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16:55:00 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, this will be SOCIG
16:55:02 <Zakim> ok, elf-pavlik; I see T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
16:55:13 <elf-pavlik> hi lehawes dahacouk o/
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16:56:23 <harry> trackbot, start meeting
16:56:23 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
16:56:35 <harry> trackboth, this is SOCIG
16:56:40 <harry> trackbot, this is SOCIG
16:56:40 <trackbot> Sorry, harry, I don't understand 'trackbot, this is SOCIG'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
16:56:45 <harry> Zakim, this is SOCIG
16:56:46 <Zakim> harry, I see T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be SOCIG".
16:56:51 <harry> Zakim, this will be SOCIG
16:56:51 <Zakim> ok, harry; I see T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
16:56:52 <elf-pavlik> harry, i just did it
16:56:55 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, code?
16:56:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 76244 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), elf-pavlik
16:57:03 <elf-pavlik> not sure why trackbot didn't get it...
16:57:19 <harry> I think the trackbot hasn't been updated yet, will check in
16:58:25 <Zakim> T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM has now started
16:58:26 <elf-pavlik> trackbot, start meeting
16:58:26 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
16:58:33 <Zakim> +Ann
16:59:08 <Zakim> +??P27
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16:59:48 <elf-pavlik> chair: AnnBassetti
16:59:58 <elf-pavlik> agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2014-12-17
17:00:29 <Zakim> + +1.978.238.aaaa
17:00:30 <elf-pavlik> would anyone like to scribe? otherwise i can do it today
17:00:58 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, aaaa is lehawes
17:00:58 <Zakim> +lehawes; got it
17:01:28 <Zakim> +??P37
17:01:33 <lehawes> Thanks, elf-pavlik!
17:02:11 <dahacouk> Zakim, +??P37 is me
17:02:11 <Zakim> sorry, dahacouk, I do not recognize a party named '+??P37'
17:02:28 <dahacouk> Zakim, ??P37 is me
17:02:28 <Zakim> +dahacouk; got it
17:02:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:02:46 <elf-pavlik> harry, do you join VoIP
17:02:48 <harry> Zakim, IPcaller is hhalpin
17:02:48 <Zakim> +hhalpin; got it
17:02:53 <EdK> EdK has joined #socialIG
17:03:11 <harry> chair: Ann
17:03:19 <elf-pavlik> scribenick: elf-pavlik
17:03:33 <Zakim> + +1.313.594.aabb
17:03:47 <harry> Zakim, aabb is EdK
17:03:47 <Zakim> +EdK; got it
17:03:47 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, aabb is EdK
17:03:47 <Zakim> sorry, elf-pavlik, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
17:04:30 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's making noise?
17:04:41 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ann (90%), lehawes (11%)
17:04:49 <elf-pavlik> TOPIC: Approval of Minutes of 03 December 2014 Teleconf
17:05:06 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti, any objections to approve minutes
17:05:22 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik: not made public
17:05:34 <harry> We should probably take a Christmas vacation
17:05:37 <lehawes> I have no objections to minutes as they stand
17:05:39 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik: let's do it once people acctually can read it
17:06:12 <elf-pavlik> harry: will check with systems team to make minutes public by default
17:06:26 <elf-pavlik> http://www.w3.org/2014/12/03-socialig-minutes.html
17:07:30 <lehawes> q?
17:07:35 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: will wait with approval minutes
17:07:44 <elf-pavlik> TOPIC: OpenSocial Announcement
17:07:56 <elf-pavlik> harry: does anyone have any questions or concerns?
17:08:19 <elf-pavlik> ... OpenSocial community feels happy with work happening in W3C Social Activity and would like to merge into this work
17:08:52 <elf-pavlik> ... various members of OpenSocial which currently don't have membership in W3C will get intor membership and then hopefully join
17:09:07 <elf-pavlik> ... we hope that more people from OpenSocial community will start participating in further work
17:09:14 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: sounds fantastic!
17:09:31 <elf-pavlik> harry: we had some 'press embargo' and couldn't announce it earlier
17:09:52 <elf-pavlik> ???: any concerns that those organizations like Jive will not join W3C?
17:10:00 <harry> s/???/EdK
17:10:05 <harry> fixed minutes:
17:10:06 <harry> http://www.w3.org/2014/12/03-socialig-minutes.html
17:10:19 <lehawes> q+
17:10:26 <elf-pavlik> harry, any more questions
17:10:29 <harry> ack lehawes
17:10:59 <elf-pavlik> lehawes: curious if this has any repercusions on relaions between google, schema.org and W3C?
17:11:15 <elf-pavlik> harry: google left OpenSocial while ago so most likely no relation here
17:11:32 <elf-pavlik> harry: we still discuss with schema.org how to get proper subission from them
17:11:56 <elf-pavlik> lehawes: i hoped that maybe google will see it as positive momentum and find more interest to support
17:12:15 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: does google see schema.org as social technology?
17:12:33 <elf-pavlik> harry: google doesn't have strong social focus, the focus with schema.org mostly on search engines
17:12:59 <elf-pavlik> harry: because of search engines lawyers need to engage in schema.org work
17:13:32 <elf-pavlik> harry: we want everything to be normative and based on other normative standards
17:13:45 <elf-pavlik> ... so as W3C social acrivity we have some deadlines here
17:13:58 <elf-pavlik> TOPIC: Coordination with WG
17:14:46 <dahacouk> Zakim, who's on the call?
17:14:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ann, elf-pavlik, lehawes, dahacouk, hhalpin, EdK
17:15:36 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik: explains further intention behind this point
17:15:42 <EdK> elf: noted he put the agenda item on coordinating the IG work to help prioritize anything the WG might need.
17:15:51 <lehawes> AnnBassetti: Looks like tantek is on our IRC channel now
17:16:23 <elf-pavlik> ???: WG without other use cases contineues with SWAT0 use case
17:16:34 <AnnBassetti> yo, tantek, any ideas what the WG particularly needs us to prioritize?
17:16:49 <elf-pavlik> ... someone pointed out that it doesn't apply to many business focused use cases
17:17:02 <harry> +1 use-cases
17:17:06 <lehawes> elf-pavlik: That was EdK (Ed Krebs) speaking
17:17:07 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: sounds like use cases are one of more important bits
17:17:21 <elf-pavlik> s/???/EdK/
17:18:22 <elf-pavlik> lehawes: i want to go back on it and have some suggestions on how to use use cases template
17:18:49 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: i'm willing to do some more work on writing use cases using our common template
17:19:03 <elf-pavlik> lehawes: no questions about value of use cases
17:19:22 <Zakim> + +1.541.410.aacc
17:19:31 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: puting it into template format forced me read the narrative in more technical way
17:19:55 <elf-pavlik> ... it also gave me good excercise and helped to notice what might need to get amplified
17:20:50 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: anything more on coordination with WG?
17:21:26 <Loqi> it'll be ok
17:22:02 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd: WG misses real world examles based on my experience from WG telecons
17:22:29 <elf-pavlik> ... IBM Connections will get presented next month
17:22:36 <dahacouk> Lloyd: do you know who was speaking from Linked Data Platform?
17:22:39 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: Adam and I stayed busy with other work
17:22:48 <elf-pavlik> dahacouk, henry story
17:23:10 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd: last WG meeting Henry Story presented LDP
17:23:28 <elf-pavlik> bblfish
17:24:07 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd: i would like to second this notion not only about use cases but to empasise something out there working in the real world
17:24:28 <lehawes> q+
17:24:35 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: besides Boeing I'm not sure what other companies do for social interaction
17:25:02 <elf-pavlik> lehawes: every company has some basic tool for finding people
17:25:42 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: Adam leads work on internal tool which let's you establish profile, share information, comment etc. pretty extensive!
17:25:47 <elf-pavlik> ... we do need to write it up
17:26:03 <harry> I think Ed is on phone!
17:26:26 <harry> so he can update us himself :)
17:26:28 <elf-pavlik> ???: EdK worked lately on releasing some tool
17:26:52 <elf-pavlik> EdK: Boeing has more maturity since they already wrote their tool
17:26:59 <AnnBassetti> Ed: Beth Lavender, at Mitre, created their own tool
17:27:14 <elf-pavlik> ... we work on tool where besides social graph connecting people, information starts connecting people
17:27:23 <lehawes> q-
17:27:56 <elf-pavlik> ... when you think about activity steams, system can post on your behalf to your stream
17:28:22 <elf-pavlik> ... purchases can automaticaly post as activities
17:28:41 <lehawes> I need to leave call now. I have added a real-world scenario from a Jive Software customer to the wiki this morning. We need to find and document more like this one (scroll down to last entry on https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF/Profile_Scenarios )
17:28:57 <elf-pavlik> thanks lehawes!
17:29:15 <lehawes> My pleasure. Take care, everyone.
17:29:15 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: are you having some sucess in getting other systems to post to your stream?
17:29:43 <Zakim> -lehawes
17:30:03 <elf-pavlik> EdK: example of incidents in data centers
17:30:30 <elf-pavlik> ... we need to pay attention to what we add to the stream from perspective of privacy
17:30:40 <elf-pavlik> ... also to look at the actual social value of doing that
17:31:20 <elf-pavlik> ... we wrote a piece of middleware to aggregate stuff like approvals
17:31:29 <elf-pavlik> ... we learn what to do and what not to do
17:31:37 <elf-pavlik> ... currently shifting from one platform to another
17:31:54 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: can you tell us more about tools you chose?
17:31:58 <elf-pavlik> EdK: to early
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17:33:40 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, aacc is Lloyd_Fassett
17:33:40 <Zakim> +Lloyd_Fassett; got it
17:33:53 <Lloyd_Fassett> thanks elf : )
17:34:06 <AnnBassetti> Ed: why put data center incidents into social activity stream?
17:34:37 <AnnBassetti> Ed: gives much more visibility than calls to Help Desk, people might start correlating problems
17:35:02 <AnnBassetti> ... will write this up as use case
17:35:36 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: one could prioritise what goes into activity streams
17:35:56 <elf-pavlik> q+
17:36:54 <elf-pavlik> EdK: pubsubhub / Ed's middleware from some workshop
17:36:58 <dahacouk> This is interesting and useful for social too I feel.
17:37:04 <AnnBassetti> Ann:  we have vision for  all kinds of actions to be reported in Activity Strean
17:37:32 <dahacouk> Look forward to seeing demo Lloyd.
17:37:37 <AnnBassetti> Ed: we did that but took out of Activity Stream because it wasn't using the social graph ..
17:37:46 <elf-pavlik> q?
17:38:04 <AnnBassetti> ... if social graph isn't being used, then no gain by feeding into Activity Stream
17:38:33 <Lloyd_Fassett> daniel: It was Ed Krebs talking about Ford's software.
17:39:04 <dahacouk> Thanks.
17:39:24 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik: investingating Linked Data Fragments for requesting subsets of datasets like someone acrivity steream
17:39:40 <elf-pavlik> dahacouk: i find it interesting for the project i work on
17:40:01 <elf-pavlik> ... sharing lifts, sharing food, building something together, pledging to a project etc.
17:40:13 <elf-pavlik> ... in the realm of doing something, achieving something, geting stuff done
17:40:26 <elf-pavlik> ... one can say that evertything becomes social then
17:40:42 <elf-pavlik> ... we look here in more dynamic way of doing business
17:41:16 <elf-pavlik> ... i will write up a *Use Case*
17:41:33 <elf-pavlik> EdK: if we think about aggregated resoults
17:42:01 <elf-pavlik> ... the content is imporant, the social part like ratings etc. improve visibility
17:42:13 <elf-pavlik> ... youtube vs. facebook - they do something different
17:42:29 <elf-pavlik> ... i understood Dan that we maybe don't need to see them as different
17:42:33 <dahacouk> Agreed
17:42:37 <elf-pavlik> ... and see it all as part of social connections
17:43:01 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: that's why we put videos stuff on the inside
17:43:10 <elf-pavlik> ... we had all the social stuff already
17:43:18 <elf-pavlik> ... it made a lot of sense to put videos in there
17:43:29 <elf-pavlik> ... we have videos hosting platform separated
17:43:40 <harry> not me!
17:43:42 <harry> I'm on mute
17:44:52 <dahacouk> I'd like to touch on Social IG call frequency and regularity in AOB if there's time.
17:44:55 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: we need to prioritize Use Cases
17:45:07 <elf-pavlik> TOPIC: Workflow improvements
17:46:21 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik: looks like we need tracker
17:46:26 <elf-pavlik> harry, ^ ?
17:46:28 <harry> I think there was confusion re Social IG and Social Web WG
17:46:43 <elf-pavlik> harry: we just wait for system team to sort it out
17:46:54 <elf-pavlik> ... more then welcomed to use tracker if IG needs one
17:47:07 <elf-pavlik> ... continous confusion about naming between SOCL and SOCIG
17:47:45 <dahacouk> Shouldn't that be SOCIW?
17:47:46 <harry> I'm on vacation from Friday->New Years
17:47:48 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik: we also need clear date of next meeting
17:47:56 <harry> so I won't attend any more meetings till after new years
17:48:03 <Lloyd_Fassett> The WG took the next 2 weeks off
17:48:07 <dahacouk> q+
17:48:12 <elf-pavlik> q-
17:49:02 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: 31st doesn't look popular
17:49:30 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: today we meet off schedule
17:49:41 <elf-pavlik> ... next meeting would land on 24th -- also not exciting
17:49:47 <elf-pavlik> ... how about Jan 7th?
17:49:49 <elf-pavlik> +1
17:49:50 <harry> Jan 7th sounds fine to me!
17:49:58 <harry> I think MarkC should be back by then.
17:49:58 <AnnBassetti> +1
17:50:08 <dahacouk> I can't make it but no big shakes.
17:50:31 <harry> yes
17:50:42 <elf-pavlik> PROPOSED: next meeting Jan 7th
17:50:42 <elf-pavlik> +1
17:50:52 <AnnBassetti> +1
17:51:19 <elf-pavlik> dahacouk: we have some kind of plan with schedule and we should carry on even if someone can't make it for particular meeting
17:51:49 <harry> biweekly meetings always have this issue
17:51:56 <elf-pavlik> ... happy not to get to often on discussions: "when do we have next meeting?"
17:53:26 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: we had the biggest problem with having the phone number we could use on alternate weeks
17:53:43 <harry> this time works weekly re TFs
17:54:06 <harry> MarkC has a SAP line as well
17:54:21 <harry> Sorry, Zakim requires pre-booking!
17:54:40 <elf-pavlik> TOPIC: Task Force Reports/Discussion
17:54:45 <Zakim> -hhalpin
17:54:57 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett: we tried couple of times to schecule Vocabulary TF meeting
17:55:05 <elf-pavlik> ... couldn't find common time with jasnell
17:55:23 <elf-pavlik> ... AS doesn't deal with any specific subjects
17:55:45 <elf-pavlik> ... we will find a way to reconciling specific terms for specific domains
17:56:10 <elf-pavlik> ... like for example AGROVOC which has URIs for Asparagus
17:56:39 <elf-pavlik> ... we could spend 15min in bi-weekly meetings
17:57:00 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: we do have Boeing vocabulary in development
17:57:09 <elf-pavlik> ... I don't think currently used
17:57:26 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett: trying to get offline conversation to happen about Vocabulary TF
17:57:33 <AnnBassetti> ... at least not for social
17:57:50 <elf-pavlik> ???: extending specific domain or linking to specific domain
17:58:58 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett: I think more in direction of link
17:59:09 <elf-pavlik> ... as long as parties agree which vocabs to use
18:00:05 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett: just wanted to give short update
18:01:03 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik: I start participating in Web Credentials CG and will take care of bridging
18:01:30 <dahacouk> Yep, I'll be fleshing those out.
18:01:37 <elf-pavlik> AnnBassetti: elf-pavlik and dahacouk planned to work on P2P marketplaces?
18:01:51 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik: we work on it with dahacouk and alrady have plan how to follow up
18:01:59 <Zakim> -EdK
18:02:01 <Zakim> -Lloyd_Fassett
18:02:05 <elf-pavlik> trackbot, end meeting
18:02:05 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
18:02:13 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, generate minutes
18:02:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
18:02:45 <Zakim> -dahacouk
18:03:03 <Zakim> -elf-pavlik
18:03:05 <Zakim> -Ann
18:03:06 <Zakim> T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM has ended
18:03:06 <Zakim> Attendees were Ann, elf-pavlik, +1.978.238.aaaa, lehawes, dahacouk, hhalpin, +1.313.594.aabb, EdK, +1.541.410.aacc, Lloyd_Fassett
18:03:43 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, make minutes public
18:03:43 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', elf-pavlik.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:04:41 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, make logs public
18:04:52 <elf-pavlik> RRSAgent, generate minutes
18:04:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-socialig-minutes.html elf-pavlik
18:07:09 <elf-pavlik> elf-pavlik has changed the topic to: Social IG: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig - Next meeting agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/2015-01-07 - logs: http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/socialig/today
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