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14:59:16 <tzviya> zakim, what's the conference code?
14:59:17 <Zakim> sorry, tzviya, I don't know what conference this is
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15:00:03 <mgylling> zakim, this is 3782
15:00:03 <Zakim> ok, mgylling; that matches DPUB_()10:00AM
15:00:16 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, aabb is Susann_Keohane
15:00:16 <Zakim> sorry, Susann_Keohane, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
15:00:27 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, who is here
15:00:27 <Zakim> Susann_Keohane, you need to end that query with '?'
15:00:42 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, who is here?
15:00:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tzviya, ??P18, Susann_Keohane
15:00:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susann_Keohane, mgylling, janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, dauwhe, Karen, liam, tmichel, ivan, rego, iank__, mihnea_____, astearns, plinss, dkaplan3, trackbot
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15:01:58 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
15:01:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Tzviya, ??P18, Susann_Keohane, Markus, George_Kerscher
15:02:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see richardschwerdtfeger, Susann_Keohane, mgylling, janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, tzviya, dauwhe, Karen, liam, tmichel, ivan, rego, iank__, mihnea_____, astearns, plinss,
15:02:01 <Zakim> ... dkaplan3, trackbot
15:02:30 <mgylling> Zakim, ??P18 is Janina
15:02:31 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:02:31 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
15:03:28 <mgylling> Agenda:
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15:03:30 <mgylling>     1.       Discuss next steps for proposed vocabulary [1]
15:03:32 <mgylling>     2.       Discuss members and logistics of proposed joint TF
15:03:33 <mgylling>     3.       Plan time line
15:03:34 <mgylling> 
15:03:35 <mgylling> [1] http://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/DPUBVocabulary
15:04:37 <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
15:05:18 <mgylling> Rick: you need to look at the current tazxonomy, for example your “title”, how does that map?
15:05:49 <mgylling> Tzviya: we have two columns, usage and definitions, which brings about a second question: are we defining this just in terms of HTML or mulitple languages?
15:06:09 <mgylling> Rick: its not just HTML, we are expanding ARIA for graphics and STEM.
15:06:17 <mgylling> s/Rick/Rich/
15:06:46 <mgylling> … parts of it may exist in the ARIA spec today, or it may be a subclass of whats in the ARIA taxonomy today
15:08:41 <mgylling> Rich: we have in ARIA semantics aside for the abstract classes are targeted at: structural elements of web pages, interactive widgets, and some additional things that we find in forms today, that were gaps in HTML
15:09:00 <mgylling> … landmarks for example would be a structural element. In SVG, we’re gonna have a whole different set of semantis
15:09:08 <mgylling> s/semantis/semantics/
15:09:40 <mgylling> … in SVG: what are the main concepts we’re gonna have in graphics, taking a look at the primitives, and what the interaction model has to be. We need to do the same with books
15:10:17 <mgylling> … a lot of these look like document structural elements is that correct?
15:10:30 <mgylling> Tzviya: some yes, and some of the come from testing as well
15:10:42 <mgylling> … wouldnt be structural per se
15:14:02 <tzviya> rich: it is important that a user will be interested in jumping to one of these elements. For example, will a user be interested in jumping to "assessment:
15:14:15 <tzviya> s/:/"
15:14:36 <janina> BRB -- Someone's at my door ...
15:15:56 <janina> I'm back ...
15:17:32 <tzviya> mgylling: what kind of document should we provide?
15:18:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/
15:19:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#roles
15:20:06 <mgylling> Rich: you can reference the basic roles, talking about removing the RDF but the concepts remain
15:20:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#roles
15:20:44 <tzviya> rich: refer to aria spec roles heavily, determine if there is a need to include calculation http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#namecalculation
15:20:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#roles_categorization
15:21:43 <tzviya> rich: follow template of abstract roles in aria spec (section 5.3)
15:22:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#heading
15:22:55 <tzviya> ...see Document structure roles
15:25:42 <tzviya> ...fairly straightforward to follow model, avoid duplication, is there something in the taxonomy already?
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15:26:37 <tzviya> ...can any of ARIA landmarks solve issues?
15:27:44 <tzviya> ...can refer to ARIA spec for implementation and host languages
15:29:03 <mgylling> Rich: and then once you have the set of roles that you need
15:29:12 <mgylling> … map them to platform a11y APIs
15:29:29 <mgylling> … each platform has the ability to pass the role string along, I think, that may be your vehicle
15:29:39 <mgylling> as long as AT vendors
15:29:50 <mgylling> … know what these are it should work
15:30:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> q?
15:32:55 <mgylling> Janina: regular editors meeting: 1st and 3d wednesday of every month 1800 UTC
15:32:59 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
15:33:37 <mgylling> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html#mapping_role
15:33:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html#mapping_role
15:38:46 <mgylling> Rich: the host language restricts usage
15:40:52 <tzviya> rich: reach out to Shane McCarron to help with authoring and ReSpec
15:42:06 <tzviya> mgylling: concerns about restrictions on host language and implied elements (e.g. toc can be on nav only or children of bibliography are bibentry)
15:42:31 <tzviya> rich: these restrictions are on host language, talk to Steve Faulkner about HTML 5
15:44:54 <mgylling> "WAI ARIA Digital Publishing role module"
15:44:58 <mgylling> or something like that
15:45:17 <mgylling> decision to write the document in PF git space
15:45:38 <tzviya> Michael Cooper will set up GitHub repo for Joint TF
15:46:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> https://github.com/w3c/aria/
15:46:19 <mgylling> ACTION: Janina to contect Michael Copper to set up Git repo for joint TF
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15:47:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> Shane McCarron
15:48:20 <mgylling> Rich: here btw are current draft comics terms in the epub type vocabulary: http://www.idpf.org/epub/vocab/structure/#h_comics
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15:54:06 <mgylling> Janina: ARIA 1.1 CR by end of next year
15:54:24 <mgylling> … modularization means all things dont have to get finished at the same time
15:54:41 <mgylling> … your module should depend on ARIA 1.1
15:55:44 <mgylling> rrsagent, make minutes
15:55:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-dpub-minutes.html mgylling
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15:56:02 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:56:05 <Zakim> -Tzviya
15:56:07 <Zakim> -Janina
15:56:28 <tzviya> rrsagent, please create the minutes
15:56:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-dpub-minutes.html tzviya
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16:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Tzviya, Susann_Keohane, Markus, George_Kerscher, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Janina
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19:54:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-dpub-minutes.html tzviya
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