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13:50:37 <phila> zakim, this will be DACG
13:50:37 <Zakim> ok, phila; I see DATA_DACG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
13:50:46 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs member
13:50:53 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:51:01 <phila> zakim, clear agenda
13:51:01 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:51:30 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/data/CG/wiki/Telecon:2014.12.17
13:51:36 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda for today is at https://www.w3.org/2013/data/CG/wiki/Telecon:2014.12.17
13:51:40 <phila> chair: Phil
13:51:45 <phila> scribe: phila
13:52:25 <phila> agenda+ Updates round the table
13:52:35 <phila> agenda+ Spatial Data WG
13:52:47 <phila> agenda+ This CG, useful or not?
13:52:57 <phila> agenda+ DNM
13:57:51 <phila> zakim, agenda?
13:57:51 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
13:57:52 <Zakim> 1. Updates round the table [from phila]
13:57:52 <Zakim> 2. Spatial Data WG [from phila]
13:57:52 <Zakim> 3. This CG, useful or not? [from phila]
13:57:52 <Zakim> 4. DNM [from phila]
14:00:36 <phila> zakim, code?
14:00:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 3224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), phila
14:00:46 <Zakim> DATA_DACG()9:00AM has now started
14:00:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:00:54 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:00:55 <Zakim> +phila; got it
14:02:52 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:02:52 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:02:54 <Zakim> +Ivan
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14:03:51 <Zakim> +Arnaud
14:04:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:05:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
14:06:06 <phila> zakim, ipcaller is Soeren
14:06:06 <Zakim> +Soeren; got it
14:06:16 <phila> zakim, ipcaller.a is Sebastian
14:06:17 <Zakim> +Sebastian; got it
14:06:44 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-w3process-minutes.html#item03
14:07:23 <Zakim> +Kerstin_Forsberg
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14:08:27 <phila> zakim, take up agendam 4
14:08:27 <Zakim> 'm\ 4' does not match any agenda item, phila
14:08:34 <phila> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:08:34 <Zakim> agendum 4. "DNM" taken up [from phila]
14:08:40 <phila> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:08:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "This CG, useful or not?" taken up [from phila]
14:09:07 <phila> Arnaud: I get info I wouldn't get any other way, so I find it useful
14:09:25 <phila> ivan: When I was Activity lead it was useful for me
14:09:45 <phila> ivan: it was not always easy to find a specific topic to discuss
14:09:56 <phila> ... now in a different situation
14:10:16 <phila> ... not really part of this any more
14:10:20 <phila> phila: Why no call in the DPub Activity
14:10:30 <phila> ivan: We only have one group (plus annotations)
14:10:37 <phila> ... not a lot to coordinate
14:10:47 <phila> ... if we get more then yes, we may want to set uo a CG
14:11:09 <phila> ... what did come up in discussion, not with the chairs, but with AC Reps (publishers etc)
14:11:23 <phila> ... they'd like to have some sort of a group that looks at the strategic level
14:11:35 <phila> ... what should be happening in the Activity
14:11:56 <phila> ... maybe Arnaud is both
14:12:16 <phila> ... it's not a Coordination Group, it's a driving committee...
14:13:13 <phila> phila: Sounds like Soeren, Sebastian  and Kerstin here
14:13:29 <phila> ivan: Hmm... in DPub it would be different kinds of people, more business focused
14:13:51 <phila> Soeren: I'm at Fraunhofer as well as at the Uni. So I think I have some impact from that area
14:14:16 <phila> ... but I think we could strengthen the stakeholder involvement. They'd be too far fron the IT dept. to come to this call
14:14:28 <phila> ... they're more users of tech than leaders
14:14:42 <phila> ivan: I agree, yes. Not easy to find those people
14:15:13 <phila> ... if I look at Cambridge Semantics - we know some people v well. But they have some more on business side of same group who we don't know
14:16:16 <phila> Sebastian: I think the call is quite good as it provides info at the right level. I'm also in this bridging people - what kind of standardisation is goinbg on wrt data
14:16:27 <phila> ... there is a group of people interested in these topics
14:16:42 <phila> ... industries, integrators etc.
14:16:50 <phila> ... MarkLogic, SWC etc.
14:17:07 <phila> ... so for me it's usefeul
14:17:32 <phila> Kerstin: For me it's an opportunity for updates on what's happening on Web of Data
14:17:41 <phila> ... trying to be connected in HCLS etc.
14:18:23 <phila> zakim, who is here?
14:18:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see phila, Ivan, Arnaud, Soeren, Sebastian, Kerstin_Forsberg
14:18:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see Kerstin, Sebastian, Soeren, Arnaud, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, tbaker, ivan, sandro
14:19:30 <phila> topic: Infrastructure, SEMANTiCS
14:20:19 <phila> Sebastian: Idea is to have a workshop at SEMANTiCS on infrastructure and standards - infrastructure helped by standards
14:20:33 <phila> ... so maybe Shapes work -> validators as part of the stack
14:21:08 <phila> ... want to explore relationship between the two. topic will evolve as we develop the workshop ideas
14:22:30 <phila> Arnaud: I see the relationship between the two but it's not my thing.
14:22:45 <phila> ... Market pressure means that standards are seen as taking too long
14:23:05 <phila> ... we have a whole group working on LD, and yet it hasn't taken over IBM and there are sceptics
14:23:21 <phila> ... so always interested in discussions around insights into the market.
14:24:05 <phila> Soeren: What I feel in Germany now - there's a great push towards Industrie 4.0; linking machiens and shop floors
14:24:16 <phila> ... is there something at W3C on this?
14:24:59 <phila> http://www.gs1.org/docs/gtin_plus/GTINOTW-ImplementationGuide-i1-prd1.pdf
14:26:57 <phila> Soeren: I was thinking about sensors on the manufacturing floor
14:27:13 <phila> ... and I think LD and W3C can help there
14:27:38 <phila> ... I think they use a lot of proprietary methods. If you have hundreds of robots from diff manufacturers/open standards you need more
14:27:49 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2014/spatial/charter
14:30:16 <phila> Topic: VREs
14:30:18 <phila> Kerstin: I've not come across that
14:31:50 <phila> More concerned with IMI. OpenPhacts, SemWeb comes up more and more
14:32:56 <phila> topic: LDP extension
14:33:13 <phila> Arnaud: LDP initially chartered to June 2014 (3 years)
14:33:27 <phila> ... we weren't done, asked for extension until now. Managed to publish main spec at PR
14:33:40 <phila> ... LDP Paging spec split out from that main spec is now at CR
14:33:46 <phila> ... so what's next?
14:33:52 <phila> ... plenty more to do
14:34:16 <phila> ... developed the wish list... => new charter? But people weren't sure what the priorities were.
14:34:47 <phila> ... multiple discussions... wait another 6 months and see what happens... lead to request for a further 6 month experiment
14:35:03 <phila> ... also asking to host a workshop to ask the community about what the priorities are
14:35:27 <phila> ... Now have LD Patch format to incrementally update data
14:36:19 <phila> phila: Do you agree with Sandro that this is really about Web Apps
14:36:31 <phila> ... Social Web WG is looking at LDP for their protocol
14:36:39 <phila> ... we might see what they would need.
14:36:46 <phila> ... we could wait and see what their requirements are
14:38:20 <Zakim> -Ivan
14:38:21 <Zakim> -Kerstin_Forsberg
14:38:21 <Zakim> -Arnaud
14:38:22 <Zakim> -Sebastian
14:38:24 <Zakim> -phila
14:38:24 <Zakim> -Soeren
14:38:25 <Zakim> DATA_DACG()9:00AM has ended
14:38:25 <Zakim> Attendees were phila, Ivan, Arnaud, Soeren, Sebastian, Kerstin_Forsberg
14:38:42 <phila> Topic: Date Next Meeting
14:39:00 <phila> Next meeting will be 4 February
14:39:07 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:39:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-dacg-minutes.html phila
14:40:05 <phila> zakim, list attendees
14:40:05 <Zakim> sorry, phila, I don't know what conference this is
14:40:17 <phila> zakim, bye
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14:40:25 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
14:40:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-dacg-minutes.html phila
14:40:57 <phila> Meeting: Data Activity Coordination Group Monthly
14:41:01 <phila> RRSAgent, generate minutes
14:41:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/17-dacg-minutes.html phila