IRC log of html-media on 2014-12-16
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
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- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 16 December 2014
- 15:56:31 [paulc]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Dec/0011.html
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- zakim, who is here?
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
- 15:57:12 [paulc]
- Ade: Will you be able to scribe today? Joe announced on Dec 2 that he would not be here today.
- 15:57:39 [paulc]
- zakim, what is the code?
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- the conference code is 63342 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
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- zakim, who is here?
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
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- trackbot, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
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- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 16 December 2014
- 15:59:27 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:02:07 [Zakim]
- HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
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- On IRC I see ddorwin, markw, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
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- trackbot, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
- 16:02:22 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
- 16:02:23 [trackbot]
- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 16 December 2014
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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- zakim, who is on the phone
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- I don't understand 'who is on the phone', paulc
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
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- On IRC I see BobLund, ddorwin, markw, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
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- present+
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- zakim, list conferences
- 16:03:59 [Zakim]
- I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM, HTML_WG()11:00AM, AB_(PROCESS)10:00AM, SW_HCLS()11:00AM, RWC_PEWG()11:00AM, INK_Team()9:00AM, IA_Team()9:00AM, XML_ET-TF()11:00AM active
- 16:04:03 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time are RWC_WebEven()11:00AM, DPUB_DIGC()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM, XML_EXI()10:00AM, WAI_UAWG(CHAIRS)10:30AM
- 16:04:28 [paulc]
- zakim,k this conference will be HTML_WG
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- I don't understand 'k this conference will be HTML_WG', paulc
- 16:04:38 [paulc]
- zakim, this conference will be HTML_WG
- 16:04:38 [Zakim]
- ok, paulc, I see HTML_WG()11:00AM already started
- 16:05:00 [paulc]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 16:05:00 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see jdsmith, [Microsoft], markw, ddorwin
- 16:05:10 [paulc]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is me
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- +paulc; got it
- 16:05:17 [paulc]
- zakim, who is here?
- 16:05:17 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see jdsmith, paulc, markw, ddorwin
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- On IRC I see BobLund, ddorwin, markw, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, jdsmith, adrianba, trackbot
- 16:06:48 [paulc]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Dec/0011.html
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- scribenick: jdsmith
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- Chair: paulc
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- Topic: Next F2F meeting
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- http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-html-wg-minutes.html#item31
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- +BobLund
- 16:09:00 [jdsmith]
- paul: group concensus was positive on holding a F2F - don't yet have a host
- 16:09:53 [markw]
- I think an f2f would be good.
- 16:10:04 [paulc]
- Bob: F2F would be good
- 16:10:07 [ddorwin]
- we should be clear about what we want to discuss.
- 16:10:28 [ddorwin]
- (i.e. specific bugs that aren't just waiting to be implemented)
- 16:10:32 [paulc]
- paulc: Let's take this up on Jan 6 when we know more about the Spring WG schedule
- 16:10:53 [jdsmith]
- paul: suggest we take this up on January 6th when we know more about Spring schedule
- 16:11:12 [paulc]
- David: We need to ensure we have bugs to discuss - not just pending bugs.
- 16:11:48 [jdsmith]
- topic: EME action items
- 16:11:52 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/open
- 16:12:13 [paulc]
- ACTION-62?
- 16:12:13 [trackbot]
- ACTION-62 -- Paul Cotton to Report back about the plan for 20944 due 2013-12-15 -- due 2013-12-10 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/62
- 16:12:21 [paulc]
- Long standing on Paul and still open
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- ACTION-71?
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- ACTION-71 -- Paul Cotton to Investigate testing status to move things forward -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/71
- 16:13:27 [paulc]
- Will close gien Cyril's feedback: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Dec/0012.html
- 16:14:25 [paulc]
- s/gien/given/
- 16:14:56 [paulc]
- Topic: Encrypted Media Extensions editor's draft
- 16:15:29 [paulc]
- David: Taking two weeks off so EME changes will be quiet
- 16:15:35 [ddorwin]
- New spec URL: https://w3c.github.io/encrypted-media/
- 16:15:54 [paulc]
- David: Last updated Dec 10
- 16:16:32 [paulc]
- David: All the format changes have been made
- 16:16:46 [paulc]
- David: Security and privacy sections have been updated
- 16:18:18 [paulc]
- David: Security and privacy changes were based on Henri S's bugs
- 16:18:46 [paulc]
- http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo is down about 7 bugs since TPAC
- 16:19:16 [paulc]
- [EME] API changes: requestMediaKeySystemAccess() and MediaKeyStatuses http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Nov/0046.html
- 16:19:37 [paulc]
- Paulc: Assuming everyone is okay on those API changes.
- 16:20:02 [paulc]
- Topic: Bug 27269 - Normatively require distinctive identifiers to be different by top-level and EME-using origin
- 16:20:14 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27269#c4
- 16:21:29 [paulc]
- Depends on: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27268
- 16:21:45 [jdsmith]
- david: comment 6 outlines how current web apps might be broken by this
- 16:22:02 [paulc]
- David: My current comment is in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27269#c6
- 16:23:30 [paulc]
- Paulc: It looks like we need Henri S to respond here
- 16:24:01 [jdsmith]
- jdsmith: I believe David's comment about device limitations is valid and commented in the bug on that
- 16:24:33 [paulc]
- David: Pending more input from Henri.
- 16:25:24 [paulc]
- Topic: Bug 27268 - Add a definition of a distinctive identifier
- 16:25:33 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27268
- 16:26:01 [paulc]
- David: Implmented Henri's suggestions and but have outstanding questions and we are awaiting answers from Henri
- 16:26:28 [ddorwin]
- s/and but/but/
- 16:26:31 [paulc]
- Topic: Bug 24874 Positive isTypeSupported() may be misleading
- 16:26:57 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24874#c8 and https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24874#c9
- 16:27:42 [paulc]
- David: Current thinking is to not worry about this bug
- 16:27:51 [jdsmith]
- david: current thinking is we probably shouldn't worry about this and better close with no spec change
- 16:29:11 [paulc]
- Paul: Let's get feedback especially from Joe on whether we can close this bug with no changes
- 16:30:34 [paulc]
- David: Will highlight his proposal: In summary, we do not have concrete use cases, apps are unlikely to take any useful alternate action, and implementations should not differentiate between the sources. Thus, I think we should close this, possibly adding a non-normative note that some implementations may not support non-MSE content with EME.
- 16:30:53 [paulc]
- Topic: Bug 26776 Diagnosing and resolving CDM errors needs a numeric systemCode (deleted with MediaKeyError)
- 16:31:12 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776
- 16:31:48 [paulc]
- Jerry: We need to decide if we are going to provide system code to record user experience results
- 16:32:15 [paulc]
- Jerry in comment 15: I think it is correct to view system codes as performance metrics for the key system. They should not trigger a client response, but be returned as telemetry to track and resolve broader issues affecting the user experience.
- 16:33:29 [paulc]
- See Anne's comments in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25896 about exception codes
- 16:34:26 [paulc]
- Jerry's comment https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776#c15
- 16:35:17 [markw]
- Sounds ok to me
- 16:35:20 [paulc]
- Mark or David?
- 16:35:34 [markw]
- Attribute is ok
- 16:35:37 [paulc]
- David: Perhaps an attribute rather than an event
- 16:36:24 [paulc]
- Jerry: I will come up to speed with making new changes and will put a proposal in the bug
- 16:36:54 [paulc]
- topic: Bug 27093 - Support for proprietary/system-specific formats in initData should be discouraged/deprecated
- 16:37:06 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27093#c10
- 16:37:16 [paulc]
- Awaiting input from Joe Steele
- 16:37:40 [paulc]
- Topic: Bug 27055 - Surfacing license to the user
- 16:37:57 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27055
- 16:38:16 [paulc]
- paulc: what are the next steps for this bug after the Dec 2 meeting with Sergey
- 16:38:31 [paulc]
- http://www.w3.org/2014/12/02-html-media-minutes.html#item01
- 16:38:43 [paulc]
- Jerry: We need to decide what to do with the request
- 16:39:17 [paulc]
- Jerry: Does not feel fruitful to me - should we be standardizing license conditions?
- 16:40:59 [paulc]
- Mark: Sergey appears to be more interested in the offline case https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27055#c20
- 16:41:12 [paulc]
- Mark: Could we at least cover the offline case?
- 16:42:38 [paulc]
- Mark: The offline case is tractable since the conditions won't change
- 16:42:55 [paulc]
- Mark: In the online case the server could give you a new answer at any time
- 16:43:26 [paulc]
- Mark: The UA and CDN interaction is not what we want to define
- 16:44:01 [paulc]
- s/CDN/CDM/
- 16:44:21 [paulc]
- Topic: requestMediaKeySystemAccess()'s supportedConfigurations parameter should not be optional
- 16:44:35 [paulc]
- https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/1
- 16:44:39 [markw]
- I think it could be an issue for UA innovation: how to make available information tot he user about offline licenses, rather than a specification thing
- 16:44:55 [markw]
- [I was referring to 27055)
- 16:45:16 [paulc]
- David: Entering this as a Gitbug issue to experiment with it as an alternative to Bugzilla
- 16:46:10 [paulc]
- David: We might consider filing new items in GitHub and finishing the current Bugzilla issues
- 16:46:24 [paulc]
- Paulc: watching the repo may get you notified
- 16:46:40 [paulc]
- paulc: how do we notify public-html-media@w3.org?
- 16:46:50 [paulc]
- David: I will look into this.
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- 16:48:00 [paulc]
- David: Introduces the issue with his summary in https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/1#issuecomment-66857143
- 16:48:20 [paulc]
- David: Proposes to simplify the API as described
- 16:49:09 [paulc]
- Topic: Cluster of six bugs
- 16:49:20 [paulc]
- See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Dec/0011.html
- 16:51:27 [paulc]
- Bug 26332 Applications should only use EME APIs on secure origins (e.g. HTTPS)
- 16:51:42 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26332
- 16:52:53 [paulc]
- David: We need to figure out how to deal with this bug for MSE
- 16:53:13 [paulc]
- David: Nothing happening in Media TF about this but at this time
- 16:54:38 [paulc]
- mark: Maybe https would be used but the actual streaming data would be done using http
- 16:54:59 [paulc]
- Mark: Waiting for browser proposal to arrive
- 16:55:18 [paulc]
- Paul: Where is the discussion happening?
- 16:55:41 [paulc]
- Mark: Some discussion on webapps-sec 2-3 weeks ago and there is background discussion going on
- 16:56:31 [paulc]
- Bug 27054 - Accessibility Concerns
- 16:56:43 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27054
- 16:57:06 [paulc]
- David: This one is in David's next batch of 5 EME bugs to process (from the TPAC discussion)
- 16:57:13 [paulc]
- Topic: Next meeting
- 16:57:29 [paulc]
- Jan 6 or Jan 13 for the next meeting?
- 16:57:56 [paulc]
- Possibilty would be do MSE on Jan 6 and then EME on Jan 13
- 16:58:19 [BobLund]
- OK
- 16:58:39 [paulc]
- Paul: I will work on the above schedule and will check with the TF about MSE topics including testing for Jan 6
- 16:58:49 [paulc]
- Topic: Any other business
- 16:58:52 [paulc]
- None.
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- rrsagent, generate the minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/16-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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- -BobLund
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- -markw
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- -jdsmith
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- -ddorwin
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- -paulc
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were jdsmith, markw, ddorwin, paulc, BobLund
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