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14:26:21 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
14:26:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:26:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:26:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:26:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:26:25 <trackbot> Date: 10 December 2014
14:26:47 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
14:26:47 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
14:26:49 <sharper> Agenda+ Symposium Status: Way-Finding Debrief [christos, vivienne, annika]
14:26:50 <sharper> Agenda+ Spin Through Note Edit Status: Metrics, Mobile, Text-C, E2R, UM, eLearning [sharper]
14:26:51 <sharper> Agenda+ Chairs Item [sharper]
14:26:53 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/open [sharper]
14:26:54 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Any Other Business      [sharper]
14:26:54 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
14:26:59 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2014/12/10-rd-agenda.rdf
14:27:02 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
14:27:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
14:27:03 <sharper> Last weeks - and previous minutes can be found at:
14:27:04 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/minutes-history>
14:27:06 <sharper> Keep on-top of scribing at:
14:27:07 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
14:27:08 <sharper> Scribing Commands:
14:27:09 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Weekly_Call_Scribing>
14:27:23 <sharper> regrets: markel, silvia, annika, peter
14:27:32 <sharper> regrets+ yehya
14:27:40 <sharper> regrets+ giogio
14:28:00 <sharper> s/giogio/giorgio
14:28:47 <klaus> klaus has joined #rd
14:29:01 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:29:01 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:29:02 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
14:29:03 <Zakim> +Shadi
14:29:10 <Zakim> +??P22
14:29:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:30:16 <luz> luz has joined #rd
14:30:32 <luz> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
14:30:32 <Zakim> +luz; got it
14:30:45 <luz> Zakim, mute me
14:30:45 <Zakim> luz should now be muted
14:32:30 <Zakim> +??P24
14:32:39 <sharper> zakim, ??P24 is sharper
14:32:39 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
14:32:50 <luz> HI!
14:33:02 <klaus> zakim, ??P22 is me
14:33:02 <Zakim> +klaus; got it
14:33:16 <Zakim> +Mark_Hakkinen
14:34:53 <luz> I could be
14:35:02 <luz> No problem
14:35:10 <luz> Zakim, next item
14:35:10 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Symposium Status: Way-Finding Debrief" taken up [from christos, vivienne, annika]
14:35:18 <shadi> scribe: luz
14:35:40 <luz> SImon: Lets wait to Christos and Vivienne in the call.
14:35:45 <luz> Zakim, next item
14:35:45 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, luz
14:35:51 <luz> Zakim, next item
14:35:51 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, luz
14:36:18 <luz> Symposium Status: Way-Finding Debrief [christos, vivienne, annika]
14:36:47 <luz> Shadi: we made progress in the text costumization (on David adn Shawn) very close to be ready.
14:37:07 <luz> Shadi: The rest is yet to be done.
14:37:52 <christos> christos has joined #rd
14:38:35 <luz> (Waiting for Christos and Vivienne)
14:39:33 <mhakkinen> mhakkinen has joined #rd
14:39:34 <luz> Shadi: thinking about new topics (Web of Things)
14:40:02 <luz> Klaus (on new topics): Web of Things, as a potential topic.
14:40:11 <luz> Shadi: eLearning
14:41:28 <luz> zakim, close item 2
14:41:28 <Zakim> agendum 2, Symposium Status: Way-Finding Debrief, closed
14:41:29 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:41:29 <Zakim> 3. Spin Through Note Edit Status: Metrics, Mobile, Text-C, E2R, UM, eLearning [from sharper]
14:42:26 <klaus> http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Catalogue_Topics
14:42:39 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Research_Catalogue
14:42:47 <sharper> Internet_of_Things - Really Web-of-Things - editors: Janina Sajka (and others from PFWG), Klaus, Shadi - slated for March 2015
14:43:11 <luz> Simon: Timing for the next topic, next march?
14:43:25 <luz> Shadi: We are looking for new symposium cochairs.
14:43:37 <mhakkinen> +q
14:43:56 <luz> Shadi: We are looking for cochairs who will help Janina.
14:44:40 <Zakim> +??P26
14:44:55 <christos> zakim, ??P26 is me
14:44:55 <Zakim> +christos; got it
14:45:52 <luz>  zakim, take up item 2
14:45:52 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Symposium Status: Way-Finding Debrief" taken up [from christos, vivienne, annika via sharper]
14:46:23 <luz> Christos: I could not connect with the symposium (technical problem). Apart from that I was very smoth.
14:47:23 <luz> Christos: The participants were fine even with the technical issues we had.
14:47:25 <luz> (Yes)
14:49:30 <luz> Shadi: Very similiar opinion about the Way-Finding symposium. Very high quility discussion. Less technical problems than in previous symposium (dialing twice and the beginning).
14:49:54 <luz> Shadi: People were very engage. We had longer sessions. And they stayed after the break.
14:50:13 <luz> Shadi: Most papers were about data gathering and data formating.
14:50:36 <luz> Shadi: Good mix of research and industry, practical development.
14:50:50 <luz> Shadi: Godo transition for the Web of Things topic.
14:51:24 <luz> Shadi: Just received the transcripts, the cochairs will comvert them in hmtl, and willd o some clean up.
14:51:37 <christos> q+
14:51:42 <luz> Shadi: As soon as possible we will have the transcriptions available.
14:52:07 <luz> Shadi: Look up timeline to hace the first drafth of the reports.
14:52:18 <sharper> ack mh
14:52:22 <sharper> ls
14:52:30 <sharper> ak ch
14:52:36 <sharper> ack ch
14:53:10 <luz> Christos: We are using a shared document for the questions/comments. Coudl we sahre it with the group of participants?
14:54:21 <christos> I have a google docs with all the process....
14:54:58 <luz> Shadi: I dont think we need the actual questions for the symposium. There are som guidelines from Simon. Maybe prepared all the questions in advance.
14:55:45 <luz> Shadi: This way will give a good set of documentation for new synposium chairs outside the group.
14:56:12 <luz> Christos: I will describe the preparation process that we follow.
14:56:33 <luz> Shadi: e.g. the fact that you had an script first for instance.
14:57:24 <luz> Simon: The technical problems and the mecanics you used to solved them, you can share it so people will be prepare.
14:57:46 <christos> nice metaphor...!!!
14:58:01 <luz> Simon: Document the technical problems, how you make things look normal while you were havin technical problems.
14:59:13 <luz> Christos: People could hear the audio...
15:00:27 <luz> Christos/SImon: It might be useful for having individual audio feed that people can use it to keep track of the event.
15:00:56 <luz> Simon: It woudl be interesting to try out a trial of this.
15:01:37 <luz> Shadi: I don't think we should change the mode of participanting, but we can add the transcripts to it.
15:02:11 <luz> Shadi: W3C is thinking about retiring Zakim, and we are evaluating new conferences systems.
15:02:22 <luz> Simon: Maybe Google handout?
15:03:46 <luz> Klaus: The symposium went smothly. We had the feeling that there was much an internal seminar.
15:04:41 <luz> Klaus:Need to show other things to show that outrearch of the symposium (nombre of participants, where are from).
15:05:25 <luz> Shadi: Some participants dont want their name published.
15:06:42 <luz> Shadi: Any thoughts to improve this Klaus, let me know please.
15:06:57 <luz> Klaus: I will let you know.
15:07:10 <luz> zakim, close item 2
15:07:10 <Zakim> agendum 2, Symposium Status: Way-Finding Debrief, closed
15:07:11 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:07:11 <Zakim> 3. Spin Through Note Edit Status: Metrics, Mobile, Text-C, E2R, UM, eLearning [from sharper]
15:07:42 <luz> Simon: The W3C will the two days during WWW.
15:07:49 <shadi> Topic: Potential Face-to-Face Meeting
15:08:00 <shadi> 21-22 May 2015
15:08:13 <luz> Shadi: 21 or 22 of May 2015. Thursday and Friday after the W4A.
15:08:26 <luz> Shadi: Part of the WWW conference, in Florence in Italy!
15:09:00 <luz> Shadi: Make a survey to know how can attend the face-to-face meeting.
15:09:06 <luz> I am trying my best to go.
15:09:17 <sharper> I will go
15:09:21 <luz> WWW is over
15:09:26 <luz> W4A is 23 Jan.
15:09:26 <christos> I am not sure...
15:10:57 <luz> Shadi: Maybe have a day and half a day more open to the public, people interested in W3C. We alreday had a session and there was interst.
15:11:08 <luz> (last year in Korea)
15:11:38 <luz> Simon: I agree it sounds a good idea to atract new people to the group.
15:11:55 <luz> zakim, take up item 4
15:11:55 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Chairs Item" taken up [from sharper]
15:12:17 <christos> Sorry guys... I have to go...
15:12:24 <christos> see you next week
15:12:42 <luz> Simon: As a chair of the RDWG, last week is my last week as chair.
15:12:45 <Zakim> -christos
15:13:14 <luz> Simon: It was great to be chair. I will join the group as often as I can.
15:13:39 <luz> Simon: This will be the end of my chairy. We are looking for a new chair for the new year.
15:14:06 <luz> Simon: Make sure for the new chair that the symposium happens.
15:14:21 <luz> Simon: I will be next week (last week) before the new year.
15:15:30 <luz> Shadi: Thanks a lot for all your work, Simon. It's been a real pleasure. I was specially hard because there was no co-chair. It was extra work on you. Very interesing work over the last three years. Interesing synposiam, Interesing research catalogue.
15:15:55 <luz> Shadi: We have a great work to keep up with the RDWG. I am glad to know you will be still a member of the group.
15:16:27 <luz> Shadi: We need to look for two new co-chairs. It is a lot of work/effort and planning ahead.
15:17:17 <luz> Shadi: I would like to propose Mark Hakkinen as a potential co-chair. He started this group, as an interest group, many years ago.
15:18:21 <luz> Shadi: I've talking with Mark and we have ben looking as his commitments. We need to identify another cochair with Mark.
15:18:47 <luz> Shadi: If you have any thoughts or reactions let me know. I am very confident it will continue to be a good group.
15:19:03 <luz> Shadi: I will have more time devoted to this group in the following years.
15:20:00 <luz> Shadi: SImon will send this news no the mailing list.
15:20:28 <luz> Thank you. See you next week.
15:20:28 <Zakim> -Mark_Hakkinen
15:20:32 <Zakim> -sharper
15:20:34 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:20:36 <Zakim> -klaus
15:20:44 <Zakim> -luz
15:20:45 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
15:20:45 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, luz, sharper, klaus, Mark_Hakkinen, christos
15:20:58 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:20:58 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:20:58 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:21:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:21:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/10-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:21:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:21:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items