IRC log of aapi on 2014-12-09
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/12/09-aapi-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs member
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 15 minutes
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- Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 09 December 2014
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- chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- regrets: Joanie_Diggs, David_Bolter, Bryan_Garaventa
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/09-aapi-minutes.html clown
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- scribenick: clown
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- WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
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- +[GVoice]
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- zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
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- zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- agenda: this
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- agenda+ ACTION-1396: (Cynthia) UIA mappings for role grid to convey beyond table
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- agenda+ ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Define the UIA mapping for aria-describedby when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies.
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- agenda+ ACTION-1311/ACTION-1444/ACTION-1445: (Joseph, Cynthia) Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists.
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- agenda+ ACTION-1254: (Joseph) Consume/cancel keydown event when keypress is consumed/cancelled.
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- agenda+ ACTION-1542: (Joanie) Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph.
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- agenda+ ACTION-1531/ISSUE-435: (David) investigate ia2 mapping of role="text".
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- agenda+ ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role.
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- agenda+ Continue with ACTIONs/ISSUEs for core-aam 1.1: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
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- agenda+ be done.
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- zakim, agenda
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- I don't understand 'agenda', clown
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- zakim, agenda?
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- I see 9 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. ACTION-1396: (Cynthia) UIA mappings for role grid to convey beyond table [from clown]
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- 2. ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) Define the UIA mapping for aria-describedby when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies. [from clown]
- 19:52:20 [Zakim]
- 3. ACTION-1311/ACTION-1444/ACTION-1445: (Joseph, Cynthia) Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists. [from clown]
- 19:52:22 [Zakim]
- 4. ACTION-1254: (Joseph) Consume/cancel keydown event when keypress is consumed/cancelled. [from clown]
- 19:52:22 [Zakim]
- 5. ACTION-1542: (Joanie) Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph. [from clown]
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- 6. ACTION-1531/ISSUE-435: (David) investigate ia2 mapping of role="text". [from clown]
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- 7. ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create a test case, if there is none, to test the rowgroup role. [from clown]
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- 8. Continue with ACTIONs/ISSUEs for core-aam 1.1: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23 [from clown]
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- 9. be done. [from clown]
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/09-aapi-minutes.html clown
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- +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- http://127.0.0.1/~richardschwerdtfeger/aria/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
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- http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
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- +[Microsoft]
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- http://w3c.github.io/aria/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
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- http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
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- http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_state-property
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- take up item 1
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- action-1396?
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- action-1396 -- Cynthia Shelly to Modify uaig to convey grid role in accessibility mappings, beyond table. (atk/atspi/ ia2 xml-role=grid, macosx: roledescription: grid, msaa/uiaexpress localizedcontroltype="grid"?) -- due 2014-11-15 -- CLOSED
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1396
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- JS: It's closed
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- CS: I just did it.
- 20:14:41 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- scribe: Rich
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- CS: action 1396 is done
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- http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-grid
- 20:15:36 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JS: It looks like you want to change the UIA entry too
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- JS: … the TR
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- MSAA+UIA ROLE_SYSTEM_TABLE
- 20:16:32 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JS: what should this be now?
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- UIA is DataGrid + seleciton pattern.
- 20:16:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- CS: IT should be the same as the UIA one
- 20:17:23 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- CS: It does fall back to table in MSAA if an legacy AT tries to access it
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- Rich: does this only Windows 10 or does it go all the way back
- 20:19:05 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- CS: it goes all the way back
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- take up next item
- 20:19:57 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- action 1396 reasigned to joseph
- 20:19:57 [trackbot]
- Error finding '1396'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
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- action-1104?
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- action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2015-01-14 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
- 20:20:14 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- CS: Action 1104 now changed to January
- 20:20:42 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- s/January/January 14/
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 3. "ACTION-1311/ACTION-1444/ACTION-1445: (Joseph, Cynthia) Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists." taken up [from clown]
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- action-1445?
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- action-1445 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate the ideal uai mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1445
- 20:22:42 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JS: on FF on IA2 if you have a table with role=“presentation” the cells are exposed as text frames. In ATK they are exposed as text. What about UIA?
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- Text
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- CS: text
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- CS: Text Pattern
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- action-1311?
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- action-1311 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Clarify that presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within tables/lists; work out in UAIG 1.1 and with implementors/vendors how to resolve this. -- due 2014-11-15 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1311
- 20:24:52 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Rich: we need to deal with mapping of text content
- 20:25:34 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JS: Alex we need to deal text api mapping like AccessibleText
- 20:26:28 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Issue: Create a section in Core to address accessible text API for text content
- 20:26:28 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-687 - Create a section in core to address accessible text api for text content. Please complete additional details at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/687/edit>.
- 20:27:24 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Rich: we need this for SVG as well
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- http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html#toc
- 20:30:10 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- Rich: A good place would be to put this in a new section under 5.6 that deals with text, test styling, caret position, etc.
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- https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/AtkText.html
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- http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible_text.html
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- http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible_text2.html
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- http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible_editable_text.html
- 20:32:47 [cyns]
- http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ff384841(v=vs.85).aspx
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- action-1444?
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- action-1444 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Update atk/at-spi2 mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. -- due 2014-11-15 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1444
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 4. "ACTION-1254: (Joseph) Consume/cancel keydown event when keypress is consumed/cancelled." taken up [from clown]
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- action-1254?
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- action-1254 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Work with WebApps working group to ensure that DOM spec states when a keydown event is consumed/cancelled that the corresponding keypress event is also cancelled. -- due 2014-12-09 -- OPEN
- 20:35:38 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1254
- 20:37:16 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JS: It works in all the browsers and I contacted webapps to see if this was acceptable.
- 20:37:16 [clown]
- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA-UAIG/1.0/tests/test-files/test22.html
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- https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/dom3events/raw-file/tip/html/DOM3-Events.html#event-type-keydown
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- If this event is canceled, the associated event types MUST NOT be dispatched, and the associated actions MUST NOT be performed.
- 20:39:54 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JS: if you go here this is one of the webapps documents. This is the keydown section of the DOM Events spec.
- 20:40:38 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JS: I included this in my email to Travis and I asked if my interpretation was correct
- 20:41:18 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JS: Leave this action open so that I can make sure that I have heard from Travis.
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 5. "ACTION-1542: (Joanie) Verify the commit for mozilla bug 1013584 and report the atk role to joseph." taken up [from clown]
- 20:41:47 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- JS: Next week is the last meeting for this year
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- Jonie not here, skip it.
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- s/Jonie/Joanie/
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- zakim, take up next item
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- agendum 6. "ACTION-1531/ISSUE-435: (David) investigate ia2 mapping of role="text"." taken up [from clown]
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- David is not here. Leave for next year.
- 20:43:28 [richardschwerdtfeger]
- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, [Microsoft]
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- RRSAGent, make log public
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/09-aapi-minutes.html richardschwerdtfeger
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- [aapi] UAI TF Meeting Agenda Tue Dec 09 2014
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- http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-describedat
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