IRC log of mobile-a11y on 2014-12-04

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Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 04 December 2014
15:54:03 [Kim]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Dec/0000.html
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chair: Kathleen_Wahlbin
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regrets+ Jonathan_Avila, Tim_Boland
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Agenda+ Q&A Note assignments / status
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Agenda+ Platform capabilities discussion https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Platform_Capabilities
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Agenda+ Section discussion: Keyboard Control on Mobile Devices https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Note:_WCAG_2.0_and_Mobile
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Agenda+ Next Steps
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WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started
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+Kim_Patch
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+Kathy_Wahlbin
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+Alan_Smith
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
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+Jan; got it
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+Detlev
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16:03:32 [Kathy]
zakim, who is on the phone
16:03:32 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Kathy
16:04:07 [Jan]
zakim, who's here?
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+Brent
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On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Alan_Smith, Jan, Detlev, Brent
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On IRC I see Brent, Detlev, Kim, AWK, Jan, jeanne, Kathy, Zakim, RRSAgent, Alan_S, MichaelC, trackbot
16:05:54 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Platform_Capabilities
16:06:13 [Kim]
Kathy: as we are thinking of things in the note it's good for us all to have an idea of what the capabilities are, what the limitations are so what were talking about this we can either add some examples or generic examples to the document. Discussion document is in the wiki – just for task force.
16:06:37 [Jan]
Scribe: Jan
16:07:22 [Jan]
Topic: Platform capabilities discussion
16:07:41 [Jan]
Kathy: Think we should talk about different device actions
16:08:18 [Jan]
Kathy: Let's start with BT keyboard
16:08:27 [Jan]
Kathy: iOS keyboard support in VO
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Kathy: Limited in non-VO
16:09:41 [Jan]
Kathy: Some TAB control to different form controls...some keyboard shortcuts
16:10:14 [Detlev]
q+
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+Jeanne
16:11:12 [Jan]
Detlev: Is it more productive to split up capabilities into different sections
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q+
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ack detlev
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Detlev: I could take care of support for visual impairment
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Detlev: Re: Zoom and text resizing
16:12:06 [Jan]
Kathy: OK great idea
16:12:26 [Jan]
Kathy: OK let's brainstorm topics
16:13:41 [Jan]
ack Jan
16:14:18 [Jan]
Kathy: As we go through looking at how wcag applies and uaag, stems from device capabilities
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Kathy: Important as we forward and talk about keyboard access
16:15:05 [Jan]
Kathy: Kim updating wiki page?
16:15:46 [Jan]
Kim: Topics?
16:15:55 [Jan]
Detlev: Built in screen reader support?
16:17:00 [Jan]
Kathy: Android, iOS, Windows Phone
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Jan: And BlackBerry OS
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Detlev: What about Windows 8.1?
16:18:20 [Jan]
Kathy: Screen reader, keyboard,
16:18:31 [Jan]
Kathy: Switch control
16:19:01 [Jan]
Jan: Assistive touch-type
16:19:10 [Jan]
Alan: Voice control
16:19:36 [Jan]
Kim: Mouse control
16:20:08 [Jan]
Jan: Zoom functions
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Detlev: Inverse colours
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Jan: Braille display support
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Kathy: Color-blindness adaptation
16:21:41 [Jan]
Kathy: Other alternative device controls (shaking, tilting)...
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Kathy: Who wants a section?
16:22:50 [Jan]
Jan: I can plug in here and there
16:23:01 [Jan]
Brent: I can put a few things in
16:23:11 [Jan]
Kim: I cabn do some speech, keyboard
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Kathy: Feel free to edit list
16:24:16 [Jan]
Topic: Section discussion: Keyboard Control on Mobile Devices
16:26:14 [Kim]
Jan: subsections – I tried to have a paragraph on why this is an issue. Are people assuming the keyboards are not important? Several WCAG sections are relevant – noted those. Sections on groups this can help.
16:26:27 [Kim]
Kathy: I like this format – I think it's easy to read
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q+
16:26:52 [Kim]
Kathy: feedback – things you think we should add, comments on the content or the way Jan has laid this out
16:27:40 [Jan]
Alan: Just wondering about keyboard functionality...
16:27:47 [Kim]
Alan: wondering about the keyboard functionality of a device in particular – other devices that emulate keyboard
16:28:03 [Kim]
Jan: that's one of the reasons you want to have it because if someone is using a device that emulates a keyboard
16:28:37 [Jan]
ack Detlev
16:28:54 [Jan]
Detlev: Main case for keyboard is easier to type more text
16:29:09 [Kim]
Detlev: the main case for keyboards is if you want to put in more text, it's slightly more efficient than using a virtual keyboard. Mobile devices replacing PCs more and more, that's an important use case.
16:29:33 [Kim]
Detlev: discussing focus
16:30:34 [Kim]
Jan: iit's possible on DOS where you could imagine an interface where you would need a focus, that's why the AA. But on mobile devices there isn't and a device out there which has an MS-DOS like interface so always important
16:30:52 [Jan]
Detlev: Fine point, no replacement on mobile
16:32:05 [Jan]
Kathy: Maybe add a little bit to 2.4.7 rationale
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Jan: Will look at adding another sentence
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-Jan
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+[IPcaller]
16:34:09 [Jan]
zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
16:34:09 [Zakim]
+Jan; got it
16:34:23 [Jan]
Topic: Providing media metadata
16:34:30 [Jan]
Kathy: OK removing it?
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All: No objection.
16:34:45 [Jan]
Scribe: Jan
16:35:51 [Jan]
Topic: Allowing users to interact using device buttons
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Jan: Think its confusing
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Kathy: Any example of a device with physical keyboard...where this isa problem
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Jan: I will add a sentence about native device buttons to keyboard accessiility
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Kathy: So will remove this sections
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All: No objection.
16:37:56 [Jan]
Topic: Including shortcuts to allow users to jump to sections of the page
16:38:02 [Jan]
Jan: Wants to remove
16:38:16 [Kathy]
zakim, who is noisy
16:38:16 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is noisy', Kathy
16:38:32 [Jan]
zakim, who is making noise?
16:38:44 [Zakim]
Jan, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Detlev (39%), Kim_Patch (9%), Jan (4%)
16:42:17 [Jan]
Detlev: Concern with numbering...might confuse with WCAG
16:42:31 [jeanne]
I agree that we don't want to be confused with WCAG. We could use letters.
16:42:32 [Jan]
Kathy: A lot of other notes have numbering
16:42:51 [Jan]
KAthy: But what is confusing here, is that some of the same numbering as WCAG
16:43:30 [Jan]
Alan: What about letters?
16:43:38 [Jan]
Jan: A.1, A.2 etc.
16:43:48 [Jan]
Alan: or maybe "m" for mobile
16:44:02 [Jan]
Kathy: OK, we will adjust
16:44:43 [Jan]
Topic: 2.6 Providing a way for users to see what page they are on
16:44:48 [Jan]
Detlev: Not mobile specific enough
16:44:59 [Jan]
All: Remove
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Topic: Including shortcuts to allow users to jump to sections of the page
16:45:13 [Jan]
All: Remove
16:46:30 [Jan]
Topic: Provide instructions for custom functions and gestures
16:46:36 [Jan]
Jan: Suggest remove
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kathy: Mixes up numbering
16:47:52 [Jan]
Jan: Let's keep it here, and put pointers up above in gestures area
16:48:43 [Jan]
Kathy: Other comments?
16:48:58 [Jan]
Alan: Will be commenting on "Provide clear indication that elements are actionable"
16:49:29 [Jan]
Kathy: OK please keep going through notes.
16:49:42 [Jan]
Kathy: Upcoming meetings ...Dec 11, 18
16:49:51 [Jan]
Kathy: Then 2 weeks off
16:49:52 [Kim]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Platform_Capabilities#Importance_of_platform_capabilities
16:51:18 [Jan]
Kathy: Thanks everyone
16:51:33 [Kathy]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
16:51:48 [Jan]
Kathy: If you have time go into the Platform Capabilities page
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-Alan_Smith
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-Detlev
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-Brent
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-Jeanne
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-Jan
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-Kathy_Wahlbin
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Jan
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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-Kim_Patch
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WAI_MATF()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Alan_Smith, Jan, Detlev, Brent, Jeanne
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Zakim, bye
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items