15:53:33 RRSAgent has joined #mobile-a11y 15:53:33 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-mobile-a11y-irc 15:53:35 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:53:35 Zakim has joined #mobile-a11y 15:53:37 Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF 15:53:37 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes 15:53:38 Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 15:53:38 Date: 04 December 2014 15:54:03 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Dec/0000.html 15:54:35 chair: Kathleen_Wahlbin 15:55:47 Kathy has joined #mobile-a11y 15:57:12 regrets+ Jonathan_Avila, Tim_Boland 15:57:31 jeanne has joined #mobile-a11y 15:57:36 Agenda+ Q&A Note assignments / status 15:57:37 Agenda+ Platform capabilities discussion https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Platform_Capabilities 15:57:39 Agenda+ Section discussion: Keyboard Control on Mobile Devices https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Note:_WCAG_2.0_and_Mobile 15:57:40 Agenda+ Next Steps 15:58:12 WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started 15:58:19 +Kim_Patch 15:58:42 +Kathy_Wahlbin 15:59:02 +Alan_Smith 16:00:09 Jan has joined #mobile-a11y 16:00:17 AWK has joined #mobile-a11y 16:00:36 Kim has joined #mobile-a11y 16:00:46 +[IPcaller] 16:01:06 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 16:01:07 +Jan; got it 16:01:13 Detlev has joined #mobile-a11y 16:02:47 +Detlev 16:02:48 Brent has joined #mobile-a11y 16:03:32 zakim, who is on the phone 16:03:32 I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Kathy 16:04:07 zakim, who's here? 16:04:08 +Brent 16:04:08 On the phone I see Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Alan_Smith, Jan, Detlev, Brent 16:04:09 On IRC I see Brent, Detlev, Kim, AWK, Jan, jeanne, Kathy, Zakim, RRSAgent, Alan_S, MichaelC, trackbot 16:05:54 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Platform_Capabilities 16:06:13 Kathy: as we are thinking of things in the note it's good for us all to have an idea of what the capabilities are, what the limitations are so what were talking about this we can either add some examples or generic examples to the document. Discussion document is in the wiki – just for task force. 16:06:37 Scribe: Jan 16:07:22 Topic: Platform capabilities discussion 16:07:41 Kathy: Think we should talk about different device actions 16:08:18 Kathy: Let's start with BT keyboard 16:08:27 Kathy: iOS keyboard support in VO 16:08:38 Kathy: Limited in non-VO 16:09:41 Kathy: Some TAB control to different form controls...some keyboard shortcuts 16:10:14 q+ 16:10:50 +Jeanne 16:11:12 Detlev: Is it more productive to split up capabilities into different sections 16:11:16 q+ 16:11:20 ack detlev 16:11:41 Detlev: I could take care of support for visual impairment 16:11:51 Detlev: Re: Zoom and text resizing 16:12:06 Kathy: OK great idea 16:12:26 Kathy: OK let's brainstorm topics 16:13:41 ack Jan 16:14:18 Kathy: As we go through looking at how wcag applies and uaag, stems from device capabilities 16:14:51 Kathy: Important as we forward and talk about keyboard access 16:15:05 Kathy: Kim updating wiki page? 16:15:46 Kim: Topics? 16:15:55 Detlev: Built in screen reader support? 16:17:00 Kathy: Android, iOS, Windows Phone 16:17:14 Jan: And BlackBerry OS 16:17:35 Detlev: What about Windows 8.1? 16:18:20 Kathy: Screen reader, keyboard, 16:18:31 Kathy: Switch control 16:19:01 Jan: Assistive touch-type 16:19:10 Alan: Voice control 16:19:36 Kim: Mouse control 16:20:08 Jan: Zoom functions 16:20:41 Detlev: Inverse colours 16:20:54 Jan: Braille display support 16:21:04 Kathy: Color-blindness adaptation 16:21:41 Kathy: Other alternative device controls (shaking, tilting)... 16:22:43 Kathy: Who wants a section? 16:22:50 Jan: I can plug in here and there 16:23:01 Brent: I can put a few things in 16:23:11 Kim: I cabn do some speech, keyboard 16:23:22 Kathy: Feel free to edit list 16:24:16 Topic: Section discussion: Keyboard Control on Mobile Devices 16:26:14 Jan: subsections – I tried to have a paragraph on why this is an issue. Are people assuming the keyboards are not important? Several WCAG sections are relevant – noted those. Sections on groups this can help. 16:26:27 Kathy: I like this format – I think it's easy to read 16:26:47 q+ 16:26:52 Kathy: feedback – things you think we should add, comments on the content or the way Jan has laid this out 16:27:40 Alan: Just wondering about keyboard functionality... 16:27:47 Alan: wondering about the keyboard functionality of a device in particular – other devices that emulate keyboard 16:28:03 Jan: that's one of the reasons you want to have it because if someone is using a device that emulates a keyboard 16:28:37 ack Detlev 16:28:54 Detlev: Main case for keyboard is easier to type more text 16:29:09 Detlev: the main case for keyboards is if you want to put in more text, it's slightly more efficient than using a virtual keyboard. Mobile devices replacing PCs more and more, that's an important use case. 16:29:33 Detlev: discussing focus 16:30:34 Jan: iit's possible on DOS where you could imagine an interface where you would need a focus, that's why the AA. But on mobile devices there isn't and a device out there which has an MS-DOS like interface so always important 16:30:52 Detlev: Fine point, no replacement on mobile 16:32:05 Kathy: Maybe add a little bit to 2.4.7 rationale 16:32:53 Jan: Will look at adding another sentence 16:32:55 -Jan 16:33:21 Jan has joined #mobile-a11y 16:33:49 +[IPcaller] 16:34:09 zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan 16:34:09 +Jan; got it 16:34:23 Topic: Providing media metadata 16:34:30 Kathy: OK removing it? 16:34:36 All: No objection. 16:34:45 Scribe: Jan 16:35:51 Topic: Allowing users to interact using device buttons 16:36:05 Jan: Think its confusing 16:36:25 Kathy: Any example of a device with physical keyboard...where this isa problem 16:37:27 Jan: I will add a sentence about native device buttons to keyboard accessiility 16:37:34 Kathy: So will remove this sections 16:37:48 All: No objection. 16:37:56 Topic: Including shortcuts to allow users to jump to sections of the page 16:38:02 Jan: Wants to remove 16:38:16 zakim, who is noisy 16:38:16 I don't understand 'who is noisy', Kathy 16:38:32 zakim, who is making noise? 16:38:44 Jan, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Detlev (39%), Kim_Patch (9%), Jan (4%) 16:42:17 Detlev: Concern with numbering...might confuse with WCAG 16:42:31 I agree that we don't want to be confused with WCAG. We could use letters. 16:42:32 Kathy: A lot of other notes have numbering 16:42:51 KAthy: But what is confusing here, is that some of the same numbering as WCAG 16:43:30 Alan: What about letters? 16:43:38 Jan: A.1, A.2 etc. 16:43:48 Alan: or maybe "m" for mobile 16:44:02 Kathy: OK, we will adjust 16:44:43 Topic: 2.6 Providing a way for users to see what page they are on 16:44:48 Detlev: Not mobile specific enough 16:44:59 All: Remove 16:45:11 Topic: Including shortcuts to allow users to jump to sections of the page 16:45:13 All: Remove 16:46:30 Topic: Provide instructions for custom functions and gestures 16:46:36 Jan: Suggest remove 16:46:46 kathy: Mixes up numbering 16:47:52 Jan: Let's keep it here, and put pointers up above in gestures area 16:48:43 Kathy: Other comments? 16:48:58 Alan: Will be commenting on "Provide clear indication that elements are actionable" 16:49:29 Kathy: OK please keep going through notes. 16:49:42 Kathy: Upcoming meetings ...Dec 11, 18 16:49:51 Kathy: Then 2 weeks off 16:49:52 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Platform_Capabilities#Importance_of_platform_capabilities 16:51:18 Kathy: Thanks everyone 16:51:33 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page 16:51:48 Kathy: If you have time go into the Platform Capabilities page 16:51:59 -Alan_Smith 16:52:02 -Detlev 16:52:03 -Brent 16:52:04 -Jeanne 16:52:05 -Jan 16:52:10 -Kathy_Wahlbin 16:52:16 RRSAgent, make minutes 16:52:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/04-mobile-a11y-minutes.html Jan 16:52:22 RRSAgent, set logs public 16:52:22 -Kim_Patch 16:52:23 WAI_MATF()11:00AM has ended 16:52:23 Attendees were Kim_Patch, Kathy_Wahlbin, Alan_Smith, Jan, Detlev, Brent, Jeanne 16:52:28 Zakim, bye 16:52:28 Zakim has left #mobile-a11y 16:52:33 RRSAgent, bye 16:52:33 I see no action items