IRC log of pointerevents on 2014-12-02

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Meeting: Pointer Events Working Group Voice Conference
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0087.html
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zakim, who's here?
16:00:45 [Zakim]
sorry, ArtB, I don't know what conference this is
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, jrossi2, scott_gonzalez, ArtB, shepazu, rbyers, mbrubeck_, slightlyoff, sangwhan_, trackbot
16:00:53 [ArtB]
Zakim, this will be RWC_PEWG
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ok, ArtB, I see RWC_PEWG()11:00AM already started
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Matt_Brubeck, Art_Barstow, Scott_Gonzalez, [Microsoft], [Microsoft.a]
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, jrossi2, scott_gonzalez, ArtB, shepazu, rbyers, mbrubeck_, slightlyoff, sangwhan_, trackbot
16:01:14 [ArtB]
RRSAgent, make log public
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+Doug_Schepers
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Present: Art_Barstow, Matt_Brubeck, Scott_González, Doug_Schepers
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Regrets: Rick_Byers, Patrick_Lauke, Sangwhan_Moon, Olli_Pettay
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Present+ Asir_Vedamuthu, Jacob_Rossi
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Topic: Tweak and agree on agenda
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AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0087.html. Any change requests?
16:03:55 [jrossi2]
Zakim, Microsoft.a is jrossi
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+jrossi; got it
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[ None ]
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Topic: Testing and implementation report status
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AB: I would like to get the status of the testing and Implementation Report
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AV: the test suite is up to date
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… includes all the findings from last 2 weeks
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… something in the test infra is not in sync
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AB: is the sync problem the one you mentioned to PLH?
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AV: yes; we need an update from GH to w3c-test.org
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… my conclusion is it is still out of date
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… so this means we need to use the GH version during the testing
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AB: so you have done the testing using GH version?
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AV: yes
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… Matt will file report for Mozilla
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… Jacob will file report for IE
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AB: thanks for the update
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AB: eventually, the Implementation Report will be in https://github.com/w3c/test-results/tree/gh-pages/pointerevents
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… after Matt and Jacob upload their data, me or Doug or PLH can then generate the reports
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… can you Doug please ask PLH about an ETA for the sync fix
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DS: will do
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AB: my recommendation is for Matt and Jacob to upload their data now
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… Jacob, Matt, can you do that?
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MB: yes; we found a few bugs and fixed them; we are doing our last round of testing now
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… and if all goes well, I can upload our results tomorrow
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JR: I think we can submit IE data now
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… we ran our tests on IE fork of w-p-t
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… but that should now be identical to w3c-test.org
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… so we are good to go
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AB: can you upload the results today Jacob?
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JR: yes
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AB: anything else on testing?
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… thanks very much Asir, Jacob and Matt!
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… I really appreciate your work, especially knowing there are a ton of manual tests!
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Topic: LCWD Comment Processing
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AB: currently, the only LC commenter is Josh Soref and he submitted 42 comments http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0076.html.
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AB: yesterday, I checked in changes for 26 of his comments, all editorial http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0089.html.
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AB: Jacob agreed to reply to the other 16 comments and my expectation is he will act on those today.
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JR: yes, that's right
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… a few we might we want to talk about
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… #12, is about uniqueness of the pointerID
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… think this is mostly clear but Josh mentions some scenarios
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… will add something like "… in the document …" to address this
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… the current impls work that way
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… #31 "what happens if …"
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… asking for guidance
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… similar to MQs and hover
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… I intend to add a Note
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… will look at MQs for text to borrow or create my own text
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oki
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+Philippe
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AB: any other comments that are work discussing
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DS: I think most of Josh's comments were editorial in nature and I agree with Jacob's proposed way of handling them
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AB: anyone else
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[ None ]
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AB: will you reply to Josh today?
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JR: yes; I'll commit changes today
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… just need to do the push
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AB: re comment tracking, I propose just creating a Wiki document and if that's agreeable, I'll take the lead to create it and maintain it.
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… I'm also happy to defer to any way you recommend
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JR: a wiki is fine
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… what about revision history for these comments?
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AB: just one list item for Josh's comments is OK
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Topic: Github sync issue
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PLH: do you check Asir?
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AV: I have no way of checking except to run a test
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… no timestamp, for instance
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-Matt_Brubeck
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PLH: I was told it was fixed late yesterday evening
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… if there are any probs, let me know
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… I think you are OK now
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AV: ok; thanks Philippe!
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PLH: I can double-check if needed
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AV: thanks; all clear now
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Topic: Pointer Events Normative References
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AB: I sent out http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014OctDec/0092.html today
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PLH: so D3E and DOM4
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… I recall discussing this before
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… and I think we are OK
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JR: yes
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PLH: MouseEvents and MouseEventInit are in D3E
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… for Director, can say MouseEvents are in D3E but they were defined in D2Events
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… re the constructor, we need a test
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JR: yes, we have that test in the test suite
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… IE and FF both pass it
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PLH: in that case, you are fine
16:27:35 [jrossi]
https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/blob/master/pointerevents/pointerevent_constructor.html
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AB: sounds like we are in OK shape for the refs
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PLH: yes, should be OK
16:28:01 [jrossi]
run it here: http://w3c-test.org/pointerevents/pointerevent_constructor.html
16:28:47 [plh]
http://w3c.github.io/beacon/#terminology