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11:58:35 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
11:58:44 <phila> zakim, room for 10?
11:58:46 <Zakim> ok, phila; conference Team_(dwbp)11:58Z scheduled with code 3927 (DWBP) for 60 minutes until 1258Z
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12:08:04 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141201
12:09:37 <newton> Here is the link: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Issues_vs_BP_Document
12:10:16 <yaso> Scribe: annette_g
12:10:44 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73
12:11:01 <phila> issue-73?
12:11:01 <trackbot> issue-73 -- What exactly is the audience for the bp doc? -- open
12:11:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/73
12:11:59 <annette_g> newton: Did we have a conference about that issue?
12:12:06 <annette_g> Yaso: Not sure
12:12:52 <laufer> yes
12:12:54 <newton> Are you hearing us?
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12:13:04 <phila> laufer:
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12:13:31 <annette_g> Issue 74: Laufer inaudible
12:13:40 <phila> issue-74?
12:13:41 <trackbot> issue-74 -- Is it in scope to include mention of policy framework etc. as part of the non-normative discussion/editorialisation of the bp doc -- open
12:13:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/74
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12:14:07 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/82
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12:14:15 <phila> isseu-82?
12:14:20 <phila> issue-82?
12:14:20 <trackbot> issue-82 -- What is the definition of a dataset? -- open
12:14:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/82
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12:15:05 <Zakim> laufer was not muted, laufer
12:15:16 <laufer> I will try writing when necessary
12:15:19 <annette_g> Laufer: garbled connection
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12:16:26 <annette_g> phila:  asks will this help to finish the FPWD of the BP document
12:17:25 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: wonders if people are still worried about open issues or something else.
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12:17:34 <phila> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices
12:18:11 <annette_g> phila: are you saying that you want people to do some writing? Is that the holdup?
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12:19:11 <laufer> q+
12:19:17 <annette_g> phila: Some writing tasks are assigned to particular people, but they haven't moved forward. Is it a matter of time?
12:19:38 <phila> And there's some content at https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Guidance_on_the_Provision_of_Metadata
12:19:39 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page
12:20:08 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: we have a lot of information already
12:20:19 <laufer> I will write my comments instead talking
12:20:19 <annette_g> phila: but what is the holdup?
12:20:31 <laufer> for me are both, phil
12:20:57 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: working more on the document itself than in the section
12:21:10 <annette_g> phila: is there any content on github?
12:21:24 <phila> GitHub skeleton http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html
12:22:02 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: no. we have info on the wiki, e.g. description of data formats. Editors are working on the first sections, but it's not on github yet
12:22:59 <annette_g> phila: If we're aiming for Dec. 18, the group has to resolve to publish on Dec.12. You've done a lot of work so far, what can we do to help you get it to the stage where everyone can approve it?
12:24:03 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: normative sections we can do. we still need to polish them. Data life cycle bit is in pretty good shape.
12:24:19 <phila> s/normative/non-normative/
12:24:20 <annette_g> we are working to have a section by the end of the week
12:24:49 <annette_g> people still have to write
12:25:26 <annette_g> phila: the non-norrmative intro is really important. we should probably have at least a few normative best practices
12:25:47 <annette_g> a FPWD without some normative content would look a bit weak
12:25:51 <cgueret> +1 to get some normative content before Dec 12
12:25:59 <annette_g> yaso: not sure what best strategy is
12:26:18 <annette_g> we have 7 proposed sections now, only 2 have something
12:26:28 <annette_g> thanks, phila
12:27:07 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I can try to write some more normative stuff
12:27:19 <annette_g> …not sure if we have time for the other stuff
12:27:38 <annette_g> phila: there are lots of people who can help you
12:28:02 <annette_g> …help from others can be spread across the doc
12:28:43 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: would be nice to have something about metadata
12:28:57 <annette_g> … Mackx sent a message with some good ideas last week
12:29:27 <annette_g> I'm doing three periods
12:29:37 <annette_g> not sure what you're suggesting different
12:30:11 <cgueret> humm, they show up as one character here...
12:30:54 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: we should have a deadline
12:31:38 <annette_g> … next Thursday?
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12:32:06 <annette_g> phila: it's important that everyone has time to review
12:32:55 <cgueret> +q to ask if edit priority should be given to the Wiki or github for this deadline
12:33:21 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: this Friday for initial review, revisions early next week
12:33:35 <newton> q?
12:33:36 <yaso> q?
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12:33:48 <laufer> May I "talk"
12:33:50 <yaso> Ack Laufer
12:33:54 <laufer> I will write
12:34:12 <AdrianoC> Hi, good morning!
12:34:15 <laufer> I still have doubts about what exactly could be a normative thing or a kind of suggestion.
12:34:29 <laufer> We could, for example, assert that a publisher MUST provide License metadata, MAY provide Data Quality metadata, MAY provide Provenance metadata.
12:34:47 <laufer> We can suggest, or provide examples, about Licenses types, etc.
12:35:00 <laufer> Another issue is about how to provide these metadata, how to catalog these information. I think we are agreeing that should be information that DCAT defines.
12:35:19 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
12:35:37 <laufer> Go on
12:35:50 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I didn't understand
12:36:00 <laufer> I think that a normative thing is a storn thing
12:36:03 <laufer> strong
12:36:12 <newton> s/storn/strong
12:36:34 <annette_g> phila: "must" has a specific meaning, "may" has another, "should" has another
12:36:36 <BernadetteLoscio> we have some examples about BP: http://www.w3.org/TR/xmldsig-bestpractices/
12:37:03 <annette_g> …we're going to talk about the intentions
12:37:18 <yaso> q?
12:37:23 <annette_g> …then provide RFC 2219 "must" etc
12:37:24 <cgueret> +1
12:37:26 <laufer> Bernadette, we have different best practices documents
12:37:35 <yaso> ack cgueret
12:37:35 <Zakim> cgueret, you wanted to ask if edit priority should be given to the Wiki or github for this deadline
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12:38:01 <annette_g> cgueret: considering short time remaining, should we contribute on github or wiki?
12:38:04 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
12:38:27 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: write directly on github if you're comfortable with it, use the wiki if you're more comfortable on that
12:38:35 <yaso> q?
12:38:51 <phila> If you write in the wiki, someone still has to transfer it to GitHub. So you save someone the task of transferring if you do it straight on GH
12:39:22 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I understand Laufer's doubt, but we need to just try to write first so that we have something concrete to discuss
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12:40:04 <annette_g> …we should start really doing things, so I propose you just try to write
12:40:40 <laufer> I agree. I am only exposing what are the doubts about the "granularity" of our recommendations, or suggestions...
12:40:53 <annette_g> … when we writie a BP about metadata, try to give at least one or two examples of what would be a best practice
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12:41:01 <yaso> q?
12:41:05 <phila> +1 to BernadetteLoscio
12:42:03 <annette_g> yaso: do we want to continue working for 2 hours, or work offline?
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12:42:25 <laufer> I think that there is a strong polarization in the cataloging view of the process
12:42:36 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: not sure
12:42:56 <annette_g> …do we have something to discuss now?
12:43:06 <annette_g> …data versioning is going on by mail
12:43:11 <yaso> Should we continue working now, or should we work offline, with people working with the editors if they have any question or something like this
12:44:10 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: for the next year, we should have meetings that are more focused
12:44:21 <yaso> q?
12:44:29 <annette_g> …for today, what do people want to discuss?
12:44:38 <laufer> q+
12:44:50 <yaso> ack laufer
12:45:01 <laufer> I think that we need a discussion abou the phases
12:45:02 <annette_g> laufer: do you want to speak or write?
12:45:15 <laufer> the lifecycle
12:45:42 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: will send a message to the group, but it's important that everyone keep in mind that we have a deadline
12:46:08 <laufer> so, how the phase of publishing apeears in aour documents, as metadata that are provided during the catalog phase
12:46:13 <annette_g> it's a huge work and we have a big group, so everyone needs to collaborate
12:46:39 <annette_g> everyone should feel free to write
12:47:11 <annette_g> q+
12:47:20 <annette_g> yaso: thank you
12:47:43 <annette_g> …sorry, Laufer
12:47:49 <phila> q?
12:47:57 <laufer> I thinks is very important to wite abou the data lifecycle
12:48:03 <laufer> think
12:48:22 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: a few months ago I did some work on the lifecycle
12:49:02 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_on_the_Web_Life_Cycle
12:49:14 <laufer> because we have different user´s roles that will be responsible for each phase
12:49:40 <phila> I'll read through that on the plane later today :-)
12:49:41 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: on Thursday we'll have something more concrete to discuss, different roles, publishers and consumers
12:49:49 <yaso> q?
12:50:10 <laufer> I agree with your idea of the lifecycle
12:50:17 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: I'm now improving the definitions
12:50:23 <yaso> Ack annette_g
12:50:43 <yaso> q?
12:51:26 <yaso> q?
12:51:28 <phila> annette_g: It would be helpful if the editors could indicate the parts of the doc that they are particularly looking for help with
12:51:32 <newton> annette_g https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Main_Page#Best_Practices
12:51:33 <annette_g> annette_g: is there a way editors can indicate parts they want help with?
12:51:37 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Mabe you can help us with...
12:51:43 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Table_of_Contents_of_Data_on_the_Web_Best_Practices
12:52:33 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: and we need contributions in red. But on the main page we already have some contributors
12:53:08 <phila> ... you can help in one of the normative sections. For e.g. if you want to talk about metadata, or you can help in the non-normative section
12:53:12 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: if you want to work on normative, you can work on metadata.
12:53:24 <phila> ... so it depends where you feel most comfortable contributing
12:53:54 <annette_g> … you can work with Laufer and give another point of view
12:54:36 <annette_g> … e.g., what would be the best way to describe the best way to use metadata
12:54:40 <annette_g> annette: okay
12:54:58 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio: you can also review non-normative sections
12:55:07 <yaso> q?
12:55:16 <annette_g> annette_g: great, thank you
12:55:30 <annette_g> yaso: I propose we finish the meeting now, work offline
12:55:43 <annette_g> …editors can appoint someone to work with them
12:55:53 <cgueret> +1
12:55:58 <annette_g> proposed: that we finish the meeting now
12:56:06 <laufer> +1
12:56:11 <newton> +1
12:56:13 <annette_g> PROPOSED: that we finish the meeting now
12:56:19 <annette_g> +1
12:56:22 <cgueret> +1
12:56:26 <laufer> +1
12:56:42 <deirdrelee> +1
12:57:03 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
12:57:11 <cgueret> let's go write! ^_^
12:57:11 <annette_g> RESOLVED: that we finish the meeting now
12:57:12 <laufer> bye, sorry about my connection problems
12:57:22 <yaso> Bye!
12:57:27 <cgueret> bye
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12:57:37 <annette_g> phila: thanks annette for scribing
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12:57:40 <annette_g> bye!
12:57:44 <newton> bye!
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12:57:46 <Zakim> Team_(dwbp)11:58Z has ended
12:57:46 <Zakim> Attendees were deirdrelee, annette_g, cgueret, phila, Yaso, laufer, BernadetteLoscio
12:57:53 <phila> zakim, list participants
12:57:53 <Zakim> sorry, phila, I don't know what conference this is
12:58:05 <phila> zakim, bye
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12:58:21 <annette_g> rrsagent, generate minutes
12:58:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/01-dwbp-minutes.html annette_g
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13:03:44 <annette_g> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices half-day call
13:04:00 <annette_g> Chair: Yaso
13:09:59 <annette_g> rrsagent, generate minutes
13:09:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/12/01-dwbp-minutes.html annette_g
13:13:30 <annette_g> RRSAgent, make chat logs public
13:13:30 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make chat logs public', annette_g.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:13:53 <annette_g> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:14:35 <annette_g> anybody know how to correct the title after the fact?
13:15:57 <annette_g> chair: yaso
13:16:13 <annette_g> meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices half-day call
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