13:55:16 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 13:55:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/11/28-dwbp-irc 13:55:18 RRSAgent, make logs 351 13:55:18 Zakim has joined #dwbp 13:55:20 Zakim, this will be DWBP 13:55:20 ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes 13:55:21 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 13:55:21 Date: 28 November 2014 13:55:53 zakim, this will be dwbp 13:55:53 ok, yaso; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes 13:58:32 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started 13:58:39 +Yaso 13:58:55 Zakim, yaso has Caroline_, newton 13:58:55 +Caroline_, newton; got it 13:59:02 Zakim, yaso has Caroline_ and newton 13:59:02 Caroline_ was already listed in Yaso, newton 13:59:03 newton was already listed in Yaso, newton 14:00:37 Hello! 14:02:02 MTCarrasco has joined #dwbp 14:02:11 +??P1 14:02:36 AdrianoC has joined #dwbp 14:02:39 ??P1 is MTCarrasco 14:02:50 Zakim, ??P1 is MTCarrasco 14:02:50 +MTCarrasco; got it 14:03:00 gatemezi has joined #dwbp 14:03:33 +??P2 14:03:53 Zakim, ??P2 is AdrianoC 14:03:53 +AdrianoC; got it 14:04:09 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 14:04:48 Hello Everybody! 14:04:52 Hi! 14:05:35 Ok! 14:06:07 Any volunteer to scribe? 14:06:31 Zakim, pick a victim 14:06:31 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose newton 14:06:38 Chair: yaso 14:06:49 jerdeb has joined #DWBP 14:06:55 scribe: Caroline_ 14:07:11 nathalia has joined #dwbp 14:07:19 Zakim, yaso has Nathalia 14:07:19 +Nathalia; got it 14:07:48 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-11-21 14:08:14 +[IPcaller] 14:08:15 APPROVE: last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-11-21 14:08:25 zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio 14:08:25 +BernadetteLoscio; got it 14:08:52 Zakim, who is talking? 14:08:56 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 14:08:56 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 14:08:56 Zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 14:08:57 BernadetteLoscio was already muted, yaso 14:08:57 +0 .I was not present, so nothing to say ... 14:09:03 Caroline_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yaso (33%), MTCarrasco (14%), BernadetteLoscio (25%) 14:09:08 ok~ 14:09:09 +1 14:09:13 0 14:09:15 PROPOSED: approve last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-11-21 14:09:19 +1 14:09:19 +1 14:09:20 +1 14:09:23 +1 14:09:35 +annette_g 14:09:43 Zakim: who is speaking? 14:10:27 APPROVED: approve last week's meeting http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-11-21 14:11:00 yaso: there was a discussion on the deadlines of the BP document 14:11:23 not just the editors, but also some contributors :) 14:11:38 annette_g has joined #dwbp 14:11:40 ... the chairs agreed that the fisrt draft should be released before Christmans 14:11:56 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/114 14:11:57 ... let's talk about the actions 14:12:25 ... the first one to talk about is Action 114, which Adriano will talk about 14:12:41 AdrianoC: we have discussed aobut data enrichment process 14:12:50 ... I have talked with BernadetteLoscio during TPAC 14:13:09 ... we will describe a new use case aobut the Observatory 14:13:37 ... the idea is that publishing this new use case we will have content for data enrichment requirement 14:13:38 + +33.4.93.00.aaaa 14:14:12 ... we will be able to publish the new requirement on on the BP document 14:14:28 yaso: do you have a data to publish this use case 14:14:36 +??P6 14:14:36 AdrianoC: we will publish it next week 14:14:46 Zakim, +33.4.93.00.aaaa is me 14:14:46 +gatemezi; got it 14:14:47 RiccardoAlbertoni has joined #DWBP 14:14:47 ... and the new document about data enrichment 14:15:03 jerdeb_ has joined #DWBP 14:15:09 -??P6 14:15:30 + +39.349.096.aabb 14:15:49 q? 14:15:57 yaso: can you explain more about this use case? 14:16:19 AdrianoC: it is about an app on the Observatory of the University 14:16:25 zakim, +39.349.096.aabb is RiccardoAlbertoni 14:16:25 +RiccardoAlbertoni; got it 14:16:28 q+ 14:16:35 Sorry, If I am in late .. 14:16:37 ... the app is about data enrichment tests that we are providing 14:16:38 +??P7 14:16:48 No problem, Riccardo :-) 14:16:49 Zakim, ??P7 is me 14:16:49 +jerdeb_; got it 14:16:50 q? 14:16:57 I think it should be in the 2nd round 14:17:04 ... second round 14:17:21 yaso: is it about data on social network? 14:17:23 q+ 14:17:34 ... data enrichment on data network? 14:17:48 AdrianoC: the use case is the aplication on the Web Observatory 14:17:52 OK thanks 14:18:03 ... it can be used for a desease, sports, etc 14:18:15 q+ to ask for a small description of Adriano UC on the wiki 14:18:15 ... the Web Observatory will demand data enrichment test 14:18:16 Ack Annete-g 14:18:23 ack Annete_g 14:18:41 annette_g: What is meant by data enrichment? 14:19:13 AdrianoC: the idea of emphasing data enrichment is 14:19:27 Data enrichment is the process of reconciling different datasets in a common model, such as RDF 14:19:38 ... since there are many data published, it is needed to process and apply specific tests to enrich the data 14:19:45 ... e.g. data segmentation 14:20:00 q- 14:20:04 ... the idea is to enrich this data to provide more value to the user app 14:20:15 q? 14:20:33 ack annete_g 14:20:52 ... one more point about data enrichment is that we try to define different tests 14:21:04 ... there is the raw data that we collect from the web 14:21:07 q- 14:21:14 q- 14:21:19 MakxDekkers has joined #dwbp 14:21:49 ... there are different tests that can be performed to add value to the data 14:22:01 MakxDekkers has joined #dwbp 14:22:05 Ack gatemezi 14:22:05 Zakim, unmute me 14:22:06 gatemezi was not muted, gatemezi 14:22:19 q? 14:23:04 q+ 14:23:04 gatemezi: AdrianoC, could you put the use case detailed on the wiki 14:23:11 AdrianoC: yes! 14:23:35 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 14:23:35 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 14:23:39 ack BernadetteLoscio 14:23:53 +[IPcaller] 14:24:04 BernadetteLoscio: I want to clarify that they will put the use case on data enrichment and that may be used on the BP 14:24:13 zakim, ipcaller is me 14:24:13 +MakxDekkers; got it 14:24:20 ... if it is okay by the group, we may add it on the BP document 14:24:21 q? 14:24:22 Ok, perfect! 14:24:32 Zakim, who is here ? 14:24:32 On the phone I see Yaso, MTCarrasco, AdrianoC, BernadetteLoscio, annette_g, gatemezi, RiccardoAlbertoni, jerdeb_, MakxDekkers 14:24:35 Yaso has Nathalia 14:24:35 On IRC I see MakxDekkers, jerdeb_, RiccardoAlbertoni, annette_g, nathalia, BernadetteLoscio, gatemezi, AdrianoC, MTCarrasco, Zakim, RRSAgent, Caroline_, yaso, newton, rhiaro, 14:24:35 ... hadleybeeman, sandro, trackbot 14:24:56 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 14:24:56 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 14:25:06 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/125 14:25:16 +1 to use the data enrichment use case on the BP document 14:25:38 newton: the action 125 is about the dataset versioning 14:25:52 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 14:25:52 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 14:26:01 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/69 14:26:02 ... I am not sure if we should include it on the BP document. Maybe BernadetteLoscio could hlep me to clarify that 14:26:08 q+ to ask what is the difference with issue 69 14:26:13 I agree with Bernadette: +1 (data enrichment) 14:26:18 s/125s/69 14:26:24 q+ 14:26:31 q- 14:26:54 BernadetteLoscio: we had some discussions by email about dataset versioning 14:27:00 CarlosIgleias has joined #dwbp 14:27:17 ... we were discussing about having different versions of datasets 14:27:31 ... how can we have different verions of datasets 14:27:44 s/verions/versions 14:27:51 ... also the question about metadata to discuss versions 14:27:58 +1 for including versioning 14:28:12 +1 14:28:13 +1 14:28:16 ... I think we should have both to describe versioning medata and indetify it 14:28:19 +1 14:28:20 +1 to BernadetteLoscio 14:28:33 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 14:28:33 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 14:28:47 newton: Flavio and I we will write it 14:28:47 noy yet 14:28:55 q? 14:28:56 q+ 14:28:59 Ack MTCarrasco 14:29:00 ... the draft about versioning considering the new use cases 14:29:17 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/69 14:29:44 MTCarrasco: version is one of metadata resource 14:29:45 q+ 14:29:49 ack BernadetteLoscio 14:29:54 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 14:29:54 BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio 14:30:22 BernadetteLoscio: we agree that we should talk about ite 14:30:26 resource version covers more: db - table - record - field 14:30:37 s/it/item 14:30:45 BernadetteLoscio: you have ontology and the content of ontolongy 14:31:15 ... the identifier of the content shouldn't change if the version change, but the identifier of the collect should change 14:31:24 ... I think is too soon to close this issue 14:31:28 q+ 14:31:33 Ack gatemezi 14:31:33 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 14:31:34 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 14:31:52 +1 to gatemezi 14:31:57 MTCarrasco: the point is that we agree to add versioning on the BP document 14:32:01 +1 14:32:12 +1 to gatemezi 14:32:12 q? 14:32:16 q+ 14:32:17 +1 14:32:36 yaso: we may agree that we want to talk about versioning on the BP document 14:32:44 q+ to ask if do we need to put content related to Resource Versioning on Data Versioning section or it should be added to Data Identification section 14:32:45 q? 14:32:50 MTCarrasco: we should not put label on it 14:32:50 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 14:32:50 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 14:33:00 ack BernadetteLoscio 14:33:31 BernadetteLoscio: the issue is about to include versioning on the document, so maybe we can close it and open another one on how to descibe it 14:33:53 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/69 14:33:53 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 14:33:53 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 14:34:01 PROPOSED: close the issue http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/69 14:34:04 +1 14:34:05 q? 14:34:07 +1 14:34:08 +1 14:34:08 +1 14:34:11 +1 14:34:12 +1 14:34:13 +1 14:34:14 +1 14:34:17 +1 14:34:24 RESOLVED: close the issue http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/69 14:34:27 we agree that we want to speak about data versioning 14:34:28 +1 14:34:30 +1 14:34:39 RESOLVED: close the issue http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/69 14:34:43 -RiccardoAlbertoni 14:34:59 q? 14:35:00 gatemezi: the issue 125 is similar 14:35:15 +RiccardoAlbertoni 14:35:38 q- 14:35:39 yaso: we should open an action for MTCarrasco and BernadetteLoscio 14:35:40 q+ 14:35:53 q- 14:36:06 q + are we closing issue 125 ? 14:36:12 ACTION: MTCarrasco will write about resource version 14:36:12 Created ACTION-131 - Will write about resource version [on Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez - due 2014-12-05]. 14:36:22 q? 14:36:28 ack gatemezi 14:36:33 +[IPcaller] 14:36:35 gatemezi: are we closing the issue 125? 14:36:41 yaso: yes 14:36:53 zakim, IPcaller is me 14:36:53 +CarlosIgleias; got it 14:37:19 newton: we don't have an issue 125, we have an action 125 14:37:19 q+ 14:37:33 PROPOSED: close the action 125 14:37:47 q+ 14:37:55 Ack BernadetteLoscio 14:37:59 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 14:37:59 BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio 14:38:01 sorry with the confusion, between issue and action 14:38:10 BernadetteLoscio: we should discuss a litle bit more 14:38:17 +1 14:38:19 ... we have a discussion going on by email now 14:38:26 +1 to BernadetteLoscio 14:38:36 gatemezi I confused myself too :-) 14:38:42 q? 14:38:54 ... we should have more discussion about it and then create an action for it 14:39:08 Ack Caroline_ 14:39:43 can we merge two actions with Zakim ? 14:39:54 Caroline_: we can keep the action 125 open and keep the discussion on mail list 14:40:13 MTCarrasco: we could continue the discussion on the list 14:40:23 he is talking about 131 14:40:29 Zakim, can you merge two actions? 14:40:29 I don't understand your question, gatemezi. 14:40:35 ... we could suggest that we are discussing on data versioning 14:40:51 yaso: I will send an email to the list 14:41:02 ... newton is proposing that we don't close the action 125 14:41:11 ... and continue the discussion on the list 14:41:16 Zakim, who is speaking? 14:41:28 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 14:41:28 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 14:41:28 Zakim, who is speaking? 14:41:29 Caroline_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yaso (4%), MTCarrasco (10%), BernadetteLoscio (56%), RiccardoAlbertoni (4%) 14:41:40 Zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 14:41:40 BernadetteLoscio was already muted, yaso 14:41:42 Caroline_, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yaso (23%), gatemezi (4%), MakxDekkers (11%) 14:41:59 I guess we have to kinds of "versioning" to discuss: Dataset Versioning and Resource Versioning. Isn't? 14:42:02 q+ 14:42:13 +1 to newton 14:42:15 Ack annette_g 14:42:45 annette_g: maybe we should go to the list and find out who is talking on what 14:43:05 ... there is quite a few issues being discussed 14:43:07 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/94 14:43:11 can we discuss ACTION-126? 14:43:14 yaso: regarding the issue 94 14:43:22 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/126 14:43:28 q+ 14:43:29 q? 14:43:38 ... we can talk about data versioning on the mailing list 14:43:39 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 14:43:39 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 14:43:47 BernadetteLoscio: about action 126 14:44:23 ... It is about how are we going to organize the BP document, which we have discussed on the F2F 14:45:09 COMURI document 14:45:19 ... this action it to discuss with MTCarrasco of how are we going to combine the document he has done on URI with the BP document 14:45:27 MTCarrasco: I would not put it inside the BP document 14:45:38 ... the best it to separate the document 14:45:58 http://dragoman.org/comuri.html 14:46:19 http://dragoman.org/deuri.html 14:46:34 ... we are woking on it http://dragoman.org/deuri.html separately 14:46:50 ... This is for our open data portal 14:47:09 q+ 14:47:12 yaso: could you add on the second round of the use case document? 14:47:43 ... are you talking aobut a new work that you are doing for the open data portal? 14:48:01 MTCarrasco: the new data portal of European Union 14:48:07 ... this one is going much faster 14:48:17 It could be nice to have the requirements you have at the EU portal in our UCs document 14:48:26 +1 to gatemezi 14:48:32 Ack gatemezi 14:48:56 gatemezi: some of the requirements of the portal maybe in the Use Case document 14:49:12 MTCarrasco: the proposal is to include the document? 14:49:21 gatemezi: is to use the requirement 14:49:56 ... it is hard to do it because the portal is in a transition 14:50:04 ... it is too premature to put it there 14:50:22 yaso: let's leave this topic open until hadleybeeman comes back 14:50:35 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 14:50:35 BernadetteLoscio was not muted, BernadetteLoscio 14:50:35 ack Ber 14:50:38 Ack BernadetteLoscio 14:50:44 ... it could be usefull for the Use Cases requirements 14:51:02 BernadetteLoscio: MTCarrasco is there something that could be included in the BP document? 14:51:18 ... do you want to create some BP according to this template you have proposed? 14:51:37 MTCarrasco: is the proposal that I include in the BP document about the comuri document 14:51:38 ? 14:51:48 Data Identifcation section 14:51:57 BernadetteLoscio: we have one section for identifiers and we need a short description 14:52:11 MTCarrasco: should I put the reference to the comuri document? 14:52:20 BernadetteLoscio: I am talking about the BP document 14:52:47 ... are you going to include some of this on the BP document 14:52:54 For e.g., we can include this http://dragoman.org/comuri.html#nature-of-the-resources in the section regarding versioning and URI design 14:53:03 ..but using the template of BP 14:53:19 yaso: maybe we should use the Use Case requirements to follow the procedures 14:53:39 BernadetteLoscio: I am not proposing a merge 14:53:55 ... we have some requirement on data identification 14:53:58 And ACK the rest of the big document for details to the users 14:54:18 +1 to gatemezi 14:54:20 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 14:54:20 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 14:54:21 ... the idea was just to understand with MTCarrasco how he will include this work on the BP document 14:54:33 gatemezi: we can reuse part of it 14:54:58 MTCarrasco: we have produce something that is the BP 14:55:15 gatemezi: inside of the BP document there are different section 14:55:48 q? 14:55:49 I think BernadetteLoscio is not proposing one merge. We would like to know if MTCarrasco wants to put content related to Identification on Data Identification section on BP document. 14:56:20 yes Tomas! thanks! 14:56:47 yaso: can we make a action to discuss it by email? 14:57:42 ACTION: gatemezi will write an email about what he understandes about the discussion on the URI document and MTCarrasco work to be put on the BP document 14:57:42 Created ACTION-132 - Will write an email about what he understandes about the discussion on the uri document and mtcarrasco work to be put on the bp document [on Ghislain Auguste Atemezing - due 2014-12-05]. 14:58:19 yaso: we will have a call on Monday from 12h London Time until 3PM London Time 14:58:20 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141201 14:58:59 I will try to join the meeting at some point 14:59:11 -MTCarrasco 14:59:14 ... the goal is to adress contributors for the BP document and it will be great if everyone can participate 14:59:16 bye 14:59:17 bye! 14:59:17 bye 14:59:19 -annette_g 14:59:20 bye 14:59:20 bye! 14:59:21 bye! 14:59:23 Thanks, Bye 14:59:25 -jerdeb_ 14:59:25 bye! 14:59:27 -CarlosIgleias 14:59:28 Bye! See you on Monday! 14:59:28 -BernadetteLoscio 14:59:28 -MakxDekkers 14:59:32 -RiccardoAlbertoni 14:59:35 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:59:45 -Yaso 14:59:45 bye! 14:59:50 Bye all1 14:59:57 all 14:59:59 -AdrianoC 15:00:05 AdrianoC has left #dwbp 15:01:51 -AdrianoC 15:06:52 disconnecting the lone participant, gatemezi, in DATA_DWBP()9:00AM 15:06:53 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended 15:06:53 Attendees were Caroline_, newton, MTCarrasco, AdrianoC, Nathalia, BernadetteLoscio, annette_g, gatemezi, RiccardoAlbertoni, jerdeb_, MakxDekkers, CarlosIgleias 15:10:49 yaso has joined #dwbp 15:46:41 JoaoPauloAlmeida has joined #dwbp 21:27:28 rhiaro has joined #dwbp