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15:48:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
15:48:53 <trackbot> Date: 26 November 2014
15:48:59 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Nov/0031
15:49:07 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Nov/0031
15:49:11 <Steven> CHair: Steven
15:49:16 <Steven> s/CH/Ch/
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16:00:45 <Steven> zakim, I am ?
16:00:46 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
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16:10:07 <alain> Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
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16:12:28 <Steven> Regrets: Nick (and next week)
16:12:47 <Steven> Topic: xf:email
16:12:47 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Nov/0002.html
16:13:18 <Steven> Steven: I'm surprised and delighted at the discussion on this.
16:13:35 <Steven> ... and happy they've turned it into an issue.
16:14:07 <Steven> ... I'm writing a reply to them on the issue, to try and clarify what we really want.
16:14:35 <Steven> ... For instance we don't need to know if a domain really exists.
16:14:49 <Steven> ... We only want the syntax of the "lexical space".
16:15:34 <Steven> Erik: There seems to be a strong feeling that HTML shouldn't specify anything that restricts the domain of possibly valid email addresses.
16:15:47 <Steven> Steven: Nor should we.
16:16:06 <Steven> Erik: There is a tension between following specs, and being helpful to users.
16:17:43 <Steven> Steven: We should be as helpful as we can, on no more helpful than that.
16:18:29 <Steven> ... we need to insure that we allow what comes between the dots is the maximum allowable.
16:18:56 <Steven> Erik: How about the trailing slash?
16:19:07 <Steven> Steven: I think that's a bug.
16:20:21 <Steven> Erik: How about tlds that don't exist.
16:21:05 <Steven> ... I mean something like "foo@amsterdam"
16:21:42 <Steven> Steven: Well, that seems like not a valid address. "localhost" would be an example.
16:21:59 <Steven> Erik: Would it ever arise in practice?
16:22:39 <Steven> Steven: You are suggesting that there should be at least one dot?
16:22:48 <Steven> Erik: I just don't know.
16:23:41 <Steven> Steven: The question is do we want to discount legal but unlikely addresses?
16:25:01 <Steven> Erik: In special cases a form author could always create a special type for their local needs.
16:25:19 <Steven> Steven: That maybe the best approach
16:25:26 <Steven> s/may/may /
16:26:34 <Steven> Topic: Review section 8
16:26:34 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#Core_Form_Controls
16:26:56 <Steven> Steven: Thanks for your comments Alain.
16:27:49 <Steven> "The core form controls are described in this module, including their attributes and their content models (their metadata elements). "
16:28:26 <Steven> Steven: Do we want to keep " (their metadata elements)"
16:28:59 <Steven> Philip: I'm not sure what is intende either.
16:29:08 <Steven> s/ende/ended/
16:30:42 <Steven> Steven: Some examples have very old dates (eg 2002)
16:30:50 <Steven> ... I'm inclined to update them.
16:31:20 <ebruchez> works for me
16:31:26 <Steven> Steven: Several controls have @inputmode and @incremental
16:31:58 <Steven> ... I'm inclined to make those central attributes rather than "special" for each control
16:32:21 <ebruchez> fine with me
16:33:32 <Steven> Steven: We have no example of the use of <copy> in select and select1
16:34:33 <Steven> Steven: One other thing, <itemset> is not in this section.
16:34:50 <Steven> ... wqhich is kind of weird.
16:34:55 <Steven> s/wq/w/
16:35:12 <Steven> Erik: It doesn't belong in the repeat module.
16:36:03 <Steven> ... copy is in section 9.
16:36:15 <Steven> Steven: I think these should definitely be in section 8.
16:36:22 <Steven> [general agreement]
16:36:32 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to move itemset and copy to section 8.
16:36:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1989 - Move itemset and copy to section 8. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2014-12-03].
16:37:14 <Steven> Steven: Next week we discuss section 9.
16:38:51 <Steven> Topic: header/@name and @value
16:38:51 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Oct/0045.html
16:38:51 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Nov/0000.html
16:39:06 <ebruchez> yes I have ACTION-1986 on the extra instance namespaces issue
16:39:35 <Steven> Steven: I think we have resolved this, so closing this issue.
16:40:09 <Steven> Topic: AOB
16:40:22 <Steven> Steven: I think we have now dealt with everything we can do without Nick.
16:40:28 <Steven> ... anything else?
16:40:31 <Steven> [No]
16:40:39 <Steven> [ADJOURNED]
16:40:45 <Zakim> -Steven
16:40:46 <Zakim> -pfennell
16:40:46 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:40:48 <Zakim> -ebruchez
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