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21:07:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
21:07:24 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
21:07:25 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
21:07:25 <trackbot> Date: 24 November 2014
21:10:34 <janina> We could do ad hoc?
21:10:42 <MarkS> lets do that.
21:10:49 <janina> zakim, room for 5?
21:10:51 <Zakim> ok, janina; conference Team_(html-a11y-media)21:10Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 2210Z
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21:11:30 <janina> zakim, ??P1 is me
21:11:30 <Zakim> +janina; got it
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21:11:38 <MarkS> zakim, aaaa is me
21:11:38 <Zakim> +MarkS; got it
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21:28:49 <JF> dialing in momentarily
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21:43:48 <JF> no, can y9ou join us?
21:43:50 <janina> zakim, code?
21:43:50 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), janina
21:44:04 <ShaneM> 2 mins
21:44:33 <JF> KK
21:44:44 <janina> OK
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21:45:17 <ShaneM_> what is the code?
21:45:23 <ShaneM_> zakim, what is the code?
21:45:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), ShaneM_
21:45:25 <JF> agenda?
21:47:25 <MarkS> Chair+ Janina Sajka
21:47:25 <MarkS> agenda+ Identify Scribe
21:47:25 <MarkS> agenda+ Media Accessibility User Requirements Comment Responses
21:47:32 <MarkS> zakim, take up item 1
21:47:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe" taken up [from MarkS]
21:47:37 <MarkS> scribe: MarkS
21:47:47 <MarkS> zakim, close item 1
21:47:47 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
21:47:48 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
21:47:48 <Zakim> 2. Media Accessibility User Requirements Comment Responses [from MarkS]
21:47:50 <MarkS> take up next item
21:48:36 <MarkS> SM: I agreed with JF on that, but didn't make any edits because we didn't have consensus
21:49:03 <MarkS> ...first comment is "Cognitive and neurological disabilities..."  Just cognitive, they are the same.
21:49:13 <MarkS> [everyone] agrees
21:50:22 <MarkS> SM: RE: Calling out memory as a disability. Its common to everything in cog and not just cognitive.
21:50:35 <MarkS> ...like what time a telecon is ;)
21:51:09 <MarkS> JS: The more complicated you make a requirement, the more people will make mistakes.
21:51:23 <MarkS> ...whether its memory, or a long string, or case sensitivity, etc.
21:52:06 <MarkS> ...anything here we need to capture?
21:52:07 <MarkS> ...willing to let it go and drop it.  Not sure there is much there.
21:52:52 <MarkS> JF: The only place we mention memory is in the preamble
21:53:49 <MarkS> JS: I think we want to specifically call out memory.  This is how other disabilities share aspects with challenges everyone faces
21:54:16 <MarkS> ...if you have none of the others, you might have that one.
21:55:23 <MarkS> SM: "Individuals with...  information presented as text"  should have audio descriptions for everything.  JF disagreed with that.
21:56:21 <MarkS> JF: The proposed change that came forward wanted to change it to text should be presented aurally.  It puts the emphasis on the content producer to produce that.  I don't want to say that.  All things equal, if you give it to them in text, it can be converted to another format.
21:56:36 <MarkS> ...their suggested change contradicts this
21:56:53 <MarkS> JS: Another answer is to say we support transcript for media.
21:57:22 <MarkS> JF: We have this problem for video descriptions, because they're available as audio or text, they both fundamentally meet the req of WCAG
21:58:01 <MarkS> JS: could they be suggesting that aural based AD should be available via text?
21:58:08 <MarkS> JF: no, they want the inverse
21:58:22 <JF> Sentence beginning with “Individuals with …” a. It is not just that “…information that is presented as text embedded in a video should also be available as audio descriptions …”. Text anywhere, such as in web pages, should be available aurally. b. Suggestion: Change to “… information presented as text should be available aurally, including audio descriptions embedded in videos …”.
21:59:54 <MarkS> JS: we should say this is already addressed.
22:00:58 <MarkS> JF: so we are not making this change?
22:01:01 <MarkS> JS: no
22:01:06 <MarkS> ...we already address this
22:01:23 <MarkS> SM: multi-system affects, comments says its confusing and we need to clarify
22:02:46 <MarkS> ...a web search reveals that this is not hyphenated, and means when a disorder affects multiple cognitive systems
22:03:12 <MarkS> JS: so its well defined, and should not be hyphenated
22:03:30 <MarkS> SM: we should say that its well defined in the Autism spectrum disorder community
22:03:42 <MarkS> ...there is another comment about a run-on sentence, I can fix that
22:04:02 <MarkS> ...accommodation, accommodations...
22:05:32 <MarkS> ...another comment about not reading well.  its in passive voice which we don't usually use.
22:05:52 <MarkS> ..."necessary accessibility supports widely...
22:06:23 <MarkS> ...should be something like  " accessibility support for these ..."
22:06:52 <MarkS> JS: had one from the ARIA call today. requirement to keep controls on screen, related to cognitive.
22:08:22 <JF> [KA-4] It must always be possible to enable native controls regardless of the author preference to guarantee that such functionality is available and essentially override author settings through user control. This is also a particularly important requirement on mobile devices or devices without a keyboard.
22:09:00 <MarkS> SM: we changed KA to IC because it was Interactive Controls, not Keyboard a11y
22:09:11 <JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-accessibility-reqs/#requirements-on-the-parallel-use-of-alternate-content-on-potentially-------multiple-devices-in-parallel
22:09:22 <JF> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-a11y-reqs/
22:10:16 <MarkS> ... need to fix that link
22:10:40 <ShaneM_> http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/media-accessibility-reqs/
22:12:07 <MarkS> SM: add sentence: "note this may include requirement that controls have the ability to remain on screen at all times"
22:12:29 <MarkS> ...the Checklist still says KA, If its OK, I'll change that to IC
22:12:52 <JF> scribe: JF
22:13:09 <MarkS> JS: Atypical color perception, from michael, link to WCAG
22:13:11 <JF> JS: we have some related links from K. Cooper for cross-reference purposes
22:13:29 <JF> s/K. Cooper/M. Cooper
22:13:29 <MarkS> ...i sent on list
22:13:42 <MarkS> [agreement]
22:14:17 <JF> SM: add these links where appropriate?
22:14:25 <JF> [agreement]
22:14:33 <JF> SM will add those as well
22:14:47 <MarkS> JS: next week at 10:00AM for ONE WEEK ONLY
22:15:05 <MarkS> ...would like to get Nigel to attend, so we may move this meeting time again
22:15:27 <JF> JS: next week we meet at 10:00 AM Boston, after which we will look to find a different time
22:15:34 <JF> one that can accomodate Nigel as well
22:15:54 <JF> JS: we're done
22:16:17 <JF> rrsagent, make logs public
22:16:24 <JF> rrsagent, draft minutes
22:16:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/24-html-a11y-media-minutes.html JF
22:16:32 <JF> zakim, please part
22:16:32 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were janina, +1.617.319.aaaa, MarkS, JF
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22:16:54 <JF> rrsagent, please part
22:16:54 <RRSAgent> I see no action items