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16:49:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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16:49:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
16:49:49 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
16:49:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:49:50 <trackbot> Date: 21 November 2014
16:50:07 <joe> trackbot, end telcon
16:50:07 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:50:07 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:50:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:50:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/21-audio-minutes.html trackbot
16:50:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:50:16 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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16:55:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
16:55:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
16:55:06 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
16:55:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:55:07 <trackbot> Date: 21 November 2014
16:55:19 <joe> zakim, this will be 26631
16:55:19 <Zakim> ok, joe; I see Team_(audio)17:00Z scheduled to start in 5 minutes
16:55:20 <shepazu> joe, working on it
16:55:37 <joe> shepazu, I think I just got it with my explicit correction to zakim?
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16:57:27 <Zakim> Team_(audio)17:00Z has now started
16:57:34 <Zakim> +??P2
16:57:52 <Zakim> + +1.617.455.aaaa
16:57:58 <joe> zakim, aaaa is joe
16:57:58 <Zakim> +joe; got it
16:59:01 <Zakim> + +1.510.387.aabb
16:59:18 <rtoyg_m> zakim, who's here
16:59:18 <Zakim> rtoyg_m, you need to end that query with '?'
16:59:25 <rtoyg_m> zakim, who's here?
16:59:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, joe, +1.510.387.aabb
16:59:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see rtoyg_m, hongchan, RRSAgent, Zakim, jernoble, joe, shepazu, cwilso, slightlyoff, Domenic, rtoyg, mdjp, padenot, paul___irish, trackbot
16:59:28 <cwilso> I'm running a few minutes late
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16:59:44 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
16:59:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:59:58 <padenot> Zakim, IPCaller is me
16:59:58 <Zakim> +padenot; got it
17:03:08 <padenot> Clermont-Ferrand
17:04:29 <ChrisL> ChrisL has joined #audio
17:05:28 <cwilso> zakim, who is here?
17:05:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, joe, +1.510.387.aabb, Doug_Schepers, padenot
17:05:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see ChrisL, BillHofmann, rtoyg_m, hongchan, RRSAgent, Zakim, jernoble, joe, shepazu, cwilso, slightlyoff, Domenic, rtoyg, mdjp, padenot, paul___irish, trackbot
17:05:35 <Zakim> +ChrisL
17:05:47 <cwilso> zakim, p2 is me
17:05:48 <Zakim> sorry, cwilso, I do not recognize a party named 'p2'
17:05:52 <joe> cwilso, what's your eta?
17:05:54 <cwilso> zakim, ??P2 is me
17:05:54 <Zakim> +cwilso; got it
17:05:57 <cwilso> I'm here
17:06:00 <BillHofmann> Zakim, aabb is me
17:06:00 <Zakim> +BillHofmann; got it
17:06:08 <cwilso> zakim, cwilso has rtoyg
17:06:08 <Zakim> +rtoyg; got it
17:06:13 <cwilso> zakim, cwilso has hongchan
17:06:13 <Zakim> +hongchan; got it
17:06:42 <ChrisL> zakim, pick a victim
17:06:42 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose padenot
17:07:05 <ChrisL> rrsagent, this is audio
17:07:05 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'this is audio', ChrisL.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:07:05 <joe> chair: joe
17:07:15 <ChrisL> zakim, pick a victim
17:07:15 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose ChrisL
17:07:23 <joe> zakim, pick a victim
17:07:23 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose joe
17:07:29 <joe> zakim, pick a victim
17:07:29 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose BillHofmann
17:07:53 <cwilso> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Needs+WG+decision%22
17:08:18 <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
17:08:18 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/11/21-audio-irc#T17-08-18
17:08:29 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make logs public
17:09:02 <BillHofmann> Bug review; starting with #72 (leaving #358 aside for now)
17:10:26 <ChrisL> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd370844%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
17:11:58 <BillHofmann> Cwilso notes that some OSes have better behavior if you have exclusive access (but has its own host of issues) - relates to this proposal.
17:12:29 <shepazu> q+
17:12:37 <padenot> q+
17:16:06 <joe> q
17:16:07 <ChrisL> q?
17:16:16 <joe> ack
17:16:18 <cwilso> s/better behavior/lower latency/
17:16:47 <joe> q-
17:17:07 <BillHofmann> shepazu notes that he believes this relates to accessibility
17:17:11 <ChrisL> is ultra low latency a primary driver here? would someone use web audio while live tracking for example?
17:17:25 <joe> ack shepazu
17:17:28 <BillHofmann> also needs to be some overall control (permission, revocation)
17:17:53 <ChrisL> q+
17:18:07 <shepazu> (this is a potential accessibility feature or problem, definitely need to ask permission, and a way to revoke permission)
17:19:00 <joe> ack padeont
17:19:06 <joe> ack padenot
17:20:30 <BillHofmann> padenot notes that interrupting other sources is a side effect - also notes that WSAPI exclusive access is actually buggy/unusable - doesn't think we should put this in v1
17:20:32 <cwilso> q+ to say I thought we had a separate issue for output device selection; we should.
17:20:32 <joe> ack ChrisL
17:20:56 <padenot> cwilso: we do, but it's not really worked on in the audio wg
17:21:05 <BillHofmann> ChrisL thinks access to multiple devices is key, but other things are optional
17:21:20 <joe> ack cwilso
17:21:20 <Zakim> cwilso, you wanted to say I thought we had a separate issue for output device selection; we should.
17:21:49 <cwilso> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/445
17:22:29 <BillHofmann> Cwilso notes that while webrtc has a device selection API, but Web Audio doesn't have a way to indicate which context has filed placeholder issue for this; OK with deferring #72 from v1.
17:23:17 <BillHofmann> On to #49
17:24:16 <BillHofmann> cwilso thinks that letting user choose between a-rate and k-rate is a bad idea; asserts that there is nothing to do here however AudioWorkers may require more discussion
17:24:51 <ChrisL> +1 to close
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17:25:25 <BillHofmann> Note to close
17:25:35 <BillHofmann> On to #45
17:25:56 <shepazu> q+
17:26:09 <BillHofmann> Joe notes there is lots of developer-oriented documentation that isn't even informative
17:26:22 <BillHofmann> padenot agrees, though without specific examples
17:27:29 <joe> ack shepazu
17:27:42 <BillHofmann> shepazu proposes Matt and he walk through the spec and red-line portions that are suitable for extraction as developer documentation source data
17:27:53 <BillHofmann> +1 on this...
17:28:27 <joe> action: Doug and Matt will identify sections of spec to be broken out as per issue 45
17:28:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - And matt will identify sections of spec to be broken out as per issue 45 [on Doug Schepers - due 2014-11-28].
17:29:24 <BillHofmann> On to #44
17:29:55 <BillHofmann> cwilso is good with this.
17:31:25 <joe> q+
17:31:34 <BillHofmann> billhofmann notes that 32 is arbitrary
17:31:56 <BillHofmann> padenot notes that you need a limit, but 32 is too low - he has use cases
17:32:27 <BillHofmann> chrisl asks why limit?
17:32:52 <joe> ack joe
17:32:55 <ChrisL> aha. at least is a lower limit, not an ipper
17:33:00 <ChrisL> s/ipper/upper
17:33:33 <BillHofmann> so, the real question (per cwilso) is that this really should be "what is the *minimum* number of channels"?
17:35:30 <BillHofmann> Per cwilso - the question really is whether an implementation fails not having 128 channels, is that non-conformant?
17:35:51 <BillHofmann> Cwilso - would an implementation that explicitly limits be non-conformant?
17:36:27 <BillHofmann> Joe suggests we leave it as is for now (32 channel floor)
17:37:16 <BillHofmann> Joe says - we need to state a little more consistently through the spec perhaps?
17:38:02 <BillHofmann> Cwilso says that he doesn't think this is an issue, really - it's used elsewhere where relevant
17:38:41 <BillHofmann> Joe says - everything is ok, we can close this issue; cwilso and padenot agree that a floor is sufficient.
17:39:42 <BillHofmann> On to #16
17:39:53 <BillHofmann> Cwilso notes that this is a common request, including in webmidi
17:41:05 <BillHofmann> cwilso also notes this is a reasonable sense; somewhat difficult to implement however
17:41:21 <BillHofmann> s/sense/request
17:41:49 <BillHofmann> Joe proposes keeping this in the v1 bin (to be addressed again later if there is major concern)
17:41:52 <BillHofmann> cwilso agrees
17:42:39 <BillHofmann> (someone is dancing on their keyboard)
17:42:43 <BillHofmann> On to #9
17:43:43 <BillHofmann> Joe notes that this is a nice-to-have, you can always create a new node
17:45:21 <BillHofmann> cwilso thinks this might be higher than nice-to-have, but needs more thought
17:45:36 <BillHofmann> Joe proposes that a case is better made at a node-per-node level
17:46:14 <BillHofmann> Cwilso agrees, but thinks AudioWorker might be a specific case
17:47:16 <BillHofmann> shepazu thinks that a per-node reset case is befuddling.
17:48:48 <BillHofmann> Joe notes that making it general brings up a bunch of new issues related to state, etc - e.g., can you now call start and give it a different time?
17:49:04 <BillHofmann> Joe says we  need more time on this, needs more exploration
17:49:46 <BillHofmann> Joe says we'd need to walk through all nodes and understand this
17:49:50 <BillHofmann> cwilso agrees
17:50:16 <BillHofmann> billhofmann asks whether the lack of strong feeling suggests we move on
17:50:23 <BillHofmann> Joe moves to v.next bin
17:51:04 <BillHofmann> On to #7
17:51:13 <BillHofmann> Cwilso and Padenot say, "close!"
17:51:27 <BillHofmann> Joe notes this really requires a more complete discussion.
17:52:25 <BillHofmann> Nine issues left, now 8 minutes left.
17:52:40 <BillHofmann> Joe proposes we adjourn early and come back after Turkey Day
17:53:11 <BillHofmann> Joe suggests next meeting date is Dec 4
17:53:53 <cwilso> I got rid of two of the 9 issues (they were set to v.next, so we didn't need to review)
17:54:04 <BillHofmann> billhofmann notes that Dolby is considering whether we can contribute on the testing effort
17:54:15 <BillHofmann> Joe notes we should have that discussion on the list
17:54:21 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
17:54:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/21-audio-minutes.html ChrisL
17:54:45 <Zakim> -joe
17:54:46 <Zakim> -ChrisL
17:54:47 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
17:54:48 <Zakim> -cwilso
17:54:49 <joe> trackbot, end telcon
17:54:49 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:54:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.617.455.aaaa, joe, +1.510.387.aabb, Doug_Schepers, padenot, ChrisL, BillHofmann, rtoyg, hongchan
17:54:53 <Zakim> -padenot
17:54:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:54:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/21-audio-minutes.html trackbot
17:54:58 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:54:58 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/21-audio-actions.rdf :
17:54:58 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Doug and Matt will identify sections of spec to be broken out as per issue 45 [1]
17:54:58 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/21-audio-irc#T17-28-27