15:02:10 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #xproc
15:02:10 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/11/19-xproc-irc
15:02:11 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #xproc
15:02:15 <Norm> zakim, this is xproc
15:02:15 <Zakim> ok, Norm; that matches XML_PMWG()10:00AM
15:02:28 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
15:02:28 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
15:02:28 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/11/19-agenda
15:02:28 <Norm> Date: 19 Nov 2014
15:02:28 <Norm> Meeting: 258
15:02:30 <Norm> Chair: Norm
15:02:32 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
15:02:34 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
15:02:50 <Zakim> +Alex_Milows
15:03:13 <Norm> zakim, who's here?
15:03:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Loren_Cahlander, [EMC], Norm, Alex_Milows
15:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, alexmilowski, lcahlander, Vojtech, Norm, jfuller, liam
15:03:33 <Norm> Present: Norm, Alex, Loren, Vojtech
15:03:36 <Norm> Regrets: Henry
15:04:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:18 <Norm> Present: Norm, Alex, Loren, Vojtech, Jim
15:04:27 <Norm> zakim, ipcaller is jfuller
15:04:27 <Zakim> +jfuller; got it
15:04:29 <Norm> zakim emc is Vojtech
15:04:36 <Norm> zakim, emc is Vojtech
15:04:36 <Zakim> +Vojtech; got it
15:04:42 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
15:04:42 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/11/19-agenda
15:04:50 <Norm> Accepted
15:04:54 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
15:04:54 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/11/12-minutes
15:05:03 <Norm> Accepted.
15:05:13 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting
15:05:13 <Norm> Proposed: 26 Nov 2014 does anyone have to give regrets?
15:05:27 <Norm> No regrets heard.
15:05:30 <Norm> Topic: Review of open action items
15:06:10 <Norm> Norm asserts completion of A-256-02.
15:06:47 <Norm> Jim asserts completion of A-257-01.
15:07:39 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to check with Laim about the holiday publishing moritorium
15:07:51 <Norm> Topic: Are we ready for FWPD
15:07:58 <Norm> s/FWPD/FPWD/
15:08:27 <Norm> Norm: Are we comfortable with the current draft. Is there anything we have to do
15:08:34 <Norm> Alex: Proof it, give it a careful read through.
15:08:39 <Norm> ACTION: Alex to proof the specs.
15:09:01 <Norm> Norm: There are two sections, AVT and TVT to deal with.
15:10:25 <jfuller> https://github.com/xproc/specification/pull/120
15:10:34 <jfuller> http://xquery.github.io/xproc-vnext-spec/langspec/xproc20/head/xproc20/diff.html
15:10:48 <Norm> Topic: Jim's proposal to make p:inline optional
15:11:53 <Norm> Jim outlines his changes.
15:13:59 <Norm> Norm observes that Section 5.1 still refers to plural elements; Jim agrees it's an oversight. Fixes.
15:14:23 <jfuller> https://github.com/xquery/xproc-vnext-spec/commit/d2bf246114419dc9ab85322214b2f60dd11dfb12
15:15:19 <Norm> Vojtech wonders if we want to have a different pattern name for anyElement|p:inline+
15:15:48 <Norm> Norm suggests it's probably ok this way; if we had a different pattern we'd  have to explain it somewhere.
15:16:18 <Norm> Proposed: With the plural change, accept this pull request.
15:16:30 <Norm> Accepted.
15:16:52 <jfuller> thx folks
15:16:52 <Norm> Topic: Norm's attempt to update try/catch
15:17:10 <Norm> -> https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/try-catch/head/xproc20/diff.html#p.try
15:18:47 <Norm> Norm outlines his proposal.
15:19:56 <Norm> Norm thinks code should probably be QName+
15:20:55 <Norm> Vojtech: At the moment catch is required. What if it was optional.
15:21:04 <Norm> ...You could use the finally block as described.
15:21:49 <Norm> Norm: I considered it, but didn't. We could do that later.
15:22:27 <Norm> Norm: I'll add that to the ednote for p:finally
15:22:41 <Norm> Proposal: With those two changes, shall we accept this change?
15:23:00 <Norm> Accepted.
15:23:07 <Norm> Topic: Norm's attempt to address Vojtech's comments
15:24:30 <alexmilowski> URI?
15:25:02 <Norm> -> https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/spec-comments/head/xproc20/diff.html
15:26:48 <Norm> Vojtech: I think the change in 2.3 is incorrect; readable port isn't right, it's also p:inline, etc.
15:26:57 <Norm> ...I thought there was a term for "data sources".
15:27:04 <jfuller> < issue #38 for implicit p:inline updated https://github.com/xquery/xproc-vnext-spec/commit/54912fbdbf0692ec2cfb7502525aa4291943dca2 >
15:27:38 <Norm> Norm: I'm happy to change that to "in combination with other data sources".
15:27:51 <Norm> Norm: We should also add a definition for data source if we're going to use it.
15:29:27 <Norm> Vojtech: Do we say anything about what is a valid content type.
15:29:44 <Norm> Alex: That's a slippery slope. It may be that text/* isn't useful, but it could be.
15:30:27 <Norm> Norm: I'll add an issue to track what decide about valid content types.
15:31:42 <alexmilowski_> alexmilowski_ has joined #xproc
15:32:33 <lcahlander> I am going to have to leave.  I am being called into a meeting.
15:33:17 <lcahlander> my regrets.  proxy to the chair for the rest of the meeting.
15:33:30 <Zakim> -Loren_Cahlander
15:36:27 <Norm> -> https://ndw.github.io/specification/
15:36:28 <jfuller> https://xproc.github.io/specification/
15:38:50 <Norm> Proposal: Accept these changes.
15:38:57 <Norm> Accepted.
15:39:27 <Norm> Topic: Any other business
15:39:55 <Norm> Alex: We need to get Liam involved to get the FPWD out.
15:39:59 <Norm> Norm: Yes, I'll take care of that.
15:40:06 <jfuller> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/109
15:40:34 <Norm> Jim: I'd like to make sure we talk about this again.
15:40:48 <Norm> ...I wonder if there's some defaulting behavior that can satisfy some of these cases.
15:41:32 <Norm> Adjourned.
15:41:37 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
15:41:39 <Zakim> -Norm
15:41:41 <Zakim> -Vojtech
15:41:43 <Zakim> -jfuller
15:41:43 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has ended
15:41:43 <Zakim> Attendees were Loren_Cahlander, Norm, Alex_Milows, jfuller, Vojtech
15:41:43 <Norm> rrsagent, please set logs world-visible
15:41:49 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:41:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/19-xproc-minutes.html Norm
17:08:56 <Zakim> Zakim has left #xproc