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16:56:13 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
16:56:13 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman, I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM already started
16:56:28 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
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16:56:51 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
16:56:51 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
16:57:20 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
16:57:21 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of agenda, new items
16:57:23 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of actions - including identifying user strategies and cognitive function table
16:57:24 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ Gap Analise  issue papers - web security technologies issue paper, v. 4
16:57:26 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Gap Analise  issue papers - From Tim: first draft of online payment issues paper - my action item
16:57:27 <Zakim> +Susann_Keohane
16:57:27 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Gap Analise  issue papers - (Others?)
16:57:29 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ issue papers title (Janina's proposal)
16:57:31 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of User Agent Accessibility Guidelines (UAAG) 2.0 Last Call Working Draft. The working group (UAWG)
16:57:32 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  Next FTF
16:57:34 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ How will we receive comments?
16:57:35 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
16:57:49 <Zakim> + +1.508.856.aaaa
16:57:53 <Susann_Keohane> zakim, aabb is Susann_Keohane
16:57:53 <Zakim> sorry, Susann_Keohane, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
16:58:12 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who is here
16:58:12 <Zakim> Lisa_Seeman, you need to end that query with '?'
16:58:16 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who is here?
16:58:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, Susann_Keohane, +1.508.856.aaaa
16:58:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see Susann_Keohane, JohnRochford, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chaohai_Ding, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC, janina, trackbot
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16:59:49 <Chaohai_Ding> Sorry for the ISP service for me seems not work today.
17:00:44 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:Katie Haritos Shea,  Debra Ruh,Kinshuk, John Folit
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17:01:10 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:Katie Haritos Shea,  Debra Ruh,Kinshuk, John Folit, ,Mary Jo Mueller,
17:01:23 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who is here?
17:01:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, Susann_Keohane, +1.508.856.aaaa
17:01:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see KateDeibel, slee, Susann_Keohane, JohnRochford, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chaohai_Ding, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC, janina, trackbot
17:02:16 <slee> I'm geting no sound from Ekiga again, though the W3c test service works juts fine :(
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17:03:24 <Zakim> +??P9
17:03:29 <KateDeibel> zakim, ??P9 is me
17:03:29 <Zakim> +KateDeibel; got it
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17:04:29 <Zakim> +??P12
17:05:35 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: John
17:05:46 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aabb
17:06:05 <Tony_Doran> Zakim, aabb is me
17:06:05 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran; got it
17:06:11 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe:JohnRochford
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17:06:44 <slee> Lisa - OK thanks, I thought they had fixed it :(
17:06:47 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aaaa is JohnRochford
17:06:47 <Zakim> +JohnRochford; got it
17:07:24 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:07:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review of agenda, new items" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:07:57 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
17:08:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:08:22 <neilmilliken> zakim, +44.203.618.2950 is me
17:08:22 <Zakim> sorry, neilmilliken, I do not recognize a party named '+44.203.618.2950'
17:08:53 <slee> zakim, IPCaller is me
17:08:53 <Zakim> +slee; got it
17:09:14 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:09:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "review of actions - including identifying user strategies and cognitive function table" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:09:29 <slee> hi!
17:13:54 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:13:54 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Gap Analise  issue papers - web security technologies issue paper, v. 4" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:14:52 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Janina suggests issue paper be renamed to "Issue Paper: Gap Analysis".
17:15:34 <Zakim> +??P0
17:15:57 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Example = "COGA Issue Paper: Gap Analysis: Web Security Technologies".
17:17:14 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Nov/0028.html
17:18:03 <Tony_Doran> I There is some great ideas in there
17:18:04 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Nov/att-0028/WebSecurity.html
17:18:10 <Tony_Doran> ?
17:18:13 <Zakim> + +1.425.429.aacc
17:18:20 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:18:41 <Tony_Doran> q?
17:21:35 <JohnRochford> slee: privacy, such as with Facebook profiles, should be added as an issue
17:23:03 <JohnRochford> John: Should privacy be its own issue paper, or added to the web security issue paper?
17:23:15 <Tony_Doran> I would agree
17:23:26 <MichaelC> ack me
17:23:35 <Tony_Doran> no privacy without security and vice versa
17:23:40 <MichaelC> q+ to say the domain of privacy and security is well worked out; suggest approaching Privacy IG
17:24:12 <MichaelC> ack me
17:24:12 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say the domain of privacy and security is well worked out; suggest approaching Privacy IG
17:24:17 <Tony_Doran> federated IDs complicate this greatly
17:24:48 <JohnRochford> Michael: Privacy should be referred to the W3C working group
17:25:26 <MichaelC> q+ to say address the questions you need to address without worrying about whether they´re ¨privacy¨ or ¨security¨, sort that out later with guidance
17:25:27 <JohnRochford> clarification: the W3C privacy working group
17:27:11 <MichaelC> ack me
17:27:12 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say address the questions you need to address without worrying about whether they´re ¨privacy¨ or ¨security¨, sort that out later with guidance
17:28:43 <Lisa_Seeman> qq?
17:28:45 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:29:08 <JohnRochford> Michael: Correction: We should address security and privacy together as part of our working group's efforts.
17:30:27 <JohnRochford> Tony_Doran: We should work to make sure privacy-related instructions are accessible to people with CD
17:30:57 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
17:31:27 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:32:35 <JohnRochford> Tony_Doran: About security issue paper, it's a great idea to develop and use common sets of vocabulary and iconography across web security technologies.
17:32:56 <Tony_Doran> "Language" is visual as well as text based. Simple language should apply across visual and text etc etc
17:34:43 <Zakim> - +1.425.429.aacc
17:35:13 <neilmilliken> q+
17:35:21 <Lisa_Seeman> ack l
17:35:26 <Lisa_Seeman> ack n
17:35:28 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We would like John to add info about privacy and security instructions being accessible.
17:36:00 <JohnRochford> slee: high-security option should be default
17:37:37 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who is here?
17:37:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, Susann_Keohane, JohnRochford, KateDeibel, ??P12, Tony_Doran, Debbie_Dahl, slee, Michael_Cooper (muted)
17:37:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddahl_, Tony_Doran, neilmilliken, KateDeibel, slee, Susann_Keohane, JohnRochford, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chaohai_Ding, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC, janina, trackbot
17:38:37 <Zakim> +??P2
17:38:42 <janina> zakim, ??P2 is me
17:38:42 <Zakim> +janina; got it
17:38:55 <Tony_Doran> ..as long as you remember the fob!
17:41:38 <JohnRochford> Lisa: when security-requirements are arduous, they will be circumvented by users with insecure techniques/methods
17:42:11 <MichaelC> ack me
17:43:20 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
17:43:28 <JohnRochford> Michael: we do want to document the web security technology differentials for people with CD
17:44:43 <JohnRochford> Janina: Perhaps web security technologies are purposely difficult so users spend more time on site and see advertisements
17:45:20 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who is here?
17:45:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, Susann_Keohane, JohnRochford, KateDeibel, ??P12, Tony_Doran, Debbie_Dahl, slee, Michael_Cooper (muted), janina
17:45:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see ddahl_, Tony_Doran, neilmilliken, KateDeibel, slee, Susann_Keohane, JohnRochford, RRSAgent, Zakim, Chaohai_Ding, Lisa_Seeman, MichaelC, janina, trackbot
17:45:32 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:45:57 <neilmilliken> Zakim, p12 is me
17:45:57 <Zakim> sorry, neilmilliken, I do not recognize a party named 'p12'
17:46:18 <neilmilliken> Zakim
17:46:38 <slee> neilmilliken: perhaps it is case sensitive?
17:48:25 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We should list usability and accessibility issues in terms of how they affect people with CD
17:49:31 <neilmilliken> perhaps it hates me steve
17:49:39 <JohnRochford> Lisa: a typical circumvention technique is to write down passwords on pieces of paper
17:50:32 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
17:50:36 <janina> Leaving now to join ARIA. Sorry!
17:50:45 <Zakim> -janina
17:50:56 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:51:37 <neilmilliken> I have a password safe app
17:51:59 <neilmilliken> now I have touch ID on my password app :)
17:52:26 <JohnRochford> Lisa: people with CD may not be able to recall where they hid piece of paper with password, or other people may find it who should not
17:54:05 <neilmilliken> yes john great stuff so far
17:55:00 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0045.html
17:57:12 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:59:38 <Zakim> -JohnRochford
18:00:16 <Zakim> -KateDeibel
18:00:36 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: lisa_seeman
18:01:05 <slee> I have to head off too
18:01:21 <Lisa_Seeman> niel: 0 is the best number for reserved number - easy to find and seprate
18:01:34 <Zakim> -slee
18:03:03 <ddahl_> I need to go now, bye!
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18:03:34 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
18:03:57 <Zakim> -Susann_Keohane
18:04:06 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:Katie Haritos Shea,  Debra Ruh,Kinshuk, John Folit, ,Mary Jo Mueller, Tim Borland
18:04:21 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
18:04:28 <Lisa_Seeman>  rrsagent, create minutes
18:04:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/17-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
18:04:35 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
18:04:35 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Lisa_Seeman, Susann_Keohane, +1.508.856.aaaa, KateDeibel, +44.289.442.aabb, Tony_Doran, JohnRochford, Debbie_Dahl, slee,
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18:04:38 <Zakim> ... Michael_Cooper, +1.425.429.aacc, janina
18:04:45 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
18:04:45 <RRSAgent> I see no action items