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14:51:18 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
14:51:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
14:51:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:51:22 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
14:51:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:51:23 <trackbot> Date: 13 November 2014
14:51:35 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Nov/0006.html
14:52:08 <aphillip> Regrets: Felix, Steven, Mati, Bobby?
14:53:03 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
14:53:07 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
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15:00:12 <Zakim> +aphillip
15:00:17 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
15:00:18 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
15:00:20 <Zakim> +Richard
15:00:46 <Zakim> +Leandro
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15:02:41 <aphillip> Regrets+ Dan
15:02:51 <aphillip> s/Dan/Dennis/
15:03:12 <Zakim> +JcK
15:04:52 <aphillip> agenda+ discuss making chinese groups aware of each other
15:05:04 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda and Minutes
15:05:29 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:05:35 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
15:06:29 <aphillip> action-354?
15:06:29 <trackbot> action-354 -- Richard Ishida to Ask css to change font spec example so kai is cursive not serif (or use an appropriate example font like song for serif) -- due 2014-10-30 -- OPEN
15:06:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/354
15:06:42 <aphillip> close action-354
15:06:42 <trackbot> Closed action-354.
15:07:19 <aphillip> close action-355
15:07:19 <trackbot> Closed action-355.
15:08:45 <aphillip> action-362?
15:08:45 <trackbot> action-362 -- Leandro Reis to Share information about public knowledge base materials for use on w3c site -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
15:08:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/362
15:08:53 <aphillip> leandro: need info from richard about where to put stuff
15:09:05 <aphillip> richard: are they on the web at the moment?
15:09:18 <aphillip> leandro: not public
15:09:27 <aphillip> richard: how many files? could you zip and send?
15:09:47 <aphillip> leandro: can zip, won't look same, but will send to you
15:10:48 <aphillip> agenda+ action 363
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15:11:45 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:11:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:12:04 <aphillip> richard: three new members
15:12:07 <aphillip> ... since last call
15:12:14 <aphillip> ... one is Bobby Tung from Taiwan
15:12:18 <aphillip> ... working on CLReq
15:12:27 <aphillip> richard: Ethan Chen
15:12:33 <aphillip> ... also working on CLReq
15:12:40 <aphillip> richard: Leslie Sikos
15:12:53 <aphillip> chair: welcome new members
15:13:31 <bobtung> Hi,
15:13:41 <aphillip> richard: also in contact with some people from Huawei
15:13:59 <aphillip> ... hope to have members from them
15:14:05 <aphillip> ... and possibly Adobe India
15:14:56 <aphillip>  Topic: RADAR
15:15:01 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
15:15:52 <aphillip> addison:added webvtt
15:15:57 <aphillip> ... and utr51 emoji
15:16:00 <aphillip> ... any shepard
15:16:19 <aphillip> s/shepard/shepherd/
15:17:23 <aphillip> agenda?
15:17:43 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:17:43 <Zakim> agendum 1. "discuss making chinese groups aware of each other" taken up [from aphillip]
15:18:03 <aphillip> JcK: don't know if this is a deep discussion issue
15:18:19 <aphillip> ... subtle chinese language issues
15:18:25 <aphillip> ... CN NIC
15:18:28 <aphillip> ... and others
15:18:41 <aphillip> ... email addresses and headers
15:18:52 <aphillip> ... chinese name presentation group
15:19:03 <aphillip> ... simplified vs. traditional presentation issue
15:19:33 <aphillip> ... and ?? body with chinese ISO member standards for books/ebooks which overlaps with some of this
15:19:55 <aphillip> ... not an expert, but think it would help if we introduced people
15:20:08 <aphillip> richard: are ISO folks part of CESI?
15:20:24 <aphillip> JcK: need to look back at b cards and such
15:20:29 <aphillip> ... send me a note to find out?
15:20:48 <aphillip> richard: pass names along to Beihang??
15:21:34 <aphillip> richard: Beihang team and AnQi in particular, collaborating quite closely with CESI
15:21:46 <aphillip> ... need to figure out how to produce W3C deliverable from that
15:22:18 <aphillip> action: JcK: send richard coordinates for standards folks in China related to ebooks, etc.
15:22:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-367 - Send richard coordinates for standards folks in china related to ebooks, etc. [on John Klensin - due 2014-11-20].
15:22:41 <aphillip> addison: what about email addresses folks?
15:22:55 <aphillip> JcK: may interact with URI/URL/etc. problem
15:23:06 <aphillip> ... not up to date about what happened at TPAC
15:23:21 <aphillip> ... invention of weird encodings to get around problems
15:24:17 <aphillip> richard: think Dennis would be interested
15:24:44 <aphillip> agenda?
15:25:54 <aphillip> agenda: Dennis: ping JcK about Chinese people working on EAI
15:26:10 <aphillip> action: Dennis: ping JcK about Chinese people working on EAI
15:26:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-368 - Ping jck about chinese people working on eai [on Dennis Tan Tanaka - due 2014-11-20].
15:26:13 <aphillip> agenda?
15:26:24 <aphillip> agenda: action 363
15:26:28 <aphillip> action-363?
15:26:28 <trackbot> action-363 -- Addison Phillips to Follow up with membership on hackathon planning for (e.g.) iri/idn or encoding tests -- due 2014-11-07 -- OPEN
15:26:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/363
15:27:11 <aphillip> addison: summarizes discussion at tpac
15:27:27 <aphillip> ... need a location, date, and time
15:28:19 <aphillip> richard: think we might need to talk to felix or dennis, as it was their suggestion?
15:28:25 <aphillip> leandro: felix, I think
15:29:29 <aphillip> Topic: Updating the format for articles
15:29:36 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Nov/0003.html
15:29:55 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-navigation-select-temp.en
15:30:25 <aphillip> richard: do not want to get into design by committee mode :-)
15:30:59 <aphillip> richard: didn't arise from reading the article you mentioned but from someone else's blog
15:31:04 <aphillip> ... using a very open font
15:31:12 <aphillip> ... Roboto or Helvetica Neue
15:31:24 <aphillip> ... easier to read, less dense
15:31:28 <aphillip> ... does make you scroll more
15:31:37 <aphillip> ... must read rather than "scan"
15:31:43 <aphillip> ... but easier on eye
15:31:54 <aphillip> ... so think we go ahead?
15:32:46 <David> I like the sample, it even looked good and readable on my Android phone's default browser.
15:33:32 <aphillip> action: richard: change style sheets to new format for articles and tutorials et al.
15:33:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-369 - Change style sheets to new format for articles and tutorials et al. [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-11-20].
15:34:17 <aphillip> Topic: LTLI draft
15:34:30 <aphillip> action-359?
15:34:30 <trackbot> action-359 -- Addison Phillips to Revive ltli (language tags and locale identifiers) -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN
15:34:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/359
15:34:46 <aphillip> http://www.org/TR/ltli
15:35:11 <aphillip>   http://inter-locale.com/w3c/ltli/LTLI.html
15:38:21 <aphillip> addison: converted to respec and changed references
15:38:27 <aphillip> ... need serious work to clean up
15:39:22 <aphillip>  Topic: What happened at TPAC and IUC38?
15:39:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:39:52 <aphillip> Leandro: TPAC was a great experience, very helpful
15:40:07 <aphillip> ... understand better how we relate to other groups and how we work
15:40:18 <aphillip> ... thanks richard and addison, et al
15:40:55 <aphillip> JcK: minutes were more of an "aide memoire" to participants than helpful to outsiders not there
15:40:59 <aphillip> ... would appreciate more summary
15:41:10 <aphillip> richard: plan to troll the minutes for more of a summary
15:41:37 <aphillip> s/troll/trawl/
15:42:35 <aphillip> richard: unicode went really well
15:42:39 <aphillip> ... one of the best in a while
15:42:43 <aphillip> addison: +1
15:43:59 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:44:31 <aphillip> richard:  read through TPAC minutes and check next steps
15:44:42 <aphillip> ... next week might be a good time to discuss more deeply
15:44:46 <aphillip> ... what happened in TPAC
15:46:52 <aphillip> action: addison: recreate and keep  up to date the "things we're working on" list
15:46:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-370 - Recreate and keep  up to date the "things we're working on" list [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-11-20].
15:48:37 <Zakim> -Leandro
15:48:42 <Zakim> -JcK
15:48:42 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:48:49 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:48:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:48:58 <r12a> zakim, drop richard please
15:48:58 <Zakim> Richard is being disconnected
15:48:59 <Zakim> -Richard
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15:49:17 <Zakim> -David
15:49:18 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended
15:49:18 <Zakim> Attendees were aphillip, Richard, Leandro, David, JcK
15:54:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:54:22 <aphillip> zakim, bye
15:54:22 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
15:54:42 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Leandro, David, JcK
15:54:47 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:54:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:55:13 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:55:13 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:55:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JcK: send richard coordinates for standards folks in China related to ebooks, etc. [1]
15:55:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-i18n-irc#T15-22-18
15:55:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Dennis: ping JcK about Chinese people working on EAI [2]
15:55:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-i18n-irc#T15-26-10
15:55:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: change style sheets to new format for articles and tutorials et al. [3]
15:55:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-i18n-irc#T15-33-32
15:55:13 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: recreate and keep  up to date the "things we're working on" list [4]
15:55:13 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/11/13-i18n-irc#T15-46-52