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14:46:23 <schuki> schuki has changed the topic to: Webmob Teleconference 2pm UTC, Dial: +1-617-761-6200 or sip:zakim@voip.w3.org then conference code 932662 ("WEBMOB"), https://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/Meetings
14:47:48 <schuki>  zakim, list conferences
14:47:48 <Zakim> I see WAI_WCAG()9:00AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, WAI_RDWG()9:30AM active
14:47:49 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are Team_SysWeb()10:00AM, UW_WebTVIG()9:00AM, XML_PMWG()10:00AM, IA_Fonts()10:00AM, DATA_RDFWG()10:00AM, MWI_WBMB()10:00AM, SW_CG()9:00AM,
14:47:49 <Zakim> ... DATA_CSVWG()10:00AM, Team_JEFF(FETCH)10:00AM
14:48:35 <schuki> Zakim: this is MWI_WBMB
14:49:03 <schuki> Zakim, this is MWI_WBMB
14:49:03 <Zakim> schuki, I see MWI_WBMB()10:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be MWI_WBMB".
14:49:22 <schuki> Zakim, this will be MWI_WBMB
14:49:22 <Zakim> ok, schuki; I see MWI_WBMB()10:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
14:49:28 <schuki> :D
14:49:57 <schuki> Zakim, what is the conference code?
14:49:57 <Zakim> the conference code is 932662 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), schuki
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14:52:21 <dom> schuki, the mail you sent the other day for the meeting said 2pm UTC, but http://www.w3.org/wiki/Mobile/Meetings says 3pm UTC; which is it?
14:52:43 <schuki> 2pm!
14:53:09 <dom> so I missed it then?
14:53:32 <schuki> wait, is it 3pm now?!
14:53:38 <schuki> i was going by cal
14:53:40 <dom> it will be 5min from now
14:53:44 <schuki> yes yes!!!
14:53:49 <dom> oh, calendar has it as 3pm too
14:53:59 <schuki> no no 3pm then
14:54:03 <dom> ok good :)
14:54:12 <schuki> HI CRUD DAYLIGHT SAVINGS
14:54:29 <schuki> hopefully people will have your more helpful cal entry!
14:54:35 <dom> trackbot, prepare meeting
14:54:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 306
14:54:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBMOB
14:54:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see MWI_WBMB()10:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
14:54:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Web and Mobile Interest Group Teleconference
14:54:40 <trackbot> Date: 12 November 2014
14:54:50 <dom> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:01:33 <Zakim> MWI_WBMB()10:00AM has now started
15:01:35 <dom> Zakim, code?
15:01:35 <Zakim> the conference code is 932662 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), dom
15:01:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:02:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:02:21 <Zakim> +??P36
15:02:23 <dom> zakim, ??P36 is me
15:02:23 <Zakim> +dom; got it
15:03:14 <Zakim> +DanSun
15:04:15 <dom> Chair: Marcos, Schuki
15:04:17 <dom> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-mobile/2014Nov/0007.html
15:04:57 <marcosc> hakim, who is here?
15:05:05 <marcosc> zakim, who is here?
15:05:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a], dom, DanSun
15:05:06 <dan> dan has joined #webmob
15:05:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see marcosc, dom, RRSAgent, Zakim, dka, m4nu, sangwhan_, tobie, paul___irish, schuki, ernesto, trackbot
15:05:18 <dom> zakim, IPcaller is marcosc
15:05:18 <Zakim> +marcosc; got it
15:05:25 <dom> zakim, IPcaller.a is schuki
15:05:25 <Zakim> +schuki; got it
15:05:51 <dka> will dial
15:06:34 <marcosc> TOPIC: Permissions - Geolocation
15:07:10 <schuki> marcosc: mournir made a permissions api proposal
15:07:29 <schuki> ... this should address the discussion of the gelocation api
15:07:36 <Zakim> +DKA
15:07:58 <schuki> ... during tpac the geolocation wg some privacy issues were rasied
15:08:24 <schuki> marcosc: mounir thinks we should deal with these
15:08:37 <schuki> ... hopefully then we can filter this into dap
15:08:52 <schuki> dom: how does this deal with alex russell's issues
15:09:05 <Zakim> -schuki
15:09:07 <schuki> marcosc: not sure, we asked TAG about this
15:09:12 <dka> ?
15:09:24 <Zakim> -marcosc
15:09:32 <dom> -> https://gist.github.com/slightlyoff/43cd8c2f64a0719358fe  A Plan For Permission-Requesting APIs
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15:09:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:09:55 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:09:59 <dka> what historical time-frame of TAG positions are we talking about for geo privacy?
15:11:03 <schuki> marcosc: dom asked the tag about permissions and apis
15:11:22 <schuki> dka: alex produced a doc with this
15:11:31 <dom> -> https://gist.github.com/slightlyoff/43cd8c2f64a0719358fe  A Plan For Permission-Requesting APIs
15:12:02 <schuki> dka: there was a question with data minimisation with the api a while ago
15:12:12 <schuki> ... this came up at the privacy discussion at tpac
15:12:22 <schuki> there is no formal doc about this
15:13:04 <dka> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/APIMinimization.html
15:13:27 <schuki> marcosc: ah the async thing
15:13:38 <schuki> dka: latest tag work is in this permissions doc
15:13:44 <schuki> ... alex russell produced
15:13:48 <schuki> ... we would like feedback
15:14:57 <schuki> schuki: i'll send to the group
15:15:29 <schuki> marcosc: the model alex is proposing is the initial request
15:15:37 <schuki> ... mounir's is after
15:15:47 <schuki> ... so what you do after a permission has been denied
15:15:53 <schuki> topic: data info api!
15:16:07 <marcosc> TOPIC: Data API
15:16:20 <dka> Also of note: http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-privacy-minutes.html
15:16:27 <dka> Privacy IG minutes from TPAC.
15:16:49 <dka> Where among other things doucments relating to privacy reviews are discussed.
15:18:44 <marcosc> schuki: we are looking if there are legal issues around the API. We are seeing if it's feasible and if it can be done in an interoperable manner. So initially, we are just looking at experimenting and producing guidelines.
15:19:33 <marcosc> schuki: so we would like to do some implementation work before we push for standardization
15:20:27 <schuki> dka: some feedback is that data plans are very different so there would be a lot of complexity
15:20:37 <schuki> ... so using this could be hard
15:21:23 <schuki> ... the q is: how can we boil this down into the top things app developers want?
15:22:13 <schuki> marcosc: browser side we may need to have some operators that can provide this, and some can't
15:22:22 <schuki> ... this could be a disruptive feature
15:22:47 <schuki> ... so this could be seen as a competitive advantage
15:23:19 <dka> makes sense
15:23:20 <dka> :)
15:24:34 <dom> q+ to discuss deeper network info api
15:25:19 <schuki> ack dka
15:25:24 <schuki> ack dom
15:25:24 <Zakim> dom, you wanted to discuss deeper network info api
15:27:57 <schuki> dom: some convesations are going on privately,
15:28:47 <schuki> ... some written info on how the network is being operated would be good
15:29:05 <dom> s/some written info/an API giving info
15:31:46 <dka> +1 to “softly softly” approach.
15:33:23 <schuki> marcosc: it would be great to show it working with one / few operators
15:33:28 <schuki> ... then show it working
15:33:44 <marcosc> TOPIC: Sharing update
15:33:59 <schuki> marcosc: no update ;.;
15:34:12 <schuki> ... still hopeful this will happen soon
15:34:32 <schuki> schuki: we still looking at sharing maps urls?
15:34:47 <schuki> marcosc: this has happened, so not much has changed since the last call
15:35:33 <marcosc> TOPIC: New work for the next few months!
15:36:22 <marcosc> schuki: want to talk to some people about what we should do in the next few months
15:36:36 <marcosc> schuki: was hoping to get more use case and requirements from the group
15:37:18 <marcosc> schuki: been talking to people here at the IETF about the importance of the data API work
15:38:43 <marcosc> schuki: it would be great to see if anything come out of the TPAC sessions with regards to new work. Wanted to also have another look at Dom's API gap to see if there is new work opportunities there.
15:40:31 <marcosc> ACTION: Natasha and Dom to coordinate on new work items
15:40:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-105 - And dom to coordinate on new work items [on Natasha Rooney - due 2014-11-19].
15:40:33 <schuki> schuki: i'll setup a call with dom to discuss
15:40:46 <marcosc> TOPIC:  AOB
15:41:05 <dka> booo
15:41:14 <dka> :/
15:41:22 <schuki> marcosc: stepping down as chair from this group in december
15:41:32 <dka> yay
15:41:42 <schuki> marcosc: but i will be back! after 4 months!
15:43:22 <Zakim> -dom
15:43:22 <dka> ciao
15:43:25 <Zakim> -[IPcaller.a]
15:43:28 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:43:28 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:43:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/12-webmob-minutes.html dom
15:43:29 <Zakim> -DanSun
15:43:46 <Zakim> -DKA
15:43:47 <Zakim> MWI_WBMB()10:00AM has ended
15:43:47 <Zakim> Attendees were dom, DanSun, marcosc, schuki, DKA, [IPcaller]
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