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14:23:14 <sharper> zakim, please clear the agenda
14:23:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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14:23:18 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7394
14:23:18 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
14:23:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference
14:23:19 <trackbot> Date: 12 November 2014
14:24:12 <sharper> Chair: Harper_Simon
14:24:12 <sharper> Agenda+ Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments) [sharper]
14:24:14 <sharper> RESOLVED: Accessibility and Way-finding, Navigation and Exploration systems Online
14:24:15 <sharper> Symposium 3 December 2014
14:24:17 <sharper> Agenda+ Spin Through Note Edit Status: Metrics, Mobile, Text-C, E2R, UM, eLearning [sharper]
14:24:18 <sharper> Agenda+ Symposium Status: Way-Finding [christos, vivienne, annika]
14:24:20 <sharper> Agenda+ Report Titles Survey https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/47076/note-title/ all]
14:24:21 <sharper> Agenda+ ROUND TABLE DISCUSSIONS ON Big Data Accessibility [all]
14:24:23 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - https://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/tracker/actions/open [sharper]
14:24:24 <sharper> Agenda+ STANDING  - Any Other Business      [sharper]
14:24:24 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
14:24:31 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2014/11/12-rd-agenda.rdf
14:24:35 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
14:24:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Welcome & Logistics (Regrets, Agenda Requests, Comments)" taken up [from sharper]
14:24:35 <sharper> Last weeks - and previous minutes can be found at:
14:24:37 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/minutes-history>
14:24:38 <sharper> Keep on-top of scribing at:
14:24:40 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/scribes>
14:24:41 <sharper> Scribing Commands:
14:24:41 <sharper>      - <http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/wiki/Weekly_Call_Scribing>
14:24:49 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
14:24:49 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2014/11/12-rd-agenda.rdf
14:25:55 <sharper> regrets: Silvia, Yeliz, Klaus, Peter, Markel
14:28:45 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has now started
14:28:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:29:01 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:29:01 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
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14:31:46 <Zakim> +??P13
14:31:54 <sharper> zakim, ??P13 is sharper
14:31:54 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
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14:32:11 <sharper> Can anyone here me?
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14:32:22 <sharper> s/here/hear
14:32:40 <annika> zakim, ??P14 is me
14:32:40 <Zakim> +annika; got it
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14:33:06 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:33:06 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
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14:35:20 <christos> I have some problems connecting...
14:35:24 <Zakim> +[FIT]
14:35:26 <christos> in a few minutes...
14:36:04 <Yehya> zakim, [FIT] is me
14:36:04 <Zakim> +Yehya; got it
14:36:35 <Zakim> +??P17
14:36:48 <christos> zakim, ??P17 is me
14:36:48 <Zakim> +christos; got it
14:37:29 <shadi> q+
14:37:59 <sharper> ack shadi
14:39:06 <shadi> schema.org
14:39:13 <shadi> Dan Brickely
14:39:48 <Yehya> SAZ: technical plenary meeting was interesting. semantic web & schema.org,
14:40:45 <Yehya> SAZ: group trying to build schmea for physical accessibility, thus interesting for the upcoming way finding symposium e.g. IBM, Apple
14:41:19 <Yehya> SAZ: Microsoft wants to contribute to the syposium. There is potential interest from industry
14:43:08 <Yehya> SAZ: one of the leaders of the Internet of things from Siemens Germany was very interested in the accessibility aspects. They are collecting use cases for web of things. they want to learn about Challenges and opportunities in this area
14:44:31 <Yehya> SAZ: We need to focus not only on user interface. Furthermore we need to address automatic industry. Mapping and visualization of wayfinding should be addressed in a separate event
14:44:54 <shadi> s/automatic industry/automotive industry
14:45:23 <shadi> Topic: Debrief from W3C Technical Plenary (TPAC)
14:45:36 <shadi> Topic: Status update on Way-Finding symposium
14:46:04 <shadi> zakim, who is making noise?
14:46:15 <Zakim> shadi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sharper (13%), Vivienne (100%)
14:46:22 <Yehya> Vivienne: way finding symposium: We are working on dividing the papers on 4 sessions.
14:47:15 <Yehya> Vivienne: we will follow the way of the last symposium in the way to have a discussion format rather than a presentation
14:47:19 <annika> First thought about sessions is to have 4 sessions (about half an hour each) 1. user interfaces 2. data gathering 3. data format issues - theoretical papers about ontologies, taxonomies etc. 4. way-finding, annotation and integration in existing systems
14:47:31 <christos> Q+
14:48:35 <shadi> ack chris
14:48:37 <shadi> q+
14:49:29 <Yehya> Christos: in addition to what Vivienne and Annika presented, it would be good to prepare an introduction for each paper, then short time to present the papers.
14:50:19 <Yehya> Christos: most papers ar focused on data gathering and formats, some papers about user interfaces. We can ask authors about integration
14:51:29 <Yehya> Christos: In the call we had 3 aspects, so we can divide the s one for data gathering, data gathering accessibility, data format and taxonomies
14:52:58 <Yehya> Christos: we will involve all authors in all sessions. The last half an hour will be an open discussion attracting the audience to stay. We will prepare the agenda until next Monday. 2 hours  + the half hour at the end
14:53:25 <shadi> ack me
14:53:35 <Yehya> Christos: I am wondering if the total time of the symposium is only 2 hours. We suggest to add half an hour at the end
14:54:17 <christos> q+
14:54:17 <Yehya> SAZ: nor problem to extend the symposium. I do not recommend to go for three hours.
14:55:11 <Yehya> SAZ: We should plan a ten minutes break in between. Experience with this kind of organisation was good
14:55:27 <shadi> q+
14:56:24 <Yehya> Christos: I do not know if we will have a 10 minutes break in between  or we should go for a 5 minutes break!
14:57:58 <Yehya> SAZ: The break before the open discussion session will allow people who are not any more interested to go. All others will stay. I still suggest a break after one hour
14:59:13 <Yehya> Christos: The good point is to split in two main one hour sessions and a break in between should be fine.  After then two hours another break before the open discussion session
15:00:52 <Yehya> SAZ: regarding the duration we have flexibility there, whatever you need. You can plan the break as you like. I appreciate organizing by topic rather than by paper. We will follow then the approach as by other symposia
15:01:29 <Yehya> SAZ: please introduce the sessions in a 5 minutes and wrap up at the end as well in 5 minutes
15:02:13 <shadi> q-
15:02:22 <Yehya> SAZ: I like the prepared agenda, you do not need to give all papers the same time, you can separate the session upon your prefences
15:02:26 <shadi> ack chris
15:02:56 <christos> q-
15:03:43 <Yehya> SAZ: How does it look like with Wednesday meeting until the symposium?
15:04:25 <Yehya> SH: this is the last day Shadi will be available on Wednesday before the syposiem
15:04:32 <shadi> q+
15:04:45 <Yehya> Christos: no problem, we will communicate via e-mail
15:04:50 <shadi> ack me
15:05:41 <Yehya> Christos: you usually provide a channel for people to ask questions / input  before the symposium?
15:06:16 <Yehya> SAZ: yes we will put the e-mail address in the announcement. Please contact me for any question until then
15:06:59 <Yehya> SAZ: on the 03.12.2014 we have to cancel the official RDWG meeting as we will have the syposium on that day
15:07:48 <shadi> "3 December 2014: Online symposium event, probably 15:00-17:00 UTC"
15:07:55 <Yehya> SH: 15:00 - 18:00 UTC
15:07:57 <shadi> (from http://www.w3.org/WAI/RD/2014/way-finding/)
15:08:42 <annika> q+
15:08:47 <annika> ack me
15:08:48 <shadi> q+
15:08:48 <sharper> ack an
15:09:35 <Yehya> Annika: will we have an audio recording or just the transcript?
15:09:55 <Yehya> SAZ: not yet! If  needed we can do it
15:10:18 <Yehya> SH: if we want to record, we should inform people before
15:10:42 <christos> q+
15:11:18 <Yehya> Annika: only for the preparation of the note!
15:11:45 <christos> q-
15:12:02 <Yehya> Christos: from the UM symposium it is easier to work with the transcript rather than with audio recording.
15:12:33 <Yehya> SH: it helps if you have the time to listen to the recordings for better intelligibility
15:13:25 <Yehya> SH: you can do it on your own computer for personal use.
15:14:21 <Yehya> Christos: we can contact the authors afterwards to ask abouting missing pieces and confusing transcript
15:15:08 <Yehya> SAZ: if you want it, we should add it to the announcement.
15:15:46 <Yehya> Vivienne: just for personal use.
15:16:45 <annika> Agree with Vivienne.
15:17:33 <Yehya> SH: transcript only should be okay. May be adding recording will add additional overhead e.g. at the registration page!
15:18:43 <Yehya> Christos: may be we should try it at the next symposium!
15:18:52 <shadi> ack me
15:20:21 <Yehya> SAZ: Do not try to cover everything in the symposium, we could discuss aspects in the group as structured discussions afterwords.
15:21:01 <Zakim> -annika
15:21:04 <Zakim> -shadi
15:21:05 <Zakim> -sharper
15:21:06 <Zakim> -christos
15:21:06 <Zakim> -Yehya
15:21:10 <Zakim> -Vivienne
15:21:11 <Zakim> WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended
15:21:11 <Zakim> Attendees were shadi, sharper, annika, Vivienne, Yehya, christos
15:53:17 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
15:53:17 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:53:17 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:53:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:53:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/11/12-rd-minutes.html trackbot
15:53:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:53:26 <RRSAgent> I see no action items