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14:01:57 <jmccrae> Scribe: John
14:02:02 <jmccrae> Chair: John
14:03:06 <jgracia> particiant+ jorge
14:03:25 <jgracia> participant+ lupe, elena
14:03:30 <jmccrae> Present: John, Francesca F, Jorge, Lupe, Elena, Fahad
14:03:39 <jgracia> participant+ jorge
14:05:31 <jgracia> agenda: https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2014.31.10,_15-16_pm_CET
14:05:57 <jgracia> topic: Final discussion on categories in vartrans module
14:06:27 <jgracia> Elena's email commented
14:07:49 <jgracia> John: someone from EC wanted to model relation French <-> France
14:09:07 <jgracia> Lupe: what about Spaniard <-> Spanish ?
14:09:58 <jgracia> lupe: I do not keel happy with the derivation variant do <-> undo, better this one France - French
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14:11:14 <jgracia> Francesca: the relation is useful only if you know what type of relation it is
14:13:20 <jgracia> Francesca: what you want to capture is lexical relatedness
14:15:13 <jgracia> John: it is useful to represent what is the adjetive form (French) associated, derived, from that noun (France)
14:17:04 <jgracia> Elena: this example is difficult to accommodate in our current classification of variants, which was made from a different persective
14:18:16 <jgracia> Lupe: denominative variations (a concept with different forms) is something different from lexical relatedness
14:20:06 <jgracia> Elena: superclass lexical relation, subclass 'variation' in the usual sense and another for 'derivational' related meanings
14:20:19 <jgracia> jorge: what if we support both things in different modules
14:23:34 <jmccrae> http://lemon-model.net/lexica/uby/ow_eng/OW_eng_LexicalEntry_26357
14:23:40 <jmccrae> http://lemon-model.net/lexica/uby/ow_eng/OW_eng_LexicalEntry_33371
14:25:31 <jgracia>  Elena: I agree on moving these relations into another module
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14:28:21 <jgracia> fahad: antonymy can be also be established at the level of forms
14:28:35 <jgracia> ... within the same synset
14:31:18 <jgracia> elena: add a morphological module or let's make the scope of vartrans wider
14:32:55 <jgracia> john: let's make vartrans module bigger
14:35:06 <jgracia> jorge: let's split in two, otherwise it will difficult to adopt and will oblige users to deal with a large complex module to make simple things (e.g. translation)
14:35:38 <jgracia> john: but they would be very similar (source, target properties etc.)
14:38:00 <jgracia> elena: but translation source is very different than derivation source for instance
14:44:15 <jgracia> Francesca: I am happy with current Elena's classification
14:56:59 <jgracia> we have to support generic relations but how? one, two modules? core?
14:57:26 <jgracia> john: add superproperties of variants for generic relations
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15:02:55 <jgracia> Elena: john, why not summarise your technical concerns in an email or document about the current definitions of variations?
15:05:04 <jgracia> Everybody to send their proposal, if any
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15:09:31 <jgracia> Other point of the agenda postponed
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