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16:38:26 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Editorial Meeting, San Mateo, CA, USA
16:38:31 <Steven> Chair: Steven
16:38:39 <Steven> Presnet: Steven, Nick, Erik
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16:41:06 <Steven> Agenda+Duration types
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16:42:11 <Steven> Agenda+Duration types
16:42:34 <Steven> Agenda+Edits still to be made
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16:45:12 <Steven> Agenda+Schema changes for @label etc.
16:49:37 <Steven> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:49:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Duration types" taken up [from Steven]
16:49:39 <nvdbleek> ACTION-1984?
16:49:39 <trackbot> ACTION-1984 -- Nick Van Den Bleeken to Summarise duration types clashes -- due 2014-10-29 -- OPEN
16:49:39 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/actions/1984
16:49:57 <nvdbleek> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-functions/#duration-subtypes
16:50:34 <nvdbleek> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#dt-dayTimeDuration
16:51:16 <Steven> Erik: I noticed that these two types were defined a long time ago by XForms but since then have been taken up by XPath 2 and Schema 1.1
16:51:33 <Steven> ... though they don't refer to each other
16:51:38 <nvdbleek> xforms:dayTimeDuration inherits from xsd:duration and not xs:dayTimeDuration
16:51:50 <Steven> ... maybe for dependency reasons
16:52:00 <Steven> ... so they are redundant in XFOrms
16:52:05 <Steven> s/O/o/
16:53:32 <Steven> ... our daytimeduration was not a union with empty
16:53:43 <Steven> ... and the same is true of xf:email
16:53:49 <Steven> Steven: Well we need to fix that
16:55:04 <Steven> Nick: the text says that it is derived from xs:duration, but in fact it isn't
16:55:23 <Steven> ... we should check the schema
16:55:55 <Steven> Steven: If schema has them, we should use them, and add empty
16:57:12 <Steven> Erik: If we do that it will make an incompatibilty with XForms 1.1, since it will now accept empty
16:57:59 <nvdbleek> The schema https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/xformsusers/file/88aaa18ff8a3/2.0/core/schema/xsd/XForms-20-Schema.xsd#l1584 derives from xsd:duration
16:58:27 <Steven> Steven: But if someone has pointed the lack of empty out in XF1.1, we would have accepted it as an error. It should be seen as an erratum
16:59:08 <Steven> Nick: The schema says that they accept empty, so we may be alright.
16:59:33 <Steven> ... the one in the spec definitely allows empty
16:59:48 <Steven> ... see section 5.2.4
17:00:04 <Steven> ... https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#dt-dayTimeDuration
17:01:10 <Steven> Steven: xf:email allows empty too, so we're safe.
17:02:14 <Steven> Erik: We had to change the definition of email
17:02:19 <ebruchez> info@orbeon.com/
17:02:20 <Steven> Steven: Send an error report then!
17:02:33 <Steven> Erik: Ending with a slash would work
17:02:44 <Steven> ... but shouldn't
17:03:58 <ebruchez> info@orbeon is valid too
17:04:19 <Steven> Steven: THis is the most revcent spec: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5321
17:07:34 <Steven> ... and http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5322#section-3.4.1
17:09:12 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
17:09:24 <Steven> Erik: It is a problem, all the same
17:09:37 <Steven> Nick: There are new specs for international domains as well
17:10:45 <Steven> Erik: The data type lets too many things through
17:11:38 <Steven> Nick: The spec should allow an implementation to do more checks on the types
17:11:44 <Steven> s/types/type/
17:12:18 <Steven> ... such as checking the existence of the domain
17:19:39 <Steven> Steven: How abut http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6530
17:19:47 <Steven> s/abut/about/
17:21:34 <Steven> Nick: Take offline?
17:21:36 <Steven> Steven: OK
17:21:42 <Steven> Nick: back to duration
17:22:11 <nvdbleek> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/xformsusers/file/88aaa18ff8a3/2.0/core/schema/xsd/XForms-20-Schema.xsd#l1584
17:22:29 <Steven> Nick: In our schema for daytimeduration and yearmonthduration
17:22:35 <Steven> ... we don't allow empty
17:22:59 <Steven> ... because it is a restriction on xsd:duration, and should be string
17:23:28 <Steven> Erik: The spec text is compatible, but does allow empty
17:25:08 <Steven> Nick: Let me just do an experiment with the current schema
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17:26:58 <Steven> Erik: There is a wording problem in the spec, using "derives" in the wrong way
17:27:19 <Steven> ... but conceptually does the right thing
17:27:41 <Steven> Steven: So we use the xsd version and union it with empty. Good
17:32:57 <nvdbleek> <xs:simpleType name="dayTimeDuration">
17:32:57 <nvdbleek> 			<xs:union memberTypes="xs:duration">
17:32:59 <nvdbleek> 				<xs:simpleType>
17:33:00 <nvdbleek> 					<xs:restriction base="xs:string">
17:33:02 <nvdbleek> 						<xs:length value="0"/>
17:33:03 <nvdbleek> 					</xs:restriction>
17:33:05 <nvdbleek> 				</xs:simpleType>
17:33:06 <nvdbleek> 			</xs:union>
17:33:07 <nvdbleek> 		</xs:simpleType>
17:33:44 <nvdbleek> s/xs:duration/xs:dayTimeDuration/
17:35:41 <Steven> Steven: I have made the corresponding changes
17:35:52 <Steven> ... in the spec
17:36:57 <nvdbleek> Nick: hmm we can’t do it like this because the xs:dayTimeDuration is a Schema 1.1 and our schema is 1.0
17:42:33 <Steven> Erik: Then we use XPath 2.0
17:42:54 <Steven> ... data model, that we reference
17:43:05 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath-datamodel/#types-predefined
17:48:37 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to clean up references to XPath Data Model (capitalisation and ref)
17:48:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1985 - Clean up references to xpath data model (capitalisation and ref) [on Steven Pemberton - due 2014-11-07].
17:52:50 <Steven> Steven: I have changed the wording of 5.2.1 to mention that the types come from XSD or XDM
18:02:56 <Steven> Nick: I have updated the schema
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18:17:44 <ebruchez>    <item label="Cash" value="cash"/>
18:17:44 <ebruchez>    <item label="Credit" value="cc"/>
18:30:04 <ebruchez> <instance id="headers">
18:30:05 <ebruchez>     <my-headers>
18:30:06 <ebruchez>         <my-header><name>Content-Type</name><value>application/xml</value></my-header>
18:30:08 <ebruchez>         <my-header><name>Accept</name><value>application/xml,text/json</value></my-header>
18:30:09 <ebruchez>     </my-headers>
18:30:11 <ebruchez> </instance>
18:30:12 <ebruchez> <header ref="instance('headers')/my-header" name="{name}" value="value"/>
18:30:14 <ebruchez> produces 2 headers:
18:30:15 <ebruchez>     Content-Type: application/xml
18:30:15 <ebruchez>     Accept: application/xml,text/json
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20:38:16 <Steven> [Lunch]
20:38:37 <Steven> STeven: I have now finished adding @name and @ value to <header>
20:38:42 <Steven> s/ST/St/
20:39:05 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#submit-header
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20:42:33 <Steven> i/Steven: I have now finished adding @name and @ value to <header>/Topic: Editing session
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20:53:10 <Steven> I added @value to element value inthe overview
20:53:24 <Steven> Nick: I have updated the schema for @label etc.
20:57:55 <nvdbleek> link to diff https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/xformsusers/diff/1180ef4957b0/2.0/core/schema/xsd/XForms-20-Schema.xsd
21:03:42 <nvdbleek> agenda?
21:19:49 <Steven> Steven: Does https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#Typed_Values need to be updated with the new duration types?
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21:28:41 <nvdbleek> http://www.w3.org/TR/xpath20/#id-typed-value
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21:48:54 <ebruchez> http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt20/#built-in-types
21:49:16 <Steven> Erik: This is where the list comes from
22:05:23 <Steven> Steven: I have modified section 4.3 to refer to the types in 5.2.1
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