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15:59:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:59:43 <Zakim> "WAI_PF" matches WAI_PF()11:00AM, and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM, trackbot
15:59:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:59:44 <trackbot> Date: 30 October 2014
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16:03:13 <MichaelC> zakim, this is wai_pf()
16:03:13 <Zakim> MichaelC, I see WAI_PF()11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be wai_pf()".
16:03:19 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 92473
16:03:19 <Zakim> MichaelC, I see WAI_PF()11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be 92473".
16:03:31 <MichaelC> zakim, this will be 92473
16:03:31 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; I see WAI_PF()11:00AM scheduled to start 63 minutes ago
16:03:46 <MichaelC> rrsagent, do not start a new log
16:04:14 <MichaelC> agenda: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/meetings/tp2014.html
16:04:16 <MichaelC> chair: Janina_Sajka
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16:06:01 <JF> agenda?
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16:06:17 <MichaelC> zakim, clear agenda
16:06:19 <Zakim> agenda cleared
16:06:30 <jongund> #svg
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16:07:08 <jongund> JS: Lunch is from 1-2
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16:07:21 <jongund> JS: Meeting with digital publishing after lunch
16:07:30 <jongund> JS: SVG and HTML this morning
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16:08:28 <jongund> JS: People please introduce themselves
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16:10:01 <MichaelC> present: Janina_Sajka, John_Foliot, Michael_Cooper, Bo_Campbell, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Fred_Esch, Kaz_Ashimura, Joanie_Diggs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Jon_Gunderson, Shane_McCarron, Francois_Daoust, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Markku_Hakkinen, Marc_Johlic, Daniel_Davis
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16:10:50 <jongund> JS: We are 4 minutes early
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16:12:19 <JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-a11y-reqs/
16:12:35 <JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist
16:12:41 <jongund> JS: We need a bigger room next year
16:12:54 <jongund> JS: It will continue to get bigger with new initiatives
16:13:05 <jongund> JS: Most of our work with the HTML task force
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16:13:47 <jongund> MC: Nobody has called in yet, so we don't need the bridge
16:14:15 <jongund> JS: JF setup a meeting at Stanford on media accessibility
16:14:26 <jongund> JS: We need a requirements document
16:14:39 <jongund> JS: Some of the technologies are older than the web
16:14:51 <jongund> JS: There are some new version based on the old technology
16:15:06 <jongund> JS: Planning on publishing as a W3C note
16:15:30 <jongund> JS: We almost have support for almost everything in the document, SF can give more details
16:15:46 <jongund> JS: The WebTV working group has their own specs
16:16:06 <jongund> JS: I am very proud of the requirements documents and a showcase doc
16:16:24 <jongund> JS: We want to see this delivered to people around the world
16:16:58 <jongund> KAZ: Review WebTV accessibility requirements
16:17:21 <jongund> SF: I pasted in the URLs to the requirements, including the checklist
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16:17:58 <jongund> SF: The creation of accessible media, how people with different with different types of disabilities use content
16:18:14 <jongund> SF: we looked at the requirements of the system, like the need for controls
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16:18:39 <jongund> SF: This is a requirement that we need, based on the needs of people with disability
16:19:04 <jongund> SF: On monday we identified a need for clean audio, filter out background sounds for example
16:19:42 <jongund> SF: Another requirement is time shifting, video description ....
16:20:16 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/New_Ideas#UC2-6_Clean_Audio tv use cases/requirements for accessibility
16:20:40 <jongund> SF: The supplemental voice describes something in the video, it traditionally is a human voice, it is a third voice that needs to fit in the quiet of the other speakers
16:20:53 <jongund> SF: It could be voiced text, instead of a human
16:21:24 <jongund> SF: 120 wpm is typical speech rate, people who use screen readers can often listen to speech at higher rates
16:21:46 <jongund> SF: those are some of the requirements we are looking at, we do not have implementation of all these
16:22:22 <jongund> JS: All the different types of MAUR....
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16:22:39 <jongund> JS: We need examples that people can test their implementations
16:23:01 <ddavis> Present+ Hisayuki
16:23:01 <ddavis> Present+ Taku
16:23:01 <ddavis> Present+ Hiroto
16:23:01 <ddavis> Present+ Shoko
16:23:01 <ddavis> Present+ Kazuhiro
16:23:02 <ddavis> Present+ Yosuke
16:23:05 <jongund> KAZ: Thank you very much, the IRC has the second round use cases
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16:23:12 <ddavis> Present+ Kaz
16:23:12 <ddavis> Present+ Daniel
16:23:50 <jongund> KAZ: One of the key features of WebTV is very important, we talked to JS and SF about clean audio, on WebVT wiki
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16:24:22 <jongund> KAZ: We already generated many use cases, we need to reconsider from accessibility use cases
16:25:37 <jongund> Yosuke: Today we have second largest TV, we have a guest today from Japanese government and network
16:26:09 <jongund> Yosuke: We think it is difficult to explain to production guys, challenge to us to raise awareness
16:26:41 <jongund> Yosuke: We need legislation to require the use of these features
16:26:52 <jongund> Yosuke: We need something to make this happen
16:27:21 <jongund> Yosuke: How do you approach governments, or your out reach plans, like Comcast
16:27:52 <jongund> Yosuke: If we can come up with good ways to out reach plans
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16:28:36 <jongund> JS: This group would not be talking to the government, but people we know do that, yesterday we had an FCC commisioner here
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16:28:56 <JF_> Q+
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16:29:18 <MichaelC> present+ James_Craig
16:29:23 <jongund> JS: As content migrates to the web, there is no restrictions on "spectrum", does not have traditional limits of over the air broadcasting
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16:30:04 <jongund> JS: We have a solution if government says you need to do this, clean audio is a first step
16:30:12 <Ryladog_> q+
16:30:24 <jongund> JS: JF described it as a high contrast version of audio
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16:30:40 <jongund> JS: People who benefit are people who are hard of hearing
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16:31:11 <jongund> JS: The dialog of the news caster or sports announcer is much louder than the background noises
16:31:39 <Rich1> q+
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16:31:52 <Rich1> ack JF_
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16:31:56 <jongund> JS: We need to write up scenarios , build profiles on your sound board, you can create a clean audio during production
16:32:44 <jongund> JF: We also looked at other standards, we mapped to a AAA requirement of WCAG 2.0, SC 1.4.7
16:33:08 <jongund> JF: ...reads SC 1.4.7 ...
16:33:20 <JF_> http://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/101100_101199/101154/01.09.01_60/ts_101154v010901p.pdf
16:33:28 <jongund> JF: There is a normative ETSI
16:33:43 <jcraig> agenda?
16:34:19 <jongund> JF: It is not so much the primary audio track, if you had multi-channel, this would be a secondary track in parallel, user agents can allow use to choose
16:34:26 <Rich1> q?
16:34:26 <jongund> JS: BBC does it this way
16:34:43 <jongund> JF: We now go back to the
16:34:56 <jongund> Yosuke: Do you have plans on best practices?
16:35:04 <jongund> JS: Yes I would like to do that
16:35:13 <jongund> Yosuke: That would really help
16:35:23 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#visual-audio-contrast WCAG 2.0
16:35:31 <Rich1> ack Ryladog_
16:36:16 <jongund> Katie: I am wondering if there is no restriction on "spectrum", but is there restrictions against bandwidth, if this bandwidth, deliver this
16:36:31 <jongund> Katie: The size and bandwidth is important
16:37:21 <jongund> JF: I think you are right, deliver over the web, HTML 5 you can query on information including bandwidth to get content
16:37:40 <jongund> JF: We have not specified that, we can go back to the technical people on that
16:37:48 <Rich1> q?
16:38:01 <jongund> JS: That is more about user agents allow user to choose
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16:38:15 <jongund> JS: That has not be focus
16:38:42 <jongund> JC: Content negotiation is already apart of HTML5
16:39:00 <jongund> JC: The priority is highest quality based on bandwidth
16:39:20 <jongund> JF: Users still might want a choice from A or B if B has the clean track
16:39:37 <jongund> JC: There is already a priority for audio descriptions
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16:39:52 <jongund> JF: That needs to be part of the media query
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16:40:06 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
16:40:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see JasonJGW
16:40:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see marcjohlic, ShaneM_, jcraig, cyns, JF_, Rich1, Ryladog_, mhakkinen, kaz, hiroto, kinjim__, taku, shoko, khoya, jeanne, yosuke, MichaelC, jongund, liam, RRSAgent,
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16:40:26 <jongund> RS: Are they using a finite ..., BBC breaks it out as a separate track?
16:40:31 <jongund> JS: Yes
16:40:40 <jongund> MC: We have someone on the phone
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16:41:20 <MichaelC> zakim, call suite1234
16:41:20 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
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16:41:54 <jongund> JF: The ITSC document is a mixed at the receiving end, lets not worry about the delivery method, it can be done at either end
16:42:12 <jongund> RS: Is it a separate voice channel
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16:42:46 <jongund> JF: There is 2 audio track, track 2 has the clean audio
16:42:55 <jcraig> q+ yosuke
16:43:02 <jongund> JS: We need to get the BBC involved, since they have done it
16:43:19 <jongund> RS: I want to understand what you are asking the producers to do
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16:43:46 <jongund> JF: Either a separate media source, when it is available give it to me
16:44:27 <jongund> JS: One of the things we ask to send to another device, you could send the audio to a filter device
16:44:40 <jongund> JS: Something that could be used in movie theaters
16:44:50 <Rich1> q?
16:45:00 <jcraig> ack y
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16:45:18 <jongund> Yosuke: JS provided clean audio to WebTV group, we had a joint meeting
16:45:57 <Rich1> q?
16:46:10 <jongund> Yosuke: One of these screens it has different code or time stamp, basic way a media controller API...
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16:46:50 <jongund> Yosuke: Lets assume they all have the same time stamp, how do we mix these, try to provide clean audio...
16:47:12 <Rich1> q?
16:47:12 <jcraig> q+
16:47:21 <jcraig> q+ to ask why the time code is different
16:47:24 <jongund> Yosuke: The time code can be different causes a disconnect between visual and audio
16:47:25 <jcraig> ack me
16:47:25 <Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to ask why the time code is different
16:47:26 <Rich1> ack jcraig
16:47:31 <JF_> Q+
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16:47:38 <jongund> JC: Why is it that the time code different?
16:47:58 <jongund> JC: You want them at the player ...
16:48:13 <Rich1> q?
16:48:14 <jongund> Yosuke: These are just streams, like live broadcasts
16:48:21 <Rich1> ack JF_
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16:48:37 <jongund> JF: How does this different from picture in picture in sign language
16:48:56 <jongund> Yosuke: It is the same, we need additional information
16:48:56 <Rich1> q?
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16:49:39 <jongund> JF: in HTML5 right now, you can have your support resources "in band" or "out of band", so you might have your audio description that would need to be coordinated
16:49:42 <Rich1> q?
16:50:04 <jongund> JF: This problem is a little bigger than accessibility, we may not be the group to give the answer
16:50:14 <jasonjgw> michaelc, I'll ask for room 1234 when you go ahead.
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16:50:21 <MichaelC> zakim, call suite1234
16:50:21 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; the call is being made
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16:50:29 <jongund> Shane: It is completely different for text and audio streams
16:50:32 <Rich1> q?
16:50:42 <jongund> JF: How is it identified
16:50:50 <Rich1> q?
16:51:16 <jongund> JF: If you are identify what these alternative sources are
16:51:27 <jongund> Shane: There is a label on it
16:51:48 <jongund> JS: My take away is to create some examples
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16:52:14 <jongund> JC: We should start with non-live content
16:52:23 <Rich1> q?
16:52:56 <jongund> Yosuke: We are starting to deal with that issue, we would like someone to collaborate with, we think it is essential for clean audio
16:53:02 <Rich1> q?
16:53:12 <jongund> JF: We can support the use case requirement
16:53:16 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/New_Ideas#UC2-4_Related_Media_Stream_Synchronization fyi, there is another tv requirement on synchronization as well
16:53:27 <jongund> JC: Yu should raise that in the HTML working group
16:53:27 <Rich1> q?
16:53:40 <kaz> s/Yu/You/
16:53:42 <jongund> JS: We may need an issue in the task force
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16:53:56 <jongund> JC: I don't think it is specific to accessibility
16:54:06 <jongund> JF: But it is important to accessibility
16:54:16 <jongund> JS: Is mark back?
16:54:16 <MichaelC> present+ Mark_Sadecki
16:54:21 <ddavis> q+
16:54:37 <jongund> MS: SVG can meet from 10:00-10:45
16:54:51 <jongund> MS: They are where Indie is
16:55:00 <jongund> JS: We need to get over there
16:55:20 <jongund> MC: Jason is trying to join, what do we say to him
16:55:28 <jongund> JS: Go tot he SVG channel
16:55:36 <jongund> JS: Thank you Yosuke
16:55:37 <Rich1> q?
16:55:44 <jongund> JS: We will keep going on this
16:55:50 <jongund> RS one on the cue
16:55:57 <Rich1> ack ddavis
16:55:58 <jasonjgw> michaelc, they picked up - asked for the name of the guest - I explained what it was and nothing further was said or happened (they calimed they couldn't connect without a name, so I said it was Protocols and Formats working group meeting.)
16:56:21 <jongund> DDvais: You can describe in the label, but maybe you need a taxonomy
16:56:35 <jongund> JF: We don't have any right now, but that is a good idea
16:56:40 <jcraig> jasonjgw: PF group of W3C TPAC in Suite 1234
16:57:03 <jongund> JF: Is there a taxonomy for the aria-label values?
16:57:06 <jongund> RS: no
16:57:08 <Rich1> q?
16:57:24 <jongund> JF: A taxonomy for label terms
16:57:27 <jasonjgw> Thanks. What's the SVG conference code?
16:57:35 <jongund> Katie: That is what I was trying to say before
16:57:46 <jongund> JC: I am not sure what taxonomy for label
16:58:13 <jongund> JF: There are 5 values right now
16:58:32 <jongund> JC: Is that already in the spec
16:58:36 <Rich1> Rich: it is indeed 7841
16:58:47 <jongund> JF: There is a kind attribute on a track
16:58:56 <jongund> JC: it should be enumerated
16:59:10 <jongund> JF: We need to write and extension spec
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16:59:16 <jongund> JS: or errata
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17:22:00 <jcraig> https://www.webkit.org/blog/3302/aria_and_accessibility_inspector/
17:22:00 <jcraig> https://www.webkit.org/blog-files/aria1.0/africa_large.svg
17:23:28 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-svg-minutes.html#item03 Minutes of joint meeting with SVG
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23:44:24 <MichaelC> topic: Meet with APIP
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23:50:22 <MaryJo> MH: IMS Consortium has QTI/APIP which is an accessibility specification - an XML specification for accessibility.
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23:53:29 <MaryJo> MH: QTI has different item types defined, multiple choice (single and multiple selection), matching tasks, question, fill in the blank, etc.
23:53:52 <MaryJo> MH: There are prototypes available for many of these constructs.
23:55:03 <MaryJo> MH: These are mapped into HTML constructs. The QTI model is used for many age groups - K-12, collegiate, post-graduate.
23:55:58 <MaryJo> MH: Demoed some of the prototypes.
23:57:18 <MaryJo> MH: Uses MathML, but also uses some images.
23:58:08 <MaryJo> MH: There are technical challenges in presenting a question that has a drop-down listbox for choosing an answer in the middle of a sentence and how that is best presented to AT.
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23:59:43 <MaryJo> MH: When a math equation or expression is spoken, pauses in the speech may be needed and the length of the pause may need to be longer or shorter depending on the use case. CSS may need to be used to adjust the pause, but there isn't such a construct in CSS.
23:59:48 <MaryJo> ..for speech.
00:00:48 <MaryJo> MH: Some questions contain a passage with multiple blanks and there are different lists of selections for each of the blanks.
00:01:33 <MaryJo> MH: So the challenge is to connect the part of the passage with the possible answers. One possible implementation is using a WAI-ARIA region.
00:02:11 <MaryJo> MH: There will be usability testing done to determine what is the best solution to each of these examples.
00:02:55 <MaryJo> MH: When you hear the paragraph, you hear the blank announced. Then you navigate to the question, select an answer and can hear the sentence again with the answer filled in.
00:03:53 <MaryJo> MH: Will share the examples with the group when they are ready to get feedback.
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00:04:18 <MaryJo> CS: You might consider partnering with IAAP on this.
00:05:50 <MaryJo> MH: Single select multiple choice maps to radio buttons and multi-select multi-choice maps to checkboxes but these have different keyboard operations.
00:06:39 <MaryJo> MH: Instructions will cue how many items to select.
00:07:03 <MaryJo> FE: What about the amount of time given? Aren't these timed tests?
00:07:18 <MaryJo> MH: There are time accommodations made for those who need it.
00:08:47 <MaryJo> Joni: If you want a different keyboard interaction model for the multiple select versus single select you'd have to have a different role and get AT's to implement it.
00:10:26 <MaryJo> MH: We're thinking about presenting the multi-select as checkboxes and give them a different role.  We are creating prototypes to test the different approaches.
00:11:30 <MaryJo> MH: We are also testing the different presentations of the reading passage and questions with replacement words to see how well that is accepted vs. the inline drop-down list.
00:11:50 <MaryJo> MH: We'll be presenting our findings at CSUN in March, if our topic is accepted.
00:13:28 <MaryJo> MH: For editing a passage, there is also punctuation checking and questions on what is the best punctuation which presents different challenges.
00:14:16 <MaryJo> MH: Current tests have several paragraphs of a reading passage followed by several questions so moving back and forth between the passage and the question is definitely a challenge.
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00:15:13 <MaryJo> BC: You might be able to find some issues that can help drive back changes into the design of the testing.
00:15:52 <MaryJo> MH: We're going to collect data over time to see if changing the layout of the information doesn't change the nature of the question and what they are trying to test.
00:16:30 <MaryJo> FE: Do you use charts and graphs in the tests?
00:17:12 <MaryJo> MH: Yes, there are. From simple line graphs where it asks what the slope is to more complex graphs and tables that ask more complex questions.
00:17:39 <MaryJo> MH: Adaptive testing may provide tactile versions of these graphs for the student to utilize.
00:18:50 <MaryJo> MH: Longdesc can be used as an attachment to the image as an embossed file.
00:19:34 <MaryJo> MH: A text description can also be used in the Longdesc.  There can also be descriptions for the test administrator or teacher.
00:20:12 <MaryJo> MH: We are adopting a diagram content model that has more information than current HTML supports.
00:20:40 <MaryJo> JG: How many questions do you do the diagram content model for?
00:21:30 <MaryJo> MH: New questions are all being handled in this way to provide alternate formats wherever needed.
00:23:31 <MaryJo> MH: There is a way for SVG to be converted to a format for embossed output.
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00:24:32 <MaryJo> MH: Image accessibility - you can have a variety of versions of the same image.
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00:26:11 <MaryJo> Joanie: Fill-in-the-blank with choices below can cause issues for low vision users.  Even with live regions - if they are spoken after selections are made, the braille rendering of the filled-in sentence may create issues.
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00:27:07 <MaryJo> MH: For live region example, when you make your selection the sentence is updated by filling in the blank.
00:28:16 <MaryJo> Joanie: The best solution may be an update to WAI-ARIA and the PF working group can help with that.
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00:29:40 <MaryJo> MH: There are issues with translating APIP to HTML and there are some very bad implementations out there.
00:30:39 <MaryJo> MH: I want to get this implementation right.  Tactical solutions are hacks, so we want things to work correctly.
00:32:27 <MaryJo> MH: There is an issue of text redundancy in APIP. An example is correct pronunciation of words.  There are better ways to do it than copying all of the paragraph with pronunciation hacks for screen reader users.
00:33:05 <MaryJo> CS: Is there still a problem with old browser versions being used?
00:33:29 <MaryJo> MH: We will be providing platform and user agent preferences for these accessible versions.
00:34:42 <MaryJo> Joanie: There will have to be a two-pronged approach. There may be things that aren't perfectly implemented now, but we don't want to shut the door on future implementations that are better and reduce the amount of hacks out there.
00:35:21 <MaryJo> MH: We aren't yet saying these implementations we have are the right or only way to do things.
00:35:36 <MaryJo> MH: We'll be doing user testing to find out what works best.
00:36:46 <Ryladog_> http://www.w3.org/TR/pronunciation-lexicon/
00:36:51 <MaryJo> MH: This work falls under books that are used for assessments. For navigation it would be best to be able to call out the reference blocks, its associated question block and be able to easily navigate between them.
00:37:42 <MaryJo> CS: There may be an aside named 'passage' and then the question.
00:38:18 <MaryJo> MH: Students want to test with tools that they use on a daily basis - their own screen readers, etc.
00:38:40 <MaryJo> MH: We want to build in compatibility with their existing AT.
00:39:23 <MaryJo> JG: WAI-ARIA does have limitations that don't account for the special circumstances of testing.
00:40:02 <MaryJo> MH: There are people from testing organizations, Pearson, etc. and want people from AT communities to be a part of this.
00:40:23 <MaryJo> JS: Propose a CSUN meeting about this.
00:40:35 <MaryJo> MH: There will be a panel at CSUN on this topic.
00:41:10 <MaryJo> MH: Last year APIP was controversial at CSUN, and we want to present what has changed and what we have done at the upcoming CSUN.
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00:41:38 <MaryJo> MH: Next version of QTI will be called AQTI - accessible QTI.
00:42:43 <MaryJo> MH: Hashed through a lot of issues with the U.S. Access Board. We want to extend the amount of time for the CSUN panel this year.
00:43:22 <MaryJo> MH: We have large populations of students using this specification.
00:46:12 <MaryJo> MH: Are doing some prototyping using W3C's TTS API, using Benespeak.  We have a JavaScript library with highlighting, TTS, CSS3 markup to used to highlight text as it is read aloud.
00:46:42 <MaryJo> MH: There is adaptive testing with people with disabilities also being done.
00:47:18 <MaryJo> JS: Would like a F2F on location to see what you've done.
00:48:16 <MaryJo> RS: This work was going to be done in a digital publishing sub-group for WAI-ARIA. However the testing is a modular extension of what they're working on - a lot more involved.
00:48:39 <MaryJo> MH: Some semantics can be pushed into the ePub model, but some things we don't yet know how to do correctly.
00:49:19 <MaryJo> JS: Don't need a new group formed on this yet.  We'll need use cases.
00:49:39 <MaryJo> Joanie: Would like to pitch in to help when cycles are available.
00:50:16 <MaryJo> RS: Could devote some time on the Monday calls, but we need to finish WAI-ARIA 1.1 so we can move on to this new work.
00:51:23 <MaryJo> RS: We'll have to talk about the scope of work.
00:52:27 <MaryJo> MH: aria-label is a very popular hack. aria-hidden is also something being used.  These hacks will be hard to get undone later.  Would like to get QTI markup right first and then the transform can be changed later when the standards are right.
00:54:01 <MaryJo> CS: It would be good to be able to skip questions and come back to it later.
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