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15:52:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be AUWG
15:52:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_AUWG()11:30AM scheduled to start 22 minutes ago
15:52:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:52:05 <trackbot> Date: 30 October 2014
15:58:38 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()11:30AM has now started
15:58:45 <Zakim> +Jeanne
15:59:01 <jeanne> zakim, call suite1235
15:59:01 <Zakim> ok, jeanne; the call is being made
15:59:02 <Zakim> +Suite1235
15:59:44 <jeanne> zakim, drop suite1235
15:59:46 <Zakim> Suite1235 is being disconnected
15:59:46 <Zakim> -Suite1235
15:59:54 <jeanne> zakim, call suite1235
15:59:54 <Zakim> ok, jeanne; the call is being made
15:59:55 <Zakim> +Suite1235
16:00:27 <Zakim> -Jeanne
16:09:41 <Jan> Jan has joined #au
16:14:35 <jeanne> Topic: testing
16:14:44 <jeanne> [setting up the Test Harness]
16:16:31 <jeanne> testing DeFacto, TinyMCE, CKeditor, Desire2Learn
16:38:45 <Jan> Starting a wishlist for the test harness
16:39:17 <Jan> JS: Will be starting by looking at TinyMCE
16:39:26 <Jan> JR: Will be looking at CKEdit
16:40:01 <Jan> JR: Entering information into the test harness
17:33:50 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
17:38:17 <Jan> http://ckeditor.com/
17:38:19 <Tim> Tim has joined #au
17:38:39 <Jan> http://www.tinymce.com/tryit/basic.php
17:38:44 <Jan> http://ckeditor.com/
17:40:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:40:30 <jeanne> zakim, IPcaller is Jutta
17:40:30 <Zakim> +Jutta; got it
17:40:34 <Jan> Chair: Jan Richards
17:40:50 <jeanne> present+ Jan, Jeanne, Tim, Jutta
17:43:42 <jeanne> recap of testing results so far:  A.1.1.1  (not tested in detail, but passed with 2 WCAG SC); A.1.2.1 passed, A.2.1.1 (pass), A.2.1.2 (Pass), A.2.2.1 (Pass)
17:54:53 <jeanne> A.2.2.2 (Pass); A.3.1.1 (Pass)
17:57:07 <jeanne> A.3.1.2 and A.3.1.3 (Pass)
17:58:39 <jeanne> A.3.1.4 (Pass)
18:02:57 <jeanne> Customizable Shortcuts for Firefox addon -> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/customizable-shortcuts/
18:10:28 <jeanne> A.3.1.5 and A.3.1.6 (Fail) for both.
18:10:48 <jeanne> A.3.2.1 and A.3.2.2 (Pass) both
18:13:03 <jeanne> A.3.2.3 (Pass)
18:13:42 <jeanne> A.3.2.4 CKeditor has an addon to Auto Save.  CKEditor passes.
18:14:50 <jeanne> A.3.2.4 TinyMCE has an addon Autosave.
18:17:08 <jeanne> RESOLUTION: Agree to accept addons to meet Success Criteria and to record the addon.
18:17:23 <jeanne> TB: There should be a limit to how much you addon.
18:18:06 <jeanne> ... at what point does it become a separate authoring tool that needs to be tested separately.
18:18:32 <jeanne> ... this case is fine, it is bounded.
18:19:03 <jeanne> JR: If the addon is so multi-functional that it becomes a new tool, then it should be tested separately.
18:22:29 <jeanne> Toggle Animated GIFs for Firefox -> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/toggle-animated-gifs/
18:24:04 <jeanne> A sample animated gif from my son for testing http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1412258122241.gif
18:29:36 <jeanne> A.3.2.4 and A.3.3.1 both (Pass) with addons
18:34:09 <Jan> CKEdit addin assumptions so far: Autosave plugin, Browser-plugin (toggle-animated-gifs)
18:34:33 <jeanne> TinyMCE assumes a TinyMCE autosave plugin, and Firefox plugin for Toggle Animated GIFs
18:37:30 <jeanne> A.3.4.1 Pass
18:40:37 <jeanne> A.3.4.2 (Pass) both
18:44:44 <jeanne> A.3.5.1 is (Pass) for both
18:50:00 <jeanne> s/A sample animated gif from my son for testing http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1412258122241.gif/A sample animated gif from my son for testing. warning: Flashes!  http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1412258122241.gif
18:57:24 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
18:58:57 <jeanne> A.3.5.1 requires finding alternative text. All browsers failed searching for alterative content.  This is considered a limitation of the platform.
18:59:11 <Zakim> -Jutta
19:00:12 <Zakim> -Suite1235
19:00:13 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()11:30AM has ended
19:00:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Jeanne, Suite1235, Tim_Boland, Jutta
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20:02:17 <jeanne> rrsagent, this meeting spans midnight
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20:04:43 <jeanne> zakim, call suite1235
20:04:43 <Zakim> sorry, jeanne, I don't know what conference this is
20:04:58 <jeanne> zakim, this is WAI_auwg
20:04:58 <Zakim> ok, jeanne; that matches WAI_AUWG()11:30AM
20:05:10 <jeanne> zakim, call suite1235
20:05:10 <Zakim> ok, jeanne; the call is being made
20:05:12 <Zakim> +Suite1235
20:05:57 <Zakim> -Jeanne
20:06:11 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutews
20:06:11 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutews', jeanne.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
20:06:17 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
20:06:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/30-au-minutes.html jeanne
20:22:30 <jeanne> action: Jan to research the difference between the two tests in A.3.6.1
20:22:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-393 - Research the difference between the two tests in a.3.6.1 [on Jan Richards - due 2014-11-06].
20:24:07 <jeanne> A.3.6.1 and A.3.6.2 both Pass
20:24:31 <jeanne> note that A.3.6.2 for web based tools pass because of the browser.
20:35:12 <jeanne> A.3.6.3 passed for high contrast in both
20:39:04 <jeanne> A.3.7.1 and A.3.7.2 passed for both because they are web based
20:40:34 <jeanne> A.4.1.2 passes on both
20:44:19 <jeanne> A.4.1.3 TinyMCE Passed and CKeditor Failed
20:48:19 <jeanne> A.4.2.1 and A.4.2.2 both passed
20:51:08 <jeanne> B.1.1.1 both N/A
20:53:33 <Jan> For CKEdit: The only automated processes are the choices of markup linked to the different formatting buttons. These are all accessible. No large-scale automation was observed.
21:00:49 <jeanne> B.1.1.2 are both N/A
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21:27:57 <jeanne> zakim, who is on the phone?
21:27:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see Suite1235
21:34:01 <jeanne> B.1.2.2 and B.1.2.3 both Pass
21:36:18 <jeanne> B.1.2.4 both Pass
21:36:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:41:47 <jeanne> zakim, IPcaller is Jutta
21:41:47 <Zakim> +Jutta; got it
21:42:16 <jeanne> B.1.1.1 both pass
21:42:26 <jeanne> B.1.1.2 both are N/A
21:48:19 <jeanne> B.2.3.1 TinyMCE passed at A, CKEditor passed at A (all text alternatives in WCAG are A)
21:54:03 <jeanne> B.2.3.2  both Pass
21:54:37 <jeanne> B.2.3.3 both Fail. they do not save alt text with an image for reuse.
21:55:14 <jeanne> B.2.3.4 are both NA
21:56:20 <jeanne> B.2.4.1 and B.2.4.2 are both N/A
21:56:36 <jeanne> 2.4.3 are N/A
21:56:44 <jeanne> B.2.4.4 are both Pass
21:59:42 <jeanne> B.2.5.1 (AA) both Fail because pre-authored content doesn't support alternative text.
22:00:20 <jeanne> B.2.5.2 are both N/A
22:04:01 <jeanne> B.3.1.1 - TinyMCE passes with Atutor plugin http://achecker.ca/checker/index.php
22:06:41 <Zakim> -Jutta
22:19:17 <Jan> zakim, who's here?
22:19:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Suite1235
22:19:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jan, Zakim, RRSAgent, jeanne, trackbot
22:30:40 <jeanne> Inaccessible file -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/CR20/WCAG2_HTML_Problem_File.html
22:38:09 <Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/tests/testfiles/rex.jpg
22:40:33 <jeanne> B.3.1.2 TinyMCE passes, CKchecker failed
22:50:04 <Jan> CKEdit addin assumptions so far: Autosave plugin, Browser-plugin (toggle-animated-gifs), PerformX OpenAccess plugin
22:54:25 <jeanne> B.3.1.3 Both Passed
22:55:25 <jeanne> B.3.1.4 Both passed
22:58:59 <jeanne> B.3.1.5 TinyMCE w/Achecker passes with export to EARL, and CKChecker fails
23:14:34 <jeanne> B.3.2.1 - 4.1.4 both Passed all
23:15:01 <jeanne> B.4.2.1 TinyMCE failed, Ckeditor Passed
23:18:52 <jeanne> B.4.2.2 both failed.
23:20:12 <jeanne> B.4.2.3 and B.4.2.4 both failed.
23:21:00 <jeanne> TinyMCE addin assumptions so far: Autosave plugin, Browser-plugin (toggle-animated-gifs), AChecker plugin
23:46:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
23:46:25 <jeanne> zakim, IPcaller is Jutta
23:46:25 <Zakim> +Jutta; got it
23:50:11 <Zakim> -Suite1235
23:50:13 <Zakim> -Jutta
23:50:13 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()11:30AM has ended
23:50:13 <Zakim> Attendees were Jeanne, Suite1235, Jutta