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20:12:53 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
20:12:53 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
20:12:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung, Hitoshi, gludi, _M_, Joerg, ryuichi, sakoum, taki, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi
20:13:11 <_M_> present+ Mohammed Dadas
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20:14:18 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
20:14:18 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
20:14:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see yusuke, tdenney, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung, Hitoshi, gludi, _M_, Joerg, ryuichi, sakoum, taki, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi
20:14:24 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
20:14:30 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:14:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/29-wot-minutes.html kaz
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20:15:18 <kaz> Meeting: Next Step for WoT
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20:15:33 <kaz> chair: Dave_Raggett
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20:15:54 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
20:15:54 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
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20:15:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see LJWatson, forty4, MarkCrawford, yusuke, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung, Hitoshi, gludi, _M_, Joerg, ryuichi, sakoum, taki, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi
20:16:08 <AdamB> present+ AdamB
20:16:20 <kaz> topic: Dave's slides
20:16:29 <kaz> dsr: Huge potential, but lots to do
20:16:46 <kaz> ... Gartner's expectation
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20:17:14 <kaz> ... Standards as key to success
20:17:17 <brutzman> Present+ brutzman
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20:17:27 <kaz> Present+ kaz
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20:18:07 <kaz> ... Web standards for services
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20:18:38 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
20:18:38 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
20:18:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see LJWatson_, dan, paulc, frodek, brutzman, AdamB, LJWatson, forty4, MarkCrawford, yusuke, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung, Hitoshi, gludi, _M_, Joerg, ryuichi,
20:18:39 <Zakim> ... sakoum, taki, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi
20:19:01 <kaz> dsr: Internet of Things as the Foundations
20:19:08 <kaz> ... Web of Things as the Skyscraper
20:19:18 <kaz> ... focus on app&service layer
20:19:36 <kaz> ... security is important
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20:19:53 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
20:19:53 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
20:19:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see brianr, LJWatson_, dan, paulc, frodek, brutzman, AdamB, LJWatson, forty4, MarkCrawford, yusuke, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung, Hitoshi, gludi, _M_, Joerg,
20:19:55 <Zakim> ... ryuichi, sakoum, taki, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi
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20:20:27 <kaz> dsr: Data in Context & Real World Models
20:20:32 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
20:20:32 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
20:20:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see dromasca, brianr, dan, paulc, frodek, brutzman, AdamB, LJWatson, forty4, MarkCrawford, yusuke, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung, Hitoshi, gludi, _M_, Joerg,
20:20:33 <Zakim> ... ryuichi, sakoum, taki, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi
20:21:03 <kaz> dsr: need to have a model for different abstractions
20:21:12 <kaz> ... Things & Avatars
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20:21:34 <kaz> ... digital twin
20:21:46 <kaz> ... might have multiple representations
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20:22:17 <kaz> ... each thing can have one or more virtual representations like Avatars
20:22:51 <kaz> ... The Web of Things
20:23:01 <kaz> ... diagram for the workshop in June
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20:23:12 <kaz> ... a huge variety of potential application domains
20:23:34 <kaz> ... communication, samart homes, smart grid, vehicles, building automation, industrial, medical
20:23:40 <kaz> ... Application Domains
20:23:50 <kaz> ... Cyberphysical Systems
20:24:17 <kaz> ... W3C Web of Things Workshop
20:24:40 <kaz> ... Who participated
20:24:46 <kaz> ... 120 participants
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20:25:03 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
20:25:03 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
20:25:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see frodek1, jcverdie, stakagi_, LJWatson, dromasca, brianr, dan, paulc, frodek, brutzman, AdamB, forty4, MarkCrawford, yusuke, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung,
20:25:04 <Zakim> ... Hitoshi, gludi, _M_, Joerg, ryuichi, sakoum, taki, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi
20:26:11 <kaz> topic: Siemens' slides
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20:28:28 <kaz> (take Atomic Use Cases)
20:28:45 <kaz> (Creating a common "Big Picture" based on "Atomic Use Cases"
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20:29:29 <kaz> johannes: situation, proposal and proceeding
20:29:52 <kaz> ... use cases and requirements
20:30:11 <kaz> ... atomic use cases
20:30:20 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
20:30:20 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
20:30:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see frodek, caribou, frodek1, jcverdie, stakagi_, dromasca, brianr, dan, paulc, brutzman, AdamB, forty4, MarkCrawford, yusuke, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung,
20:30:21 <Zakim> ... Hitoshi, gludi, _M_, Joerg, ryuichi, sakoum, taki, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi
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20:31:01 <kaz> johannes: tried to gather use cases from various industries
20:31:53 <kaz> dsr: from the Berin workshop, there was need for launching IG
20:32:13 <kaz> ... IG doesn't work for recommendation specs but work for use cases and requirements
20:32:30 <kaz> ... what's needed for market, etc.
20:32:54 <kaz> ... possible separate task forces for specific technical topics
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20:33:22 <kaz> ... not building new technologies
20:33:34 <kaz> ... but could work on best practices
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20:34:45 <kaz> dsr: would record discussion points
20:34:53 <kaz> bryan: from the earlier session
20:35:04 <kaz> ... a couple of topics on non-screen devices
20:35:22 <kaz> ... one of the key question was how do we address SSL support
20:35:39 <kaz> ... not sure if it's actual problem
20:35:50 <kaz> ... secure WebSocket for TV
20:36:05 <kaz> ... is there a problem for using SSL for local devices
20:36:10 <kaz> s/devices/devices?
20:36:29 <kaz> ... how does W3C handle underlying protocols?
20:36:43 <kaz> s/handle/address/
20:37:06 <kaz> dsr: let me show a slide: Opportunities for Scripting
20:37:18 <kaz> ... e.g., bluetooth
20:37:38 <kaz> ... browsers for direct access
20:37:44 <kaz> paulc: let me be skeptical
20:37:55 <kaz> ... why browsers need these devices?
20:38:13 <kaz> ... upload data onto cloud
20:38:21 <kaz> dsr: interest by companies, e.g., phones, watches
20:38:35 <kaz> bryan: what are your use cases?
20:38:42 <kaz> ... industry IoT?
20:38:56 <kaz> ... connected devices with local namespace?
20:39:16 <kaz> dsr: companies in this area have already started
20:39:42 <kaz> ... this (browsers) is a tiny part of WoT
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20:40:08 <kaz> ... service platforms in the cloud or network edge as well
20:40:17 <kaz> mark: also skeptical
20:40:39 <kaz> ... everyone of them is building their own IoT
20:40:48 <kaz> ... every layer
20:41:06 <kaz> ... my question is why do I need to care about WoT here in W3C?
20:41:20 <kaz> dsr: what value for W3C
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20:42:11 <kaz> ... most of the charter reviewers are from the viewpoints of IoT
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20:42:29 <kaz> bryan: there is a problem to solve
20:42:54 <kaz> craig: need to talk about how to approach
20:43:03 <kaz> ... interested in IoT
20:43:21 <kaz> ... what the duration of the proposed IG?
20:43:26 <kaz> dsr: Next Steps
20:43:30 <ArtB> -> http://www.w3.org/2014/09/wot-ig-charter.html Draft Charter for WoT IG
20:43:31 <kaz> ... link to the draft charter
20:43:49 <kaz> s/... link/dsr: link
20:44:44 <kaz> q?
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20:45:07 <brutzman> Efficient XML Interchange (EXI) is W3C Rec for smaller + faster compression/decompression of XML
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20:46:29 <JonathanJ1> Present+ Jonathan_Jeon
20:46:37 <brutzman> Glue technology:  IoT + EXI enables WoT at edge devices.
20:46:48 <brutzman> Also scales from small things to big data.  Web is bigger than browsers.
20:46:55 <brutzman> EXI Profile for Limiting Usage of Dynamic Memory is now W3C Rec
20:46:55 <JonathanJ1> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:46:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/29-wot-minutes.html JonathanJ1
20:47:31 <brutzman>  EXI Profile for Limiting Usage of Dynamic Memory is now W3C Rec
20:47:45 <brutzman> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-exi-profile-20140909
20:47:48 <kaz> paulc: not planning to use much time for the foundation for the mechanism?
20:47:51 <kaz> dsr: right
20:48:08 <kaz> (Federated Cloud-based Services)
20:48:27 <kaz> (Applications and Services)
20:48:47 <brutzman> Also relevant:  reduced processing, reduced power consumption, increased endurance seems to make WoT more efficient for IoT.
20:49:02 <kaz> dsr: sensors -> service by Cloud A -> Cloud B -> Browser
20:49:18 <kaz> nuance: what's new requirement?
20:49:31 <kaz> ... any discussions so far?
20:49:50 <kaz> dsr: light-weight techniques
20:50:11 <kaz> ... we have to learn existing mechanisms
20:50:29 <kaz> ann: anybody else from manufacturing interested?
20:50:45 <kaz> ... let me know if you're interested
20:51:03 <kaz> dsr: (IoT Technologies)
20:51:23 <kaz> ... CoAP (Constrained Application Protocol)
20:51:31 <kaz> ... HTTP 2.0
20:51:37 <kaz> ... EnOcean
20:51:48 <kaz> ... Infrared
20:51:54 <kaz> ... audio as well
20:52:08 <kaz> ... USB/WiressUSB
20:52:12 <kaz> ... IEEE 1394
20:52:14 <kaz> ... Wifi
20:52:26 <kaz> ... ETSI's LTN
20:52:35 <kaz> ... Weightless
20:52:37 <kaz> ... MQTT
20:52:43 <kaz> ... XMPP
20:52:50 <kaz> ... JSON
20:53:01 <kaz> ... lot's of those technologies are used
20:53:28 <kaz> bryan: primary focus is industry use cases?
20:53:52 <kaz> ... metadata using semantic web?
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20:54:11 <kaz> ... got so from the draft charter
20:54:32 <kaz> joerg: complete example could be the one from the morning session
20:54:42 <kaz> ... display-less device
20:55:03 <kaz> ... can be an atomic use case
20:55:25 <kaz> ... more than just an industry domain
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20:55:45 <kaz> ... I have a device and would interact with that
20:55:55 <kaz> ... blood pressure, etc.
20:56:15 <kaz> ... what is the atomic use case?
20:56:24 <kaz> dsr: (Shared Data Models)
20:56:51 <kaz> ... interoperability depens on shared data models
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20:57:04 <kaz> ... discovery depends on shared vocabularies
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20:57:22 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
20:57:22 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
20:57:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see taki1, ArtB, tomoyuki, taki, JonathanJ1, gludi|4, Youngsun_Ryu, Hitoshi_, caryb, frodek, caribou, jcverdie, stakagi_, dromasca, brianr, dan, paulc, brutzman, AdamB,
20:57:24 <Zakim> ... forty4, MarkCrawford, yusuke, Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung, _M_, Joerg, ryuichi, sakoum, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi
20:57:39 <kaz> bryan: in the social business workshop
20:57:51 <kaz> ... openness of the vocabularies
20:58:06 <JonathanJ1> I have updated some considerations for simple WoT architecture on the breakout session wiki page - https://www.w3.org/wiki/images/c/c6/SimpleWoTArchitecture.pdf
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20:58:11 <kaz> ann: meeting with social web guys
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20:59:18 <kaz> mark: need to resolve IPR policy as well
20:59:26 <kaz> dsr: (End to End Security)
20:59:34 <kaz> ... security is the key for WoT
21:00:00 <kaz> ... devices may not be upgradable
21:00:10 <kaz> ... using physical security
21:00:23 <kaz> ... security requirements depend on domains
21:01:01 <kaz> ... authentication
21:01:05 <kaz> ... identity management
21:01:06 <MarkCrawford> My comment was that the IPR issue has been resolved. Schema.org now uses W3C IPR policy.
21:02:11 <kaz> don: XML encryption, digital signature easily messed up
21:02:11 <kaz> ... encrypt first and compress
21:02:28 <kaz> ... current status is reaching out security group
21:02:50 <kaz> ... digital signature at the binary model
21:03:02 <kaz> bryan: did you mean encryption?  content connection?
21:03:11 <kaz> ... payload encryption?
21:03:31 <kaz> ... should address connection encryption
21:03:51 <kaz> dsr: (Resilience)
21:04:13 <kaz> ... comet Shoemaker-Levy effect
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21:04:26 <kaz> ... make sure of architecture for WoT
21:04:49 <kaz> ... heterogeneous mix of device
21:05:01 <kaz> ... hardware/software faults
21:05:09 <kaz> ... tolerance to failures
21:05:20 <kaz> ... cyber attacs by criminals and hostile states
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21:05:42 <kaz> bryan: strawman discussion
21:05:53 <kaz> ... don't impact Web
21:06:15 <kaz> ... how the Web got influenced?
21:06:41 <kaz> craig: question on abstraction
21:06:56 <kaz> don: don't make the web faster but make it bigger
21:07:13 <kaz> ... our concept today might be narrower than the bigger web
21:07:33 <kaz> dsr: (The Web is about to become a whole lot bigger!)
21:07:50 <kaz> ... (Service Composition)
21:08:00 <kaz> ... ETH-Zurich
21:08:24 <kaz> ... configuration of smart environments Made Simple
21:09:01 <kaz> ... (Intent Based Search)
21:09:05 <kaz> ... for smart search
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21:09:26 <kaz> ... (Discovery)
21:09:45 <kaz> ... need easy way to discovery
21:10:20 <kaz> ... any questions?
21:10:34 <kaz> bryan: there are number of additional things
21:10:51 <kaz> ... probably there are interesting use cases
21:11:17 <kaz> dsr: would ask to support the IG charter and join the group once it's launched
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21:12:05 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
21:12:05 <Zakim> sorry, kaz, I don't know what conference this is
21:12:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcverdie, tomoyuki, pfps, ryuichi_, JonathanJ1, gludi|4, Youngsun_Ryu, caryb, caribou, stakagi_, dromasca, brianr, dan, paulc, brutzman, AdamB, MarkCrawford, yusuke,
21:12:06 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung, sakoum, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi
21:13:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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21:17:46 <kaz> Present: frodek, _M_, forty4, taki1, ArtB, Hitoshi, jcverdie, tomoyuki, pfps, ryuichi_, JonathanJ1, gludi|4, Youngsun_Ryu, caryb, caribou, stakagi_, dromasca, brianr, dan, paulc, brutzman, AdamB, MarkCrawford, yusuke, kaz, Claes, GeunHyung, sakoum, bryan, Tomoki, yohsumi, Mohammed
21:18:07 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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