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15:31:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3694
15:31:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_EOWG()11:30AM scheduled to start now
15:31:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference
15:31:49 <trackbot> Date: 27 October 2014
15:32:12 <Sharron> Chair: Shawn
15:32:19 <Sharron> Scribe: Sharron
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15:54:34 <shawn> zakim, call Suite A
15:54:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'call Suite A', shawn
15:54:55 <shawn> zaki, call SuiteA
15:54:59 <shawn> zakim, call SuiteA
15:54:59 <Zakim> ok, shawn; the call is being made
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15:55:14 <shawn> hi AnnaBelle. we dialed in
15:55:26 <AnnaBelle> Hi, there!
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15:57:01 <AnnaBelle> Want me to phone in?  Since it's not long before I have to leave, I'm wondering if it makes more sense to wait until I get back -- 10:45ish Pacific time?
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16:03:31 <shawn> Topic: Overview
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16:10:46 <shawn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/DEV/deliverables
16:11:51 <shawn> WAi position on accessibility & inclusive design http://www.w3.org/WAI/users/Overview.html
16:12:10 <shawn> W4A paper [@@ shawn add link]
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16:19:36 <shawn> Media Accessibility User Requirements  http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/media-a11y-reqs/#accessible-media-requirements-by-type-of-disability
16:20:13 <shawn> EO doc http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/diversity
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16:27:28 <shawn> topic: Media Accessibility User Requirements
16:27:38 <kevin> Questions
16:28:12 <kevin> Do we want to recommend that the Media Accessibility User Requirements document more closely aligns with the EO document How People with Disabilities Use the Web?
16:30:53 <kevin> kevin: Should Media Accessibility User Requirements not simply refer to the How People with Disabilities Use the Web?
16:31:40 <kevin> shawn: That is one possibility
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16:32:38 <shawn> How PWDS is vetted through EOWG
16:33:44 <kevin> Wayne: Media Accessibility User Requirements does have something more about media
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16:34:13 <kevin> Jon: Tone of voice slightly differs between the two documents
16:34:50 <kevin> shawn: Concern that just linking to the How People with Disabilities Use the Web would direct people away
16:37:55 <kevin> Jon: May end up adding too many specific examples into the main EO document
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16:42:30 <kevin_> Wayne: Would be good if someone could have a general read and review
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16:49:44 <kevin> Summary: Aim to review the Media Accessibility User Requirements to ensure that it is focused only on issues that are related to use of media. This document should include a link back to the How People with Disabilities Use the Web. The EO document should ideally include a link back to the Media requirements as a related resource.
16:52:13 <shawn> s/to ensure that it is focused only on issues that are related to use of media/and comparison with How PWDs --- MAUR focus on issues that are related to use of media
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16:52:29 <shawn> Do want to add anything to How PWDs on media?
16:54:13 <shawn> Probably: MAUR would have some info (for people who won't follow links) and to keep it tightly focused on media. then link to How PWDs.
16:56:19 <shawn> maybeMAUR will suggest improvement to How PWDS, e.g., atypical color perceptions rather than color blindness
16:56:41 <kevin> s/maybeMAUR/Maybe MAUR
16:56:58 <kevin> /me woops
16:57:31 <kevin> s| /me woops||
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16:59:20 <shawn7> 1. anything in MAUR thta we want to add to HowP ?
16:59:25 <kevin> s/thta/that
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17:00:33 <shawn7> 2. What to have in MAUR - probably limited intro and focus only on media specific.
17:00:54 <shawn7> 3. Would links to HowP be in each specific section or only overall at top?
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17:34:54 <shadi> 1:30pm at SFO - possibly 3pm at TPAC if all goes well
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17:36:19 <shadi> is it coffee break now?
17:36:35 <vivienne> hi shadi - yes just took our break
17:37:18 <kevin> Topic: Quickref rejig
17:37:31 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Resource_Redesign/Quickref/Analysis
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17:59:04 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Resource_Redesign/Quickref/Analysis
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18:35:02 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Resource_Redesign/Quickref/Analysis
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20:05:15 <yatil> Zakim, who is on the phone?
20:05:15 <Zakim> apparently WAI_EOWG()11:30AM has ended, yatil
20:05:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharron, yatil, metzessi_, metzessive, shawn, timeless, Armony, RRSAgent, AnnaBelle, Zakim, trackbot
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21:48:18 <shawn> action: Shawn and all change WCAG Overview to WCAG 2.0 Overview
21:48:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-302 - And all change wcag overview to wcag 2.0 overview [on Shawn Henry - due 2014-11-03].
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22:46:16 <Sharron> zakim, call SuiteA
22:46:16 <Zakim> ok, Sharron; the call is being made
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23:04:49 <shawn> 1. quick start - just start here
23:04:49 <shawn> 2. quick ref - filters on wcag
23:05:09 <shawn>  &/or search on wcag
23:07:52 <vivienne> http://www.accessiq.org/web-accessibility-wizard
23:09:26 <shawn> intro stuff e.g., accessibility principles in HowPWDs Use Web
23:10:45 <kevin> scribe: kevin
23:11:03 <kevin> shadi: Three functions/audience:
23:11:17 <kevin> ... Someone new to accessibility and wants to learn more
23:11:46 <kevin> ... This is the progressive disclosure idea
23:11:57 <shawn>  at a glance - accessibility principles - 10 tips
23:12:03 <kevin> ... Next is the 'caniuse' type function
23:12:27 <shawn> http://www.w3.org/2009/cheatsheet/
23:13:00 <kevin> ... Much more task based and includes everything associated with a topic
23:13:50 <kevin> ... Last item is 'I am evaluating/developing to AA using HTML and CSS'. 'Give me a customised checklist'
23:14:17 <kevin> shawn: More of a checklist... such as the WCAG-EM Report Tool list
23:14:31 <kevin> wayne: Use case -
23:14:58 <kevin> ... This data structure violates WCAG identified in audit.
23:15:09 <kevin> ... Experienced developer but not accessibility savvy
23:15:33 <kevin> ... How do they incorporate accessibility into their framework
23:16:32 <kevin> ... How do they find out more detailed information following an audit finding
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23:21:37 <kevin> shadi: Linking to Understanding documents, but tutorials also help connect developers with the required information
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23:36:22 <kevin> Topic: Quick start guides
23:36:45 <kevin> shawn: Not necessarily done by role but done by task
23:37:23 <kevin> sharron: Good to do one for project managers or 'how to integrate into project'
23:39:15 <kevin> shadi: Role or task is a way to think about it. Overlapping responsibilities but what does each responsible individual need to do?
23:41:22 <kevin> vivienne: See a range of role development but could be one person with multiple roles or many different outsourced teams with little communication. Range of project management needs. Accessibility can fall through the gaps
23:42:08 <kevin> ... If there was a quick guide for 'designing', 'pre-implementation', etc. A sheet for each role handed to the relevant person
23:42:24 <kevin> shadi: What is the danger with 'Top 10...'?
23:43:04 <kevin> sharron: Danger is always that this may be viewed as being everything that is needed for accessibility. Needs disclaimer.
23:48:35 <kevin> wayne: Aim is to provide a small set of items that will cover a wide range of issues
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23:50:59 <kevin> vivienne: How do you persuade someone to use good resources?