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14:15:38 <harry> Zakim, this is SOCIG
14:15:38 <Zakim> sorry, harry, I do not see a conference named 'SOCIG' in progress or scheduled at this time
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15:53:40 <MarkCrawford> Harry - I double checked and we do have the Zakim bridge every Wednesday from 12 to 1.  However, at the moment I am getting an invalid passcode.
15:54:07 <harry> Weird. What passcode did you try?
15:54:58 <MarkCrawford> 76244#
15:55:31 <MarkCrawford> I have been on hold for an operator for the last 5 minutes
15:56:12 <MarkCrawford> trackbot, start meeting
15:56:12 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
15:58:40 <harry> It might not let you in until the telecon starts
15:58:44 <harry> Tracker, this is SOCIG
15:58:49 <harry> tracker, this will be SOCIG
15:58:57 <harry> Zakim, this will be SOCIG
15:58:57 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, harry
16:01:01 <MarkCrawford> My email from Maria indicated that we had this every week.and I checked the calendar and it shows us as meeting
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16:02:06 <harry> yes, my impression as well
16:02:14 <harry> am checking with admin/systems team now
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16:02:34 <MarkCrawford> shall we switch voice to my SAP number?
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16:03:29 <harry> Yes, this is really weird
16:03:35 <harry> We may have to - can you set it up
16:03:36 <harry> ?
16:03:46 <MarkCrawford> OK.  Sending an email to the list now with the call details.
16:04:10 <MarkCrawford> Participant Passcode: 439 288 5451
16:04:37 <AnnBassetti> is that the passcode or the phone num?
16:04:40 <MarkCrawford> us 1-866 312-7353
16:05:24 <MarkCrawford> +44 20 3364 5639
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16:05:41 <harry> I'm hearing music Mark
16:05:49 <AdamB> means your in the right place :)
16:05:52 <AdamB> i am too
16:05:52 <AnnBassetti> I'm in .. music too
16:05:58 <harry> ok, ping me when you are ready
16:06:07 <MarkCrawford> bridge opened
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16:08:03 <Lloyd_Fassett_> I'm in now too
16:08:52 <Arnaud> zakim in limbo?
16:09:07 <harry> RRSAgent, generate minutes
16:09:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/22-socialig-minutes.html harry
16:09:08 <harry> chair: MarkC
16:09:19 <harry> scribe: AnnBassetti (in a minute)
16:09:48 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Arnaud do you have the call in information? It was e-mailed.
16:09:48 <harry> Scribenick: harry
16:10:11 <Arnaud> got it, thanks
16:10:59 <harry> rollcall: Anne, AdamB, MarkC, Arnaud, Lloyd, James
16:11:26 <harry> Minutes from last meeting:
16:11:33 <harry> [I'll track them down]
16:12:12 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Link to Use Case list: http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF/Social_Data_Syntax/Profile_Scenarios
16:13:48 <AdamB> does the wiki need to be updated to link to the latest minutes?
16:13:53 <harry> Minutes approved
16:14:03 <harry> [if you can do that real quick AdamB, that would be great]
16:14:08 <harry> topic: TPAC
16:14:36 <AnnBassetti> s/Anne, Adam/Ann, Adam/
16:14:37 <Loqi> AnnBassetti meant to say: I'm in .. music too
16:14:50 <harry> 10-11 on Tuesday
16:14:51 <Loqi> I added a countdown for 10/28 12:00am (#5528)
16:16:39 <harry> Scribenick: AnnBassetti
16:16:49 <harry> I think 10-11 sounds good
16:17:07 <harry> Larry Hawes is not on the call
16:17:20 <AnnBassetti> Mark: next Tuesday, at TPAC, we're slated to present
16:17:39 <AnnBassetti> ... to present use cases to Social Web WG
16:17:47 <AnnBassetti> ... 10:00-11:00
16:18:05 <AnnBassetti> Arnaud:  the WG is meeting on Mon / Tues
16:18:15 <AnnBassetti> ... IG not formally scheduled to meet
16:18:22 <AnnBassetti> .. at TPAC
16:18:29 <AnnBassetti> ... mostly same people
16:18:56 <AnnBassetti> MarkC:  yes, mostly the same, but diffs in who's a W3C member
16:19:20 <AnnBassetti> Harry: also, membership (in WG / IG) will likely change over time
16:19:58 <AnnBassetti> MarkC: mostly an issue of Intellectual Property .. members must make IP commitments; non-members (who are limited to Interest Group) are not
16:20:13 <AdamB> believe i've added link to Oct 01 minutes to wiki
16:20:26 <AnnBassetti> ... clarifying that participants who are IG-only participants, are invited to sit in on WG meeting at TPAC
16:20:51 <AnnBassetti> ... IF there is interest and people can attend, MarkC volunteers to lead an informal IG meeting
16:21:35 <AnnBassetti> best time seems to be Friday, for IG meeting
16:22:24 <AnnBassetti> Harry:  bigger rooms are all filled; but we can find informal space
16:22:41 <harry> scribenick: harry
16:22:42 <AnnBassetti> MarkC: will send out mail to find out who's avail
16:22:58 <harry> Lloyd: I will be leaving Thursday
16:24:05 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Harry: IG Members can attend and the WG meetings at TPAC.
16:24:28 <harry> Only issue would be concerns if substantial techncial points were made that effected implementations
16:24:52 <harry> but use-case and vocabulary discussions, being in remit of IG, would be welcome throughout both Monday and Tuesday
16:25:00 <harry> MarkC: Monday discussion summary?
16:25:02 <Lloyd_Fassett_> MarkC: Status of the Use Cases.  Who can update us from the Monday call?
16:26:08 <Lloyd_Fassett_> AdamB: Ann, Adam and Elf wen through the use cases.  They talked about other use cases and actions looking for inspiration to write a new use case.  Adam discussed a Q&A use case.
16:27:21 <Lloyd_Fassett_> MarkC: Adam, do we know where we have related use cases <garbled>.  Several weeks ago we had agreed to a template for Use Cases.  Are they in the wiki?
16:27:44 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Adam: many of the use cases needed to be broken out into that template separately
16:28:43 <Lloyd_Fassett_> AdamB: Are we supposed to be looking at Profile?  Most are around that?
16:28:58 <Lloyd_Fassett_> MarkC: No, the use case can be anything.  There are no limitations.
16:29:59 <Lloyd_Fassett_> We need to use the template to create a W3C report.
16:31:20 <Lloyd_Fassett_> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF/Social_Data_Syntax/Profile_Scenarios
16:31:47 <MarkCrawford> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF
16:33:29 <Arnaud> +q
16:34:41 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Arnaud: The WG does not have use case requirements.  The IG does not have limitations the scope of the Use Cases.  We can suggest which ones are in scope.  The WG is free to accept it, or filter it and select parts...that's up to the WG.
16:34:58 <Lloyd_Fassett_> +q
16:35:08 <Arnaud> ack
16:35:12 <Arnaud> ack Arnaud
16:36:15 <AnnBassetti> Lloyd:  attended some WG meetings
16:37:30 <AnnBassetti> ... a question about what Boeing is doing with Activity Streams
16:37:47 <AnnBassetti> Adam: we're using SIOC and FOAF in our social tool,
16:38:05 <AnnBassetti> ... have mocked up Activity Streams format, but not deployed
16:38:53 <harry> that is, if you guys can go public with everything.
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16:39:43 <AdamB> there has been limited utilization of the SIOC and FOAF to date
16:40:26 <AnnBassetti> Lloyd, Harry:  would be valuable if Ann and Adam could document our real-life experience with social tool at Boeing
16:40:40 <AnnBassetti> ... could we document our Q&A tool?
16:40:44 <AnnBassetti> Adam:  yes
16:41:24 <AnnBassetti> Harry:  please document what we need for profile federation between tools (e.g., our social tool, plus SharePoint or other commercial tools)
16:41:55 <AnnBassetti> <someone>:  how does Boeing handle declaration of skills?
16:42:16 <AnnBassetti> Adam:  various mechanisms .. self-declared and formal
16:42:32 <AdamB> makes sense MarkCrawford
16:42:56 <AnnBassetti> MarkC: need to back off from drilling down on specific implementations; need to make sure we've captured what we need for TPAC meetings next week
16:43:03 <AnnBassetti> ... need to figure out how to present
16:43:29 <AnnBassetti> ... asking Arnaud how we should present?
16:43:56 <AnnBassetti> Arnaud:  first, give overview of what IG has done
16:44:09 <AdamB> q+
16:44:42 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Q-
16:45:32 <AnnBassetti> AdamB: how should we optimize our time before TPAC?  ... fill in gaps in Use Cases, or formalize the format?
16:45:57 <AnnBassetti> MarkC:  <seeks feedback from group on what to do in next week>
16:46:50 <AnnBassetti> ... will reach out to Larry Hawes to see if he's got time to put together what we'll present to WG
16:47:13 <AnnBassetti> ... if he's not available, MarkC will make a straw horse
16:47:42 <Lloyd_Fassett_> q+
16:47:43 <AnnBassetti> ... everyone should add focus areas and any other info to the wiki
16:47:49 <AnnBassetti> ... the more the better!
16:47:53 <AdamB> +1 on that approach
16:47:59 <AnnBassetti> +1
16:48:31 <AnnBassetti> Lloyd:  if we're adding more, both our use cases and links to the preceding work
16:48:36 <AdamB> q-
16:48:47 <AnnBassetti> ... might be helpful to make a chart illustrating relationships
16:50:49 <Lloyd_Fassett_> q-
16:50:53 <AnnBassetti> I'm still confused about which wiki page is for the use cases
16:51:06 <AnnBassetti> I find:  http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF
16:51:19 <AnnBassetti> and I find:  http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF/Social_Data_Syntax/Profile_Scenarios
16:51:42 <AdamB> the second link is a child page to the first link
16:52:13 <AdamB> all the task forces are listed on the main IG page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig
16:52:20 <MarkCrawford> in  the first link is an area called Use Case Collection by Facus Area
16:52:41 <AnnBassetti> s/Facus/Focus
16:52:42 <Loqi> AnnBassetti meant to say: and I find:  http://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF/Social_Data_Syntax/Profile_Scenarios
16:52:45 <MarkCrawford> which is where you find the link to the social data syntax page
16:53:53 <AdamB> this page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig has a link to: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF which has a link to: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Use_Case_TF/Social_Data_Syntax
16:56:01 <AnnBassetti> (still trying to figure out which Use Case wiki page is the main one>
16:56:25 <AnnBassetti> ACTIONS:  Mark will try to clean up wiki
16:56:50 <AnnBassetti> ACTION:  Mark will contact Larry Hawes to see if he's avail to present to WG at TPAC
16:56:50 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
16:57:07 <AnnBassetti> ACTION:  to all, add more use cases and flesh them out
16:57:07 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
16:58:18 <AnnBassetti> Ann: how are we going to handle all the preceding UseCase work
16:58:41 <AnnBassetti> ... from earlier 2 groups (incubator, etc)
16:59:42 <AnnBassetti> <Ann leaves>
16:59:52 <Lloyd_Fassett_> ACTION: Lloyd to see if categorization for use cases could be useful guide to Types of Use Cases
16:59:52 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
17:00:04 <harry> Scribenick: harry
17:00:16 <harry> EdKatFord: I've moved some of the XG use-cases over, going through them now
17:00:39 <harry> Lloyd: Meeting again?
17:00:45 <harry> MarkC: We can try to gather Monday
17:00:50 <harry> ... probably not time for another telecon
17:01:00 <harry> ... need to finalize what we want to do on Tuesday
17:01:00 <Loqi> I added a countdown for 10/28 12:00am (#5529)
17:01:07 <harry> Lloyd: +1
17:01:15 <harry> Meeting adjourned.
17:01:24 <harry> RRSAgent, minutes
17:01:24 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'minutes', harry.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:01:30 <harry> RRSAgent, generate minutes
17:01:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/22-socialig-minutes.html harry
17:02:33 <Arnaud>  RRSAgent, make logs public
17:02:39 <MarkCrawford> thanks Ann and Harry for scribing and all for participating
17:06:00 <harry> see everyone at TPAC!!
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