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14:52:38 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:52:38 <trackbot> Date: 14 October 2014
14:53:28 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Oct/0016.html
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14:53:53 <paulc> EME bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=Encrypted%20Media%20Extensions&list_id=45497&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advanced
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14:55:58 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
14:56:21 <bevans> is me
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14:58:32 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
14:58:32 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
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15:01:45 <paulc> Regrets were received from Mark W: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Oct/0019.html
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15:06:38 <paulc> Chair: Paul Cotton
15:06:43 <paulc> Scribenick: paulc
15:06:56 <paulc> EME bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=Encrypted%20Media%20Extensions&list_id=45497&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advanced
15:07:10 <paulc> Topic: Outstanding EME bugs
15:07:40 <Zakim> + +1.415.832.aabb
15:07:48 <geguchi> Zakim, aabb is me
15:07:49 <Zakim> +geguchi; got it
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15:08:08 <paulc> Topic: Bug 25923 - The mechanism for checking key system support should be asynchronous
15:08:38 <paulc> Open issues that need to be discussed: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25923#c42
15:09:02 <Zakim> +BobLund
15:09:12 <Zakim> + +1.415.832.aacc
15:09:16 <paulc> David is working is on the open issues and will request feedback when he makes more progress.
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15:09:44 <paulc> Topic: Bug 25966 - Use ArrayBufferView and ArrayBuffer instead of Uint8Array in APIs
15:09:53 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25966
15:10:16 <paulc> This bug is editorial and David is awaiting IDL feedback due to a possible bug in IDL spec.
15:10:25 <joesteele> scribenick: joesteele
15:10:28 <joesteele> chair: paulc
15:10:48 <paulc> EME bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=Encrypted%20Media%20Extensions&list_id=45497&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advanced
15:11:23 <joesteele> Topic: Bug #26332 Applications should only use EME APIs on secure origins (e.g. HTTPS)
15:11:27 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26332
15:11:37 <joesteele> paulc: this is in the security related batch
15:12:12 <paulc> See also security item: Bug 26838 - Normatively address vulnerabilities related to initData contained in media data
15:12:14 <joesteele> paulc: other one in this batch is
15:12:30 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26838#c2
15:12:32 <joesteele> ... I would propose we continue discussing these
15:12:48 <joesteele> ... and have at least these two on the agenda at the F2F and see if we can make progress
15:12:55 <joesteele> ... any others for this batch?
15:13:03 <joesteele> ... David?
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15:13:17 <joesteele> ddorwin: don't think so
15:13:59 <joesteele> topic: Bug#26776 ---	Diagnosing and resolving CDM errors needs a numeric systemCode (deleted with MediaKeyError)
15:14:01 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26776
15:14:06 <joesteele> paulc: Jerry is on point?
15:14:19 <joesteele> jdsmith: yes -- proposal at F2F
15:14:32 <joesteele> topic: Bug#26887 Allowing license servers and CDMs to control data persistence and secure release
15:14:43 <joesteele> jdsmith: we need to update based on comments from last week
15:14:47 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26887
15:14:52 <joesteele> paulc: let me add the minutes
15:15:11 <joesteele> topic: Bug #26738 ---	Add entry for MPEG-2 TS CENC to the Stream Format Registry
15:15:20 <joesteele> paulc: Bob Lund on point for this?
15:15:28 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26738
15:15:33 <joesteele> joesteele: Bob if you are speaking we can't hear you
15:15:45 <joesteele> ddorwin: 26811 is still blocked on this
15:15:51 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26811
15:16:14 <paulc> Bug 26811 - Separate definitions of Initialization Data Types from Stream Format parsing
15:16:15 <joesteele> paulc: David, can you give us the status of 26811?
15:16:26 <joesteele> ddorwin: lower priority, have not done anything recently
15:16:34 <joesteele> ... I am on point
15:16:45 <joesteele> paulc: after this Bob Lund can do 26738?
15:16:48 <joesteele> ddorwin: yes
15:17:08 <joesteele> topic: Bug 26372 Report issues/events not related to a specific method call
15:17:11 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26372
15:17:20 <joesteele> ddorwin: I will implement this proposal this week
15:17:31 <joesteele> paulc: then should be on next week or the F2F agenda
15:17:36 <joesteele> ... is there actually a proposal?
15:17:39 <joesteele> q+
15:17:50 <joesteele> q-
15:17:58 <joesteele> ddorwin: the proposal was Map-like
15:18:20 <joesteele> paulc: looking for a comment to describe that
15:18:30 <joesteele> ... but we have a clear indication
15:18:38 <joesteele> ddorwin: I am doing that
15:18:52 <joesteele> topic: Bug 26811 Separate definitions of Initialization Data Types from Stream Format parsing
15:18:55 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26811
15:19:04 <joesteele> paulc: that status from above is here
15:19:13 <joesteele> ... David is on point, lower prioiryt
15:19:26 <joesteele> topic: Bug 26573 Prepare for Last Call
15:19:35 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26573
15:19:36 <joesteele> paulc: editorial cleanup
15:19:43 <joesteele> s/prioiryt/priority/
15:19:55 <joesteele> ddorwin: on my list, low priority
15:20:13 <joesteele> topic: Bug 24771 Provide guidance on object and CDM lifetime (including when events are guaranteed to be fired)
15:20:27 <joesteele> ddorwin: proposal was accepted - was waiting on respec
15:20:43 <paulc> Previously dependent on https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24322 (new objects and respec)
15:20:54 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24771
15:21:05 <joesteele> topic: Bug 26838 Normatively address vulnerabilities related to initData contained in media data
15:21:19 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26838
15:21:28 <joesteele> paulc: bakc to things that have not been worked on in awhile
15:21:36 <joesteele> ddorwin: added some text to this but left it open
15:21:47 <joesteele> ... in case other things should be added
15:21:48 <paulc> Changes are outlined in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26838#c2
15:22:16 <joesteele> paulc: so we could discuss and possibly close at the F2F?
15:22:20 <joesteele> ddorwin: sure?
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15:22:41 <joesteele> ... could close now
15:22:52 <joesteele> topic: bug 25092 Need a way to inform script that resolution restrictions are applied
15:23:07 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25092#c23 for recent history
15:23:08 <joesteele> paulc: looks like from comment 23 Mark has been talking to www-style about this
15:23:12 <joesteele> ... Mark is not here
15:23:23 <joesteele> ... what should we do if we do not hear back? has been a month?
15:23:32 <joesteele> joesteele: does anyone have direct contact?
15:23:58 <joesteele> jdsmith: think we still have a need - don't want to stream if client is downscaling
15:24:12 <joesteele> paulc: Mark Watson is on point and Paul I will follow up
15:24:25 <joesteele> topic: Bug 25268 Reduce the burden on applications to deduplicate initData from many needkey events
15:24:28 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25268
15:24:58 <joesteele> ddorwin: we tried to fix, but we don't have a good proposal or idea yet
15:25:08 <paulc> See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25268#c6
15:25:20 <joesteele> paulc: who will lead the discussion at the F2F to outline this problem?
15:25:26 <joesteele> ... one of the editors?
15:25:38 <paulc> tl;dr: The current solution is broken and does not help many applications.
15:25:44 <joesteele> ddorwin: not sure we will get any ideas at the F2F
15:25:54 <joesteele> paulc: that would be one route forward
15:26:04 <joesteele> ... if folks come with proposals that would be better
15:26:17 <joesteele> jdsmith: David you opened this bug, do you want to keep it open
15:26:27 <joesteele> ddorwin: I am inclined to close this as well
15:26:33 <joesteele> paulc: that may happen at the F2F
15:26:45 <joesteele> topic: Bug 25217 Add ability to specify license domain for key requests
15:26:48 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25217
15:27:42 <joesteele> joesteele: I think we can do this later -- I will ad a comment to that effect
15:28:00 <joesteele> paulc: we can mark as RESOLVE LATER later
15:28:16 <joesteele> topic: Bug 20944 EME should do more to encourage/ensure CDM-level interop
15:28:35 <joesteele> paulc: this will obviously remain open -- no discussion since May
15:28:51 <joesteele> ... we get flamed when we try to do something
15:28:56 <joesteele> ... we will put on the F2F
15:29:18 <joesteele> ... is this related to the TAG document?
15:29:27 <joesteele> ddorwin: same spirit, but not directly related
15:29:46 <joesteele> paulc: TAG is not meeting in Santa Clara, they had a recent F2F
15:30:05 <paulc> See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2014Oct/0002.html
15:30:46 <joesteele> pal: I think part of the challened if that the TAG is very early in its thinking -- the document has fluctuated a lot
15:31:01 <joesteele> ... once the doc has become more firm, it would be good for us to review this doc
15:31:09 <joesteele> paulc: Mark has done this and provided feedback
15:31:27 <joesteele> ... he responded to Dominics comments
15:31:36 <joesteele> ... composition of the TAG has changed as well since then
15:31:51 <joesteele> pal: it might be for entire group good to consider this
15:32:14 <joesteele> ACTION: paulc to contact TAG and determine what their status is and whether we should review/comment
15:32:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Contact tag and determine what their status is and whether we should review/comment [on Paul Cotton - due 2014-10-21].
15:32:28 <joesteele> pal: that works
15:32:54 <joesteele> topic: Bug 25434 Remove unsupported informative text in Abstract regarding OOB communication.
15:33:09 <joesteele> paulc: about side channels
15:33:17 <joesteele> ... no progress since May
15:33:31 <joesteele> ddorwin: editors closed this bug and it was reopened
15:33:31 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25434
15:33:48 <joesteele> paulc: does that mean the editors would like to figure out something new before the F2F?
15:34:03 <joesteele> ddorwin: there is a philosophical difference of opinion
15:34:14 <joesteele> topic: Bug 24082 Several issues discussed in the TF point to the need for defined extensibility points in EME
15:34:17 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24082
15:34:31 <joesteele> joesteele: very similar to interop bug in my opinion
15:34:42 <joesteele> paulc: have not come back to this in awhile
15:34:57 <joesteele> ... this was opened by Adrian
15:35:10 <joesteele> ... Jerry can you take an action to discuss this with him?
15:35:37 <joesteele> ACTION: jdsmith to discuss bug 2082 with Adrian re - resolution
15:35:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Discuss bug 2082 with adrian re - resolution [on Jerry Smith - due 2014-10-21].
15:35:51 <joesteele> topic: bug 23827 Need to add features at risk prior to entry into Candidate Recommendation
15:35:57 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23827
15:36:01 <joesteele> paulc: looks administrative -- don't need to worry about that
15:36:03 <paulc> Administrative for entry to CR
15:36:25 <joesteele> topic: bug 24874 Positive isTypeSupported() may be misleading (MSE vs. .src=)
15:36:27 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24874
15:36:36 <joesteele> paulc: has not been touched since March
15:36:58 <joesteele> jdsmith: David has the only comment -- think we just need to make a decision - he has three options
15:37:13 <joesteele> paulc: David can we cue for F2f? Or is next week ok?
15:37:49 <joesteele> ddorwin: Jerry is right -- we just need to decide whether to solve. We have another option now based on how MediaKey get created -- bug 25923
15:37:52 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25923
15:37:55 <joesteele> ... I will update the bug with that info
15:38:29 <joesteele> Topic: going forward
15:39:02 <joesteele> paulc: we are in position to move forward on an number of these bugs, I suggest that we give people time to work on their action items and adjourn for the day
15:39:12 <joesteele> ... editors, commenters, etc
15:39:16 <joesteele> ... any comments?
15:40:15 <joesteele> paulc: you will see a detailed agenda from me ahead of time
15:41:25 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
15:41:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:41:33 <joesteele> paulc: ok yo ucan all have 20 min back
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15:41:43 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:41:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:41:43 <Zakim> -geguchi
15:41:46 <Zakim> -jdsmith
15:41:47 <paulc> good morning, everyone
15:41:48 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:41:49 <Zakim> -BobLund
15:41:51 <Zakim> - +1.415.832.aacc
15:41:51 <Zakim> -ddorwin
15:41:52 <Zakim> -cpoole
15:42:02 <Zakim> -pal
15:42:23 <joesteele> s/ok yo ucan/ok, you can/
15:42:45 <joesteele> s/F2f/F2F/
15:42:46 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:42:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:43:12 <joesteele> s/have direct contact?/have direct contact with www-style?/
15:43:14 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:43:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:43:36 <joesteele> s/but we have a clear indication/but we have a clear indication of what to do/
15:43:38 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:43:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:44:10 <joesteele> s/ ---	/ /
15:44:12 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:44:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:44:22 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:44:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:45:00 <joesteele> s/Bug #26332/Bug 26332/
15:45:13 <joesteele> s/Bug#26887/Bug 26887/
15:45:25 <joesteele> s/Bug #26738/Bug 26738/
15:45:27 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:45:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:46:20 <joesteele> s/Bug#26776 ---	/Bug 26776 /
15:46:25 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:46:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:46:58 <joesteele> regrets: markw
15:47:01 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:47:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:47:22 <joesteele> Zakim, bye
15:47:22 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were [Microsoft], jdsmith, paulc, pal, ddorwin, +44.303.040.aaaa, cpoole, +1.415.832.aabb, geguchi, BobLund, +1.415.832.aacc
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15:47:33 <joesteele> rrsagent, bye
15:47:33 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-actions.rdf :
15:47:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: paulc to contact TAG and determine what their status is and whether we should review/comment [1]
15:47:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-irc#T15-32-14
15:47:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jdsmith to discuss bug 2082 with Adrian re - resolution [2]
15:47:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/14-html-media-irc#T15-35-37