12:48:39 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:48:39 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/10/10-dwbp-irc 12:48:41 RRSAgent, make logs 351 12:48:41 Zakim has joined #dwbp 12:48:43 Zakim, this will be DWBP 12:48:43 ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes 12:48:44 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 12:48:44 Date: 10 October 2014 12:52:17 RRSAgent, make logs public 12:56:03 SumitPurohit has joined #DWBP 12:57:16 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started 12:57:23 + +1.626.487.aaaa 12:57:57 lewismc has joined #dwbp 12:58:51 +[IPcaller] 12:59:02 zakim, [ipcaller] is me 12:59:02 +deirdrelee; got it 12:59:12 zakim, who is on the call? 12:59:12 On the phone I see +1.626.487.aaaa, deirdrelee 12:59:51 MTCarrasco has joined #dwbp 12:59:53 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 12:59:55 +??P5 13:00:09 lewismc --> Lewis John McGibbney 13:00:10 zakim, ??P5 is me 13:00:10 +MTCarrasco; got it 13:00:11 HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp 13:00:30 zakim, +1.626 is lewismc 13:00:30 +lewismc; got it 13:00:34 + +1.509.375.aabb 13:00:54 gatemezi has joined #dwbp 13:00:58 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 13:01:00 Hello Folks 13:01:11 zakim, who is on the call? 13:01:11 On the phone I see lewismc, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, +1.509.375.aabb 13:01:13 laufer has joined #dwbp 13:01:14 zakim, +1.509.375 is ericstephan 13:01:14 +ericstephan; got it 13:01:22 Hi Ghislain 13:01:25 + +33.4.93.00.aacc 13:01:37 chair: deirdrelee 13:01:41 scribe: ericstephan 13:01:53 +Caroline 13:01:53 + +1.617.646.aadd 13:01:59 +[IPcaller] 13:02:03 newton has joined #dwbp 13:02:09 Hello Everyone. 13:02:13 Zakim, IPcaller is me 13:02:13 +laufer; got it 13:02:15 Hello all 13:02:18 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141010 13:02:22 Zakim, Caroline_ has newton 13:02:22 sorry, Caroline_, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_' 13:02:24 zakim, who is here? 13:02:24 On the phone I see lewismc, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, ericstephan, +33.4.93.00.aacc, Caroline, +1.617.646.aadd, laufer 13:02:26 On IRC I see newton, laufer, Caroline_, gatemezi, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, lewismc, SumitPurohit, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, trackbot 13:02:27 Zakim, +33.4.93.aacc is me 13:02:27 sorry, gatemezi, I do not recognize a party named '+33.4.93.aacc' 13:02:36 Zakim, Caroline_ has newton 13:02:36 sorry, Caroline_, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_' 13:02:37 Zakim, Caroline_ has newton 13:02:39 sorry, newton, I do not recognize a party named 'Caroline_' 13:02:39 zakim, mute me 13:02:39 laufer should now be muted 13:02:40 +HadleyBeeman 13:02:49 Zakim, Caroline has Caroline_ and newton 13:02:49 +Caroline_, newton; got it 13:03:22 zakim, who is here? 13:03:22 On the phone I see lewismc, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, ericstephan, gatemezi, Caroline, +1.617.646.aadd, laufer (muted), HadleyBeeman 13:03:25 Caroline has Caroline_, newton 13:03:25 On IRC I see newton, laufer, Caroline_, gatemezi, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, lewismc, SumitPurohit, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, trackbot 13:03:48 HadleyBeeman has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20141010 13:04:18 zakim, +1.617.646 is SumitPurohit 13:04:18 +SumitPurohit; got it 13:04:23 zakim, +1.617.646 is SumitPurohit 13:04:23 sorry, deirdrelee, I do not recognize a party named '+1.617.646' 13:04:25 zakim, who is here? 13:04:25 On the phone I see lewismc, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, ericstephan, gatemezi (muted), Caroline, SumitPurohit, laufer (muted), HadleyBeeman 13:04:27 Caroline has Caroline_, newton 13:04:27 On IRC I see newton, laufer, Caroline_, gatemezi, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, MTCarrasco, lewismc, SumitPurohit, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, trackbot 13:04:45 Zakim, Caroline is Caroline_ 13:04:45 +Caroline_; got it 13:04:55 zakim, HadleyBeeman has phila 13:04:55 +phila; got it 13:04:57 deirdre: welcome to lewismc, give a quick intro 13:05:34 yaso_ has joined #dwbp 13:05:40 Zakim, Caroline_ has yaso_ 13:05:40 +yaso_; got it 13:05:40 Zakim, Caroline has yaso_ 13:05:41 yaso_ was already listed in Caroline_, Caroline_ 13:05:46 Legislative informatics: any links 13:05:55 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:06:34 deirdre: work very important to working group 13:06:44 PROPOSED: approve last weeks minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-10-03 13:06:52 +1 13:06:53 +1 13:06:56 +1 13:07:02 +1 13:07:06 +1 13:07:06 +1 13:07:16 +1 13:07:17 +1 13:07:28 RESOLVED: approval meeting minutes 13:08:00 topic: TPAC agenda 13:08:10 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/TPAC_2014 13:09:17 deirdre: thought it would be good the first day looking over the UC requirements 13:09:38 deirdre: should have a really comprehensive list of requirements for TPAC 13:09:52 deirdre: half a day would be sufficient 13:09:59 Can someone please clarify acronym TPAC 13:10:00 ? 13:10:07 Oh F2F meeting? 13:10:15 deirdre: afterward, divide into groups 13:10:18 yes at the F2F 13:10:20 nathalia_ has joined #dwbp 13:10:26 lewismc, it's the W3C's yearly Technical Plenary and Advisory Committee meeting 13:10:38 Thanks Deirdre 13:10:45 thank you HadleyBeeman 13:10:50 no problem :) 13:11:02 deirdre: can attend remotely or in person 13:11:32 action: phil to check zakim booing for TPAC 13:11:32 Created ACTION-95 - Check zakim booing for tpac [on Phil Archer - due 2014-10-17]. 13:11:55 deirdre: editors need to have something in mind in terms of realistic being accomplished 13:12:35 deirdre: at the end of the second day having some tangible deliverables we plan accomplishing 13:12:37 +q 13:13:17 deirdre: even if it is a skeleton we can use that, but something we can work toward 13:13:20 ack SumitPurohit 13:14:07 sumit: question on the agenda, will we use the same irc channel and number? 13:14:24 hadley: yes same way, may do other things like google chat. 13:14:27 q+ 13:14:54 phila: even remote attendees can join split out groups 13:15:11 ack ericstephan 13:15:55 deirdre: used different skype and irc to involve the participants as much as possible 13:16:23 Where are the details to attend remotely? 13:17:26 ericstephan to set on the vocabulary call agenda of what we plan on delivering for TPAC for the vocabulary groups 13:18:01 ACTION: ericstephan to set on the vocabulary call agenda of what we plan on delivering for TPAC 13:18:01 Created ACTION-96 - Set on the vocabulary call agenda of what we plan on delivering for tpac [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-10-17]. 13:18:41 topic: Use Case and Requirements update 13:18:45 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html 13:19:23 deirdre: this is isn't the final version, we wanted a fairly mature document, will want to publish next Tuesday 13:19:43 deirdre: want to get feedback from the community in preparation for TPAC 13:20:08 q? 13:21:04 ericstephan: went through entire UCR doc and in the case of Closed data, find other requirements, based on existing use-cases and see if there are new use-cases 13:21:20 .. added new use-cases, which phil reviewed 13:21:37 phila: 3 new requirements from closed data 13:21:44 phila: put an extra section in the document for closed data 13:21:58 ... added text on closed data that was been worked on on the wiki 13:22:08 phila: there is more to come as deirdre shared 13:22:12 ... there are more use-cases to come, e.g. from Mark Harrison and GS1 13:22:31 phila: this is about asking as many people did we capture your use case and your requirements? 13:22:38 Thank you for context 13:23:21 PROPOSED: publish the next working draft of UC document 13:23:26 +1 13:23:27 +1 13:23:35 +1 13:23:37 +1 13:23:37 +1 13:23:43 +1 --good job 13:23:49 +1 phil 13:23:54 +1 13:24:08 RESOLVED: next working draft of UC document will be published 13:25:11 nathalia__ has joined #dwbp 13:25:12 deirdre: phila will handle the details of making publication happen only happens on tuesdays and thursdays 13:25:23 phila: so next Tuesday will be published 13:26:07 ACTION deirdrelee to send out invitation for feedback on published UC document 13:26:07 Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:26:12 Zakim, yaso_ has nathalia__ 13:26:12 sorry, nathalia__, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso_' 13:26:38 ACTION: deirdrelee to send out invitation for feedback on published UC document 13:26:38 Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:26:46 ACTION: deirdre to send out invitation for feedback on published UC document 13:26:46 Created ACTION-97 - Send out invitation for feedback on published uc document [on Deirdre Lee - due 2014-10-17]. 13:27:04 Zakim, Caroline_ has nathalia__ 13:27:04 +nathalia__; got it 13:27:15 deirdre: review status next week 13:27:18 q? 13:27:50 topic: COMURI draft discussion 13:28:28 Can someone clarify COMURI? --> Community URI specification? 13:28:39 +q 13:28:56 deirdre: more on how to move forward on best practices rather than just focus on COMURI 13:29:15 COMURI at http://dragoman.org/comuri.html 13:29:44 gatemezi: thankyou 13:30:07 caroline_: give a quick update on the proposed structure on the BP document 13:30:22 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Proposed_structure 13:30:25 caroline_: yaso has been helping quite a bit with this effort. 13:30:33 ack Caroline_ 13:30:37 caroline_: this is a proposed structure 13:30:39 q+ 13:31:28 yaso: this is just a preliminary draft, to have a more bold proposal, next week 13:32:01 q+ phila 13:32:35 deirdre: in the long term, what would be a good way to coordinate efforts between sections? 13:32:45 The draft looks quite similar to vocab group workflow... 13:33:18 yaso: we will need to discuss path forward on how to coordinate 13:33:25 ack yaso_ 13:33:32 ack phila 13:33:49 phila: just looking at the list of challenges, the only thing that bothers me it isn't the same list of challenges in the Use Case document 13:34:28 q+ 13:34:41 phila: we had people working on another set of challenges, I'd be more comfortable that the challenges connected better with the challenges in the use case document 13:34:53 phila: we need to be anchored in evidence 13:34:55 ack yaso_ 13:34:57 +1 13:34:57 q+ 13:35:23 yaso: I can speak for bernadette, it is not a question of making new challenges, its a question of fixing the challenges we have at this point 13:35:46 q? 13:36:04 yaso: it is more a matter of rearranging how the challenges are presented, not adding new challenges 13:36:35 deirdre: match the challenges to the BP and the UC challenges might be useful to communicate the structure... 13:36:59 q+ 13:37:00 +1 13:37:07 ack deirdrelee 13:37:19 +1 with deirdree 13:37:32 q+ 13:37:38 hadley: building on what you said we don't have URI, do we lack use cases still for this? 13:37:46 +1 13:37:53 deirdre: very interesting observation 13:38:24 ack HadleyBeeman 13:38:27 ack MTCarrasco 13:39:04 ericstephan: would it be too late to propose a JPL use case for the Use Cases & Requirements doc? 13:39:05 q+ 13:39:33 MTCarrasco: it is quite evident that the URI is important, first step getting into the data is to identify it. 13:39:34 I understand the doc is to be published soon 13:40:01 deirdre: Can you look at the use cases for URI requirements? 13:40:02 q 13:40:11 q+ phila 13:40:17 deirdre: speaking with MTCarrasco... 13:40:32 deirdre: is there enough evidence or motivation there? 13:41:04 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986 13:41:45 MTCarrasco: I already have that action to highlight it, strongly recommends people look at the main reference document for URI follows the existing spec 13:42:27 MTCarrasco: a tutorial or primer could be added to URI as well 13:43:27 deirdre: it is an iterative approach between the documents, speaking as the editor of the UC document, reemphasize the important to making sure the UC document feeds into all our documents 13:43:27 s/a tutorial or primer could be added to URI as well/copy parts from RFC3986 so COMURI can be a bit of a tutorial/ 13:43:27 ack phila 13:43:34 ack de 13:43:38 ack deirdrelee 13:44:34 -lewismc 13:44:53 +lewismc 13:44:59 phila: from the scientists perspective a persistent identifer is a DOI or other notions if you stick that at the end of a URI, when you speak to URI we do need to clear that we need to say web URI it is not necessarily a URL etc. 13:45:17 phila: all sorts of identifiers out there 13:45:32 RFC3986: A URI can be further classified as a locator, a name, or both. The term "Uniform Resource Locator" (URL) refers to the subset of URIs that, in addition to identifying a resource, provide a means of locating the resource by describing its primary access mechanism 13:45:53 phila: we just need to be careful and clear about what we are referring to... 13:46:28 q+ 13:46:34 MTCarrasco: rfc3986 is universal and this is what I am doing for COMURI 13:47:17 zakim, unmute me 13:47:17 laufer should no longer be muted 13:47:28 deirdrelee: thank you 13:47:33 I got cut off for a bit there 13:49:15 q+ 13:49:27 +1 to Laufer on multilingualism (phila) 13:49:33 +1 from Hadley too 13:49:35 laufer: There is correlation between document and resource...metadata relates to the resource.... 13:50:08 +1 to laufer 13:50:11 ack laufer 13:50:20 zakim, mute me 13:50:20 laufer should now be muted 13:50:26 laufer: the short URI is interesting, but I don't agree of publishing documents about things that have already been published.... 13:51:04 deirdre: back to linking between the UC document and BP document editors 13:51:17 deirdre: we have to make sure all of our work is grounded... 13:52:00 deirdre: The rest of the BP document are also important as well as the vocabularies have to progress as well 13:52:10 Please could you post your comments to the list 13:52:41 q? 13:52:47 deirdre: feel free to comment about the details... 13:52:51 ack mt 13:53:14 MTCarrasco: the question of the format is not a question it is the question of the syntax (hope I got that right) 13:54:03 zakim, unmute me 13:54:03 laufer should no longer be muted 13:54:07 MTCarrasco: having access to the metadata the very end, suggest a different one... 13:54:23 laufer: we already have a way of referencing a resource 13:54:47 MTCarrasco: please send an example... 13:55:04 MTCarrasco: is this a fragment? 13:55:09 laufer: yes 13:55:21 q+ phila to stop the HR14 talk 13:55:26 -gatemezi 13:55:56 ack phila 13:55:56 phila, you wanted to stop the HR14 talk 13:57:09 phila: this is becoming a discussion on HTTP HR14 there are different LDP group looking at solutions, ..this discussion is too big for our WG... 13:57:56 deirdre: what this is demonstrating to me that on the call we don't have all the people to have a more thourough discussion 13:58:01 The "?" is empty query - fine to use "#" an empty fragment 13:58:11 zakim, mute me 13:58:11 laufer should now be muted 13:58:38 Great job Deirdre! 13:58:41 Thanks. 13:58:42 -MTCarrasco 13:58:42 Bye! 13:58:45 bye 13:58:46 Thank you by eby e folks 13:58:48 bye, nice wk to all 13:58:48 Bye 13:58:48 -HadleyBeeman 13:58:51 -SumitPurohit 13:58:56 -ericstephan 13:59:15 -laufer 13:59:22 -lewismc 13:59:24 bye 13:59:31 adrianoc has joined #DWBP 13:59:50 Is there any more scribe functions I need to do to finish the meeting? 14:00:04 no, i think that's it eric 14:00:06 thanks again! 14:00:16 you bet! have a great weekend 14:01:39 zakim, who is here? 14:01:39 On the phone I see deirdrelee, Caroline_ 14:01:41 Caroline_ has nathalia__ 14:01:41 On IRC I see adrianoc, nathalia__, Caroline_, HadleyBeeman, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, trackbot 14:01:53 -deirdrelee 14:06:53 disconnecting the lone participant, Caroline_, in DATA_DWBP()9:00AM 14:06:55 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended 14:06:55 Attendees were +1.626.487.aaaa, deirdrelee, MTCarrasco, lewismc, +1.509.375.aabb, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aadd, laufer, Caroline_, newton, gatemezi, SumitPurohit, phila, yaso_, 14:06:56 ... nathalia__ 14:07:08 zakim, bye 14:07:08 Zakim has left #dwbp 14:31:27 HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp 15:25:02 HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp 18:18:38 HadleyBeeman has joined #dwbp 18:49:08 HadleyBeeman1 has joined #dwbp