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16:59:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Technical Architecture Group Teleconference
16:59:55 <trackbot> Date: 09 October 2014
17:00:17 <dka> zakim, who is here?
17:00:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see plinss, +44.773.051.aaaa
17:00:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, dka, Zakim, twirl, wycats____, slightlyoff, Domenic, dherman, projector, plinss, Yves, trackbot
17:00:37 <wycats____> I am on IRC only today
17:00:48 <dka> zakim, aaaa is me
17:00:48 <Zakim> +dka; got it
17:01:11 <Zakim> +??P0
17:01:58 <dka> dka has changed the topic to: https://github.com/w3ctag/meetings/wiki
17:02:05 <dka> regrets: Jeni
17:03:05 <dka> Agenda:
17:03:07 <dka> Minutes & actions review from f2f
17:03:08 <dka> The never-ending URL discussion, is there anything further we can constructively do?
17:03:09 <dka> Any feedback / outreach plans for EW report card?
17:03:10 <dka> Technical topic for next call
17:03:11 <dka> Finalizing and sending EME feedback
17:03:25 <dka> Minutes from f2f: https://github.com/w3ctag/meetings/tree/gh-pages/2014/sept29-oct1
17:03:46 <Zakim> +Yves
17:04:06 <dka> For those on the IRC as well, please register any requests for changes to the minutes by next week and then we’ll call them published and agreed, ok?
17:05:19 <dka> Some actions recorded on the whiteboard from the f2f, here: https://github.com/w3ctag/meetings/blob/gh-pages/2014/sept29-oct1/whiteboard4.JPG
17:08:17 <twirl> twirl: Domenic made pull request with our F2F feedback, looks totally nice: https://github.com/w3ctag/eme/pull/9
17:09:05 <wycats> dka: ok :)
17:09:13 <dka> Is there any more constructive thing we can do in the URL debate?
17:09:31 <dka> (My sense is “no”, by the way.)
17:09:46 <wycats> I don't think we should support the HTML5 Editors changes
17:09:53 <wycats> the blog post inserted into the spec
17:11:28 <dka> Agreed but we shouldn’t become the html5 editors...
17:12:26 <dka> What technical topic should we tee up for next week’s teleconference?
17:12:34 <Yves> +1 the final word is in the html-wg and in the director's decision
17:14:12 <dka> wycats, dherman - do you have a specific technical topic you’d like to suggest for next week’s call? (e.g. inviting a guest from a working group or editor of a specific spec?)
17:14:35 <wycats> Yves: if that is the final word, the controversy will not end
17:14:42 <wycats> so let's not have it be the final work, mmkay?
17:14:53 <dka> Domenic, are you close to being able to join?
17:15:14 <wycats> dka: I'm kind of interested in talking about the EWM "staging problem"
17:15:34 <Yves> final word is not final work :)
17:15:44 <dherman> +1 re: staging
17:15:45 <dka> wycats can you elaborate on that?
17:15:50 <dherman> dka I can
17:15:54 <wycats> in particular, how to deal with the fact that user code changes the meaning of the platform, but still needs to use the platform to bootstrap
17:16:03 <wycats> and how to ensure that things happen in the right order
17:16:06 <dherman> EWM is all about allowing user-customizable browser semantics
17:16:07 <wycats> I will let dherman say more :)
17:16:11 <dka> Ok do you want to put it into https://github.com/w3ctag/meetings/wiki
17:16:12 <dherman> but you need to run code to customize the semantics
17:16:18 <dherman> and then you need to run code that uses the customized semantics
17:16:34 <dherman> so one set of code has to be run earlier than another set of code is even processed
17:16:45 <dherman> this keeps coming up and being solved in different ad hoc ways
17:16:56 <dherman> html imports and custom elements: upgrade
17:16:58 <dka> (Btw if people have a better suggestion of how to organize topics / agendas etc.. for these conference calls using github please speak up - I just used a wiki page since that’s what was there)
17:17:01 <dherman> service worker: second-load
17:17:20 <dherman> module loaders: staging
17:17:26 <dherman> that's the gist of it
17:17:32 <dka> Any special guest we should invite to that discussion?
17:17:53 <dherman> dunno
17:18:19 <dka> OK sounds good!
17:18:45 <dka> Next step for EME?
17:18:51 <dka> Sergey: just to send it as a spec review.
17:19:26 <dka> ok - domenic should do that…. :)
17:23:26 <Zakim> + +1.408.355.aabb
17:23:38 <Domenic> Zakim, aabb is me
17:23:38 <Zakim> +Domenic; got it
17:25:23 <dka> Domenic: the feedback should be divided into bugs.
17:25:49 <dka> Dan: sounds fine, but seems like the bugs should link back to the full review...
17:26:37 <dka> Domenic: “we make them aware of it first and we were thinking of filing bugs…”
17:29:02 <dka> Domenic: maybe use the issue tracker [in gh] as a backlog of potential issues to discuss
17:29:13 <dka> Dan: sounds good.
17:30:49 <dka> Domenic: a couple things have come up - web crypto has a big debate on extension specs. some say no, one says yes…interesting quesiton, we might want to have an opinion.
17:31:19 <dka> … being resolved, webrtc and promises … legacy prefixed APIs all use callbacks. but not shipping in any browsers…
17:31:35 <dka> … but it’s going down the right path.
17:31:58 <dka> Dan: Brings to mind that we were going to have a technical topic for a future call on webrtc I think.
17:32:11 <dka> Domenic: yes it would be good to get a status update.
17:32:43 <dka> Dan: I will take that action and maybe we can do that for 2 weeks from now, 23rd October.
17:33:48 <Zakim> -dka
17:33:51 <Zakim> -Domenic
17:33:54 <Zakim> -Yves
17:33:56 <Zakim> -plinss
17:33:57 <Zakim> -twirl
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17:33:59 <Zakim> Attendees were plinss, +44.773.051.aaaa, dka, twirl, Yves, +1.408.355.aabb, Domenic
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