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12:59:36 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
12:59:36 <trackbot> Date: 09 October 2014
12:59:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:59:46 <birtles> Zakim, [ is me
12:59:46 <Zakim> +birtles; got it
13:00:21 <Zakim> +krit
13:00:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:00:58 <ed> Zakim, [IP is me
13:00:58 <Zakim> +ed; got it
13:01:04 <ed> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2014Oct/0007.html
13:01:07 <ed> chair: ed
13:01:12 <Zakim> +Cyril
13:01:41 <Cyril> I proposed another agenda on the agenda page
13:01:43 <Zakim> +??P14
13:01:56 <Cyril> "Updating the old specs to make clear SVG 2 is the latest (Cyril)"
13:01:58 <stakagi> zakim, ?? is meP
13:01:58 <Zakim> +meP; got it
13:02:37 <stakagi> zakim, ??P14 is me
13:02:37 <Zakim> I already had ??P14 as meP, stakagi
13:02:57 <Zakim> -meP
13:03:04 <Cyril> scribe: Cyril
13:03:08 <Cyril> scribeNick: Cyril
13:03:15 <Cyril> Topic: TTML review
13:03:35 <Cyril> ed: this is a reminder that you should review
13:03:59 <Cyril> ... since it covers images, it might be worth to see if SVg images can be used
13:04:48 <Cyril> Cyril: image support comes from SMPTE
13:04:54 <Zakim> +??P0
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13:05:09 <stakagi> zakim, ??P0 is me
13:05:09 <Zakim> +stakagi; got it
13:05:10 <Cyril> ... not sure it has SVG support, I doubt
13:05:16 <Zakim> +Tav
13:05:16 <Zakim> +??P1
13:05:22 <Cyril> ... I will review it but may not have any comment
13:05:42 <Cyril> ed: my comment would be just a question related to the use of SVG, that's it
13:06:31 <Cyril> Cyril: one question worth looking at would be to see if TTML to SVG could be done
13:06:53 <Cyril> action: Cyril to review the TTML WD and send comments to the TTWG
13:06:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3671 - Review the ttml wd and send comments to the ttwg [on Cyril Concolato - due 2014-10-16].
13:07:07 <Cyril> Topic: content model of gradient stops
13:07:21 <Zakim> +ChrisL
13:07:21 <Cyril> ed: came up in a code review for blink
13:07:36 <Cyril> ... SVG 2 drafts says that any paint server is allowed in a stop
13:07:44 <Cyril> ... this may or not make sense
13:07:49 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2014Oct/0003.html
13:07:53 <ChrisL> RRSAgent, here
13:07:53 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-irc#T13-07-53
13:07:54 <Cyril> ... this is a change from SVG 1.1
13:08:29 <Cyril> ... it's a little bit confusing to have gradients or patterns in stops
13:08:59 <Cyril> Cyril: is it related to solid color ?
13:09:03 <Cyril> ed: maybe
13:09:09 <Zakim> -stakagi
13:09:12 <ChrisL> I don't see a benefit to gradients in stops
13:09:22 <Cyril> ... but more related to Brian changes regarding the child keywords for fill and stroke properties
13:09:44 <Cyril> birtles: I can't rememer exactly, doesn't feel so important, happy to drop that
13:10:02 <Zakim> +??P0
13:10:08 <Cyril> nikos: meshrow also includes paint servers
13:10:12 <stakagi> zakim, ??P0 is me
13:10:12 <Zakim> +stakagi; got it
13:10:17 <Cyril> ... that seems wrong as well
13:10:23 <Cyril> Tav: yes
13:10:58 <Cyril> birtles: with meshrow it might make more sense, you could specify and inherit
13:11:09 <Cyril> Tav: meshrow is a container for meshpatches
13:11:19 <Cyril> birtles: can mesh patches have paint servers
13:11:22 <Cyril> nikos: no
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13:11:28 <Cyril> birtles: then it does not make sense
13:11:29 <ed> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/single-page.html#pservers-GradientStops
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13:12:22 <Cyril> ed: meshrow, stop, what else ?
13:12:38 <Cyril> ... other elements that should not have paint servers as children ?
13:12:46 <Cyril> Tav: mesh patches or coons patches ?
13:12:55 <Cyril> ... do they allow that ?
13:12:57 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
13:13:02 <Cyril> nikos: mesh patch doesn't
13:13:36 <ChrisL> zakim, unmute me
13:13:36 <Zakim> ChrisL should no longer be muted
13:13:59 <Cyril> birtles: I probably did a search/replace for fill and allowed child paint servers
13:14:05 <ed> meshGradient?
13:14:42 <ChrisL> silverlight did the same thing, paint servers as children of what they were painting
13:15:26 <Cyril> ChrisL: solidColor shouldn't allow any paint server
13:15:30 <ChrisL> things restricted to solid fills should not allow other types of paint server though
13:15:31 <birtles> (the reasoning was anything that allows 'fill' as a presentation attribute should allow the 'child' keyword, and hence should allow paint servers in its content model... but that might not be such a great idea)
13:16:46 <Cyril> nikos: it seems useful when you have href and you can inherit values from the paint server
13:17:42 <Cyril> Tav: the only case is when you use solid paints, but that's probably not important
13:17:52 <Cyril> nikos: but even that case doesn't work for mesh row
13:18:45 <Cyril> birtles: I haven't even updated the definition of the paint servers to allow the child keyword
13:18:57 <Cyril> ... not so useful yet
13:19:13 <Cyril> ed: we should update the spec so that it's describing the truth
13:19:53 <Cyril> ACTION: Brian to update the content model for elements using paint servers (stop, mesh row, mesh patch)
13:19:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3672 - Update the content model for elements using paint servers (stop, mesh row, mesh patch) [on Brian Birtles - due 2014-10-16].
13:20:25 <Cyril> topic: F2F
13:20:29 <ed> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/TPAC_2014/Agenda_proposals
13:20:39 <Cyril> ed: reminder that you should add your agenda items for the F2F
13:20:52 <Cyril> ed: I moved Tav's item to the FX
13:21:04 <Cyril> ed: text on a shape: is it FX or SVG?
13:21:07 <Cyril> Tav: FX
13:21:27 <Cyril> Tav: image rendering should be discussed in FX too
13:22:05 <Cyril> Cyril: is the FX meeting the 1st or 2nd day
13:22:14 <Cyril> ed: not decided, I'd prefer the first day
13:22:33 <Cyril> ChrisL: we had a request from another group to meet on the first day
13:22:47 <Cyril> ed: my idea is to have FX on the afterday of the 1st day
13:22:52 <Cyril> ... I need to confirm with CSS
13:22:59 <ed> s/afterday/afternoon/
13:23:39 <Cyril> ed: I don't want to waste people's time, I'd like to have a solid list of topics for FX
13:23:46 <Cyril> ... so please add your topics
13:24:25 <Cyril> ed: we had another request with accessibility to meeting in the morning 11AM on the thursday
13:24:32 <Cyril> ... if no objection, I'll say yes
13:24:42 <Cyril> ChrisL: sounds good, 11AM to 1PM
13:24:57 <Cyril> ... otherwise it'd be brief
13:25:17 <ed> proposal from Janina: "Thursday, October 30, from 11:15 AM until approx 11:45-Noon."
13:25:21 <Cyril> richardschwerdtfeger: 45 minutes you said ?
13:25:32 <Cyril> richardschwerdtfeger: really short
13:25:51 <Cyril> ChrisL: we have accessibility in the Charter
13:26:04 <Cyril> ... that seems a good opportunity to start taht
13:26:09 <ChrisL> two new deliverables
13:26:19 <Cyril> ed: I'd suggest we'll meet earlier
13:26:27 <Cyril> ChrisL: 10 to 12 would be good
13:26:36 <ed> ok, will respond
13:27:10 <Cyril> Topic: SVG Accessibility TF Work Statement
13:27:20 <ed> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/work-statement
13:28:02 <Zakim> -krit
13:28:03 <Cyril> ChrisL: I sent comments yesterday
13:28:24 <Cyril> ... there is only one deliverable listed while we have 2
13:28:33 <Cyril> ... contradictory text that has not been removed
13:28:38 <Cyril> ... mostly fine
13:28:44 <Cyril> ... Janina said it's ok
13:29:23 <Cyril> ... we can say we approve it when we receive the update
13:29:37 <Cyril> ... but that document is less important than the charter
13:30:04 <Cyril> ... the charter needs to have 5% of member's approval
13:30:23 <Cyril> richardschwerdtfeger: did IBM vote yet?
13:30:28 <Cyril> nikos: what about Canon ?
13:30:45 <Cyril> ChrisL: Canon have not, IBM have
13:30:53 <Cyril> ... Mozilla have not either
13:31:32 <ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/svg2014/
13:31:41 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/2014/charter
13:32:14 <Cyril> richardschwerdtfeger: what about Oracle?
13:32:20 <Cyril> ChrisL: not yet responded
13:32:27 <Cyril> richardschwerdtfeger: I'll ask them
13:33:23 <Cyril> Topic: Update old specs
13:33:52 <ed> Cyril: ppl are complaining which is the latest spec, between whatwg, github and so on
13:34:16 <ed> ... ppl were even wondering on www-svg if svg2 is a continuation of svg1.1 or not
13:36:14 <Cyril> Cyril: we should add text to old specs saying that SVG 2 is the latest version
13:36:17 <Cyril> ChrisL: good idea
13:36:27 <Cyril> ed: heycam had an action related I think
13:37:09 <Cyril> ChrisL: you are asking for a republication of those documents
13:37:17 <Cyril> ... we can do those sorts of things
13:37:21 <Cyril> Cyril: yes
13:37:27 <ed> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/3506 was the action on heycam
13:37:36 <Cyril> ChrisL: I can do it
13:38:02 <Cyril> ACTION: ChrisL to prepare wording for updating the old specs
13:38:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3673 - Prepare wording for updating the old specs [on Chris Lilley - due 2014-10-16].
13:38:20 <Cyril> ChrisL: not sure it will be ready before the publishing moratorium
13:39:14 <ChrisL> assume this covers svg 1.0, svg 1.1se, svg tiny and svg basic and svgt1.2
13:39:19 <ed> http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#item02
13:39:31 <Cyril> ed: heycam's action was on SVG color and pagination
13:39:38 <Cyril> ... it's not the same action
13:39:44 <Cyril> ChrisL: I can do that too
13:40:20 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
13:40:22 <Zakim> -ChrisL
13:40:23 <Cyril> RRSAgent, make minutes public
13:40:23 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', Cyril.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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13:40:23 <Zakim> -stakagi
13:40:25 <Zakim> -Tav
13:40:25 <Zakim> -birtles
13:40:28 <Zakim> -??P1
13:40:32 <Cyril> RRSAgent, make minutes
13:40:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html Cyril
13:40:39 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make logs public
13:40:45 <ChrisL> rrrsagent, make minutes
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13:40:48 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], birtles, krit, ed, Cyril, meP, stakagi, Tav, ChrisL, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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