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13:42:59 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
13:42:59 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Lisa_Seeman
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15:34:02 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:34:02 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 26 minutes
15:36:13 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:36:15 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of agenda, new items
15:36:16 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of actions - including identifying user strategies
15:36:18 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  what is needed for next editors draft of the user research module? user groups update (ADHD, other)
15:36:19 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  what should help text look like. layered help or role based help
15:36:21 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review of User Agent Accessibility Guidelines (UAAG) 2.0 Last Call Working Draft. The working group (UAWG)
15:36:22 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  approval of other new content, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0045.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0044.html
15:36:24 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  editing github
15:36:25 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  next FTF
15:36:27 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ now will we receive comments?
15:36:28 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
15:38:43 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: Katherine Deibel,Tim Boland,, Anthony Doran,Katie Haritos Shea, Joseph K O'Connor ,Mary Jo Mueller,  E.A. Draffan, Kinshuk, Deborah Dahl
15:39:45 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:41:16 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:John Foliot , Anthony Doran,Katie Haritos Shea, Joseph K O'Connor ,Mary Jo Mueller,  E.A. Draffan, Kinshuk, Deborah Dahl
15:52:19 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
15:52:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:52:57 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:52:57 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
16:02:04 <Zakim> + +1.804.749.aaaa
16:02:25 <Zakim> +JohnRochford
16:02:33 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, aaaa is debra rue
16:02:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa is debra rue', Lisa_Seeman
16:02:47 <JohnRochford> JohnRochford has joined #coga
16:03:00 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +aaaa is debra rue
16:03:00 <Zakim> I don't understand '+aaaa is debra rue', Lisa_Seeman
16:03:14 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +1.804.749.aaaa is debra rue
16:03:14 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.804.749.aaaa is debra rue', Lisa_Seeman
16:03:47 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??aaaa is debrarue
16:03:47 <Zakim> sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I do not recognize a party named '??aaaa'
16:03:52 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +1.804.749.aaaa is debrarue
16:03:52 <Zakim> +debrarue; got it
16:06:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:06:46 <Lisa_Seeman> Topic: John's work on soutions
16:06:51 <Lisa_Seeman> solutions
16:06:58 <slee> +[IPcaller] is slee
16:07:07 <slee> zakim +[IPcaller] is slee
16:07:23 <slee> zakim, +[IPcaller] is slee
16:07:23 <Zakim> sorry, slee, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
16:07:44 <slee> zakim, +[IPcaller] is slee
16:07:44 <Zakim> sorry, slee, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
16:07:47 <slee> arrg
16:08:01 <slee> zakim, [IPcaller] is slee
16:08:01 <Zakim> +slee; got it
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16:09:54 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
16:09:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, debrarue, JohnRochford, slee
16:09:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see richardschwerdtfeger, JohnRochford, Barry_Johnson, RRSAgent, Zakim, slee, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
16:11:00 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:12:04 <Lisa_Seeman> short or quorim
16:12:34 <Zakim> +Janina
16:12:45 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
16:12:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, debrarue, JohnRochford, slee, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Janina
16:12:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see richardschwerdtfeger, JohnRochford, Barry_Johnson, RRSAgent, Zakim, slee, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
16:13:28 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda?
16:15:54 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe:JohnRochford,
16:16:32 <Lisa_Seeman>  zakim, next item
16:16:32 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review of agenda, new items" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:16:43 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, close item
16:16:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', Lisa_Seeman
16:17:23 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We need to finish table of cognitive functions to cognitive disabilities.
16:17:58 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We need to finish table of mapping cognitive functions to cognitive disabilities.
16:18:06 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa with JohnR write introduction for user group reserch
16:18:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-52 - With johnr write introduction for user group reserch [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-10-13].
16:19:02 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa wirh JohnR make draft of the cognative functions table
16:19:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-53 - Wirh johnr make draft of the cognative functions table [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-10-13].
16:19:40 <Lisa_Seeman>  zakim, next item
16:19:40 <Zakim> agendum 2. "review of actions - including identifying user strategies" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:20:35 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Anything else that people believe should be in that module?
16:20:58 <JohnRochford> Lisa: module = user-group research
16:21:58 <Lisa_Seeman>  zakim, next item
16:21:58 <Zakim> agendum 3. "what is needed for next editors draft of the user research module? user groups update (ADHD, other)" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:22:12 <Lisa_Seeman> Zakim, close item
16:22:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', Lisa_Seeman
16:23:22 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We have a draft proposal for what we might recommend if people want to offer help text to users.
16:26:52 <JohnRochford> Lisa: For example, could tool tips be created relevant to RDFa semantic identifications?
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16:37:03 <Lisa_Seeman> q=
16:37:06 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:37:07 <JohnRochford> Debra: Technology is moving so fast, and people with cognitive disabilities may be more capable than we think, that determining what works and what does not is complicated.
16:42:04 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Use abstractions to address changes in design metaphors, then develop concrete recommendations.
16:44:52 <Lisa_Seeman> issue: Technology is moving so fast, and people with cognitive disabilities may be more capable than we think, that determining what works and what does not shifts all the time - solutions 1. use abstraction rather then concrete do and dont... 2 evolveable solutions such as rdfa pointers make solutions at the user end shift fast
16:44:52 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-2 - Technology is moving so fast, and people with cognitive disabilities may be more capable than we think, that determining what works and what does not shifts all the time - solutions 1. use abstraction rather then concrete do and dont... 2 evolveable solutions such as rdfa pointers make solutions at the user end shift fast.  Please complete additional details at
16:44:53 <trackbot> ... <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/issues/2/edit>.
16:49:10 <Zakim> +JohnRochford.a
16:50:27 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:50:32 <Lisa_Seeman> ack l
16:52:07 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Scaffolding for tool tips, such as a short version then a long version, is what we talked about last time.
16:52:45 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
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16:54:30 <Lisa_Seeman> john: use a picture and very simpe langage
16:58:47 <Zakim> -Janina
16:59:00 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:59:47 <Lisa_Seeman> actions JohnR and Lisa to reach out to people who write help text for coga users, to find out what they do and what reserch and user testing
17:00:02 <Lisa_Seeman> action:  JohnR and Lisa to reach out to people who write help text for coga users, to find out what they do and what reserch and user testing
17:00:02 <trackbot> Error finding 'JohnR'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
17:00:27 <Zakim> -debrarue
17:00:44 <Lisa_Seeman> action:  John Rochford and Lisa to reach out to people who write help text for coga users, to find out what they do and what reserch and user testing
17:00:44 <trackbot> 'John' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., jfoliot, JohnRochford).
17:00:51 <Lisa_Seeman> action:  JohnRochford and Lisa to reach out to people who write help text for coga users, to find out what they do and what reserch and user testing
17:00:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-54 - And lisa to reach out to people who write help text for coga users, to find out what they do and what reserch and user testing [on John Rochford - due 2014-10-13].
17:01:18 <Zakim> -JohnRochford
17:01:37 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
17:01:50 <Lisa_Seeman>  rrsagent, create minutes
17:01:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/06-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:01:56 <Lisa_Seeman>  rrsagent, create minutes
17:01:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/10/06-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:02:05 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:02:05 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/06-coga-actions.rdf :
17:02:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa with JohnR write introduction for user group reserch [1]
17:02:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/06-coga-irc#T16-18-06
17:02:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa wirh JohnR make draft of the cognative functions table [2]
17:02:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/06-coga-irc#T16-19-02
17:02:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JohnR and Lisa to reach out to people who write help text for coga users, to find out what they do and what reserch and user testing [3]
17:02:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/06-coga-irc#T17-00-02
17:02:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John Rochford and Lisa to reach out to people who write help text for coga users, to find out what they do and what reserch and user testing [4]
17:02:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/06-coga-irc#T17-00-44
17:02:05 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JohnRochford and Lisa to reach out to people who write help text for coga users, to find out what they do and what reserch and user testing [5]
17:02:05 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/06-coga-irc#T17-00-51