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13:08:37 Zakim, IPcaller is me 13:08:37 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:08:37 +laufer; got it 13:09:06 Resolved: Aprove last week minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2014-09-26 13:09:23 zakim, mute me 13:09:23 laufer should now be muted 13:09:24 Topic: TPAC 13:09:28 Hadleybeeman: let’s move on to TPAC’s topics 13:09:33 … any questions? 13:09:44 Members 13:09:44 Phil Archer 13:09:44 Eric Kauz 13:09:44 Michel Dumontier (Stanford University) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:09:44 Vagner Diniz (NIC.br - Brazilian Network Information Center) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:09:45 Sandro Hawke (W3C Staff) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:09:47 Andrei Sambra (W3C Staff) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:09:50 +q 13:09:51 Flavio Yanai (NIC.br - Brazilian Network Information Center) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:09:53 Newton Calegari (NIC.br - Brazilian Network Information Center) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:09:55 Hadley Beeman (W3C Invited Experts) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:09:57 Carlos Laufer (Department of Informatics, PUC-Rio) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:09:59 Yaso Córdova (NIC.br - Brazilian Network Information Center) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:01 Dan Brickley (Google, Inc.) : attending Thursday 13:10:03 Steven Adler (IBM Corporation) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:03 Phila: there’s a list of eneryone that is registered 13:10:05 Ig Ibert Bittencourt Santana Pinto (Universidade Federal de Alagoas) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:07 Bernadette Farias Loscio (Center for Informatics - Federal University of Pernambuco, CIn-UFPE) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:10 Alan Turransky (Interactive Advertising Bureau - IAB) : attending Thursday 13:10:12 Eric Stephan (Pacific Northwest National Laboratory) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:14 Amy Guy (University of Edinburgh (School of Informatics, EDINA)) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:16 Raphaël Troncy (INSTITUT TELECOM) : attending Thursday 13:10:20 Adriano Pereira (Inweb - National Institute of Science and Technology for the Web) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:23 Bart van Leeuwen (netage.nl) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:25 Guests 13:10:27 Adam Abramski (Intel Corporation) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:29 Bernard Gidon (W3C Staff) : attending Thursday 13:10:31 Olivier Thereaux (British Broadcasting Corporation) : attending Thursday 13:10:31 Big list! 13:10:32 ... to ask about best timing for connecting to TPAC for DWBP for those of us in Europe - preferably Thursday / Friday morning 13:10:33 Jeremy Tandy (Met Office) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:34 +1 13:10:35 Felix Sasaki (W3C Staff) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:37 Frederick Hirsch (Nokia Corporation) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:39 Jeni Tennison (W3C Invited Experts) : attending Thursday 13:10:41 Dan Brickley (Google, Inc.) : attending Thursday 13:10:43 Nigel Megitt (British Broadcasting Corporation) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:45 Tim Berners-Lee (W3C Staff) : attending Thursday 13:10:46 q? 13:10:47 Reinaldo Ferraz (NIC.br - Brazilian Network Information Center) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:50 ack mark 13:10:51 Ann Bassetti (Boeing Company) : attending Thursday 13:10:53 Erik Wilde (Siemens AG) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:55 Milan Patel (Huawei) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:10:57 Zheng Huang : attending Thursday 13:10:59 Jean-Pierre Abello (The Nielsen Company) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:11:01 Fabien Gandon (Institut National de Recherche en Informatique et en Automatique) : attending Thursday, Friday 13:11:03 Annette Greiner (Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory) : attending Thursday 13:11:05 ack markharrison 13:11:05 Zakim, whois speaking? 13:11:06 I don't understand your question, yaso. 13:11:21 q+ to talk about the agenda and overlaps 13:11:28 Marlharrison: if those discussions are in the morning 13:11:33 ack me 13:11:33 phila, you wanted to talk about the agenda and overlaps 13:11:37 +[IPcaller] 13:11:41 s/smarlharrison/markharrison 13:11:41 zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio 13:11:41 +BernadetteLoscio; got it 13:11:46 zakim, who's noisy? 13:11:48 too much noise, guys 13:11:55 And there’s ecco 13:11:57 MTCarrasco, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: markharrison (42%) 13:12:02 Could all of you mute please? 13:12:06 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:12:06 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:12:09 Zakim, mute me 13:12:09 Yaso should now be muted 13:12:10 zakim, mute markharrison 13:12:11 markharrison should now be muted 13:12:48 Phila: if we get out our agenda first 13:13:10 Hadley: that’s the conflict that we need to resolve 13:13:20 Phila: data shapes meeting is in the same time 13:13:22 +1 phil a getting our agenda out asap. 13:13:30 +1 13:13:42 +[IPcaller] 13:13:58 zakim, IPcaller is me 13:13:58 +MakxDekkers; got it 13:14:01 Phila: I think that if theres anybody on the call that is not registered do it asap 13:14:06 action: hadley to create first draft of agenda for negotiations (time zones, conflicts with Data Shapes WG, etc) 13:14:07 Created ACTION-90 - Create first draft of agenda for negotiations (time zones, conflicts with data shapes wg, etc) [on Hadley Beeman - due 2014-10-10]. 13:14:45 Hadleybeeman: more questions for TPAC? 13:15:16 nathalia has left #dwbp 13:15:19 Hadleybeeman: are ready to publish the UC document? 13:15:24 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/usecasesv1.html 13:15:24 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:15:24 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 13:15:24 Semanticfire has joined #dwbp 13:15:36 hadleybeeman: Bernadetteloscio, do you want to make any comments? 13:16:08 bernadetteLoscio: I didn’t work at the document last week, I wasn’t really involved in the revision of the document 13:16:22 … I think that Deirdree knows better than me 13:16:34 SumitPurohit has joined #DWBP 13:16:35 s/Deirdree/Deirdre 13:16:38 Bernadetteloscio: I think that it should be published, 13:17:01 … we discusssed yesterday at the vocab call about the possibility of having new use cases 13:17:04 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:17:04 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:17:22 nathalia has joined #dwbp 13:17:24 ->http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html My version of the UCR 13:17:29 Phila: If you do have time to go throught the document, I recommend it 13:17:33 +SumitPurohit 13:17:52 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0031.html My mail about it 13:17:59 sorry for being late.... 13:18:01 … because when we decide whether or not include some best practices or not in the document we should be based on that 13:18:15 @sumit - glad you made it :-) 13:18:36 … I need the WG knows that this is happening, I added one Use case about data tracking 13:19:15 … there is a number of issues raided by a bunched of people 13:19:31 @eric : 6AM challenge 13:19:46 … I have closed some of them, but I need the group recognize that it was my iniciative 13:20:05 issue-31 13:20:05 issue-31 -- Define categories for the use cases based on the level of use cases details -- open 13:20:05 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/31 13:20:09 … If I haven’t done that, there will be a bunch of issues there to be closed 13:20:42 q? 13:20:53 it's ok 13:21:07 close yes 13:21:10 hadleybeeman: it’s ok to close that? 13:21:11 newton has joined #dwbp 13:21:11 close issue-31 13:21:11 Closed issue-31. 13:21:29 issue-47? 13:21:29 issue-47 -- Do we need the metrics from Bio2RDF? -- open 13:21:29 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/47 13:21:33 phila: there’s another issue that I raised 13:21:42 … but I have to ask Laufer to review 13:21:45 Zakim, unmute me 13:21:45 laufer should no longer be muted 13:22:00 http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html#UC-Bio2RDF 13:22:15 … Laufer, if you can confirm if you are happy with that... 13:22:29 "Thirty five datasets (http://download.bio2rdf.org/release/3/release.html) were generated as part of the Bio2RDF 3 release. Several of the datasets are themselves collections of datasets that are now available as one resource. Each dataset has been loaded into a dataset specific SPARQL endpoint using Openlink Virtuoso." 13:22:31 laufer: I think that you can supress the list, but if we can put a link 13:22:37 … to the documents, like this 13:22:47 action: Phil to suppress detail of Bio2RDF Use case and incldue link as Laufer suggests 13:22:47 Created ACTION-91 - Suppress detail of bio2rdf use case and incldue link as laufer suggests [on Phil Archer - due 2014-10-10]. 13:22:49 … so you can supress the list that I’ve added to the paragraph 13:22:55 close issue-47 13:22:55 Closed issue-47. 13:22:59 Laufer's email reply http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0032.html 13:23:04 Phila: with that done, we can close the issue, I think 13:23:04 zakim, mute me 13:23:04 laufer should now be muted 13:23:06 Laufer: yes 13:23:09 issue-42 13:23:09 issue-42 -- Have we covered closed data? -- open 13:23:09 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/42 13:23:23 Phila: Isse 42 was raised by ericstephan 13:23:38 … you’se that use cases are all about open data 13:23:53 … we have to decide today if we are missing use cases about closed data 13:23:58 zakim, unmute me 13:23:58 markharrison should no longer be muted 13:24:15 … ericstepan has a good use case too 13:24:25 … we could add that use cases 13:25:01 q+ 13:25:03 … my question to the group is: even that there are no use cases of closed data today at the document, should we publish it or 13:25:07 q+ 13:25:24 .. os should we wait to add new use cases to the document? 13:25:38 q+ 13:25:55 +q 13:26:00 hadleybeeman: I agree that is important that we cover use cases on closed data 13:26:04 ack me 13:26:18 phila: depends on the group decision 13:26:19 ack yaso 13:26:44 I think we might see the coverage of the new use case w.r.t. the requirements and challenges 13:26:45 Yaso: I want to say that adding new UC about closed data is more important than publish 13:27:01 I thought we had agreed to Open Data scope in March 13:27:13 ... I really think that we need to cover UC about closed data before we publish 13:27:14 ...if they are overlap, we might not integrate new ones 13:27:18 scribe: yaso 13:27:47 hadleybeeman: the discussion was for the entire WG, 13:28:04 ack mark 13:29:27 ack eric 13:29:41 http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp-ucr/#UC-BuildingEye 13:30:26 ericstephan: we should be able to articulate at least one requirement for closed data 13:30:27 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Closed_Data_Examples 13:30:51 +q 13:30:54 … the ideia would be that there’s a requirement on the document for closed data 13:30:59 ack sumit 13:31:36 SumitPurohit: that’s already in the uc document 13:31:49 nathalia_ has joined #dwbp 13:31:55 gotta drop 13:31:56 -Steve 13:31:59 q+ to ask ericstephan and SumitPurohit whether they have a handy list of requirements from those existing UCs 13:32:13 ack me 13:32:13 phila, you wanted to ask ericstephan and SumitPurohit whether they have a handy list of requirements from those existing UCs 13:32:33 yaso has nathalia_ 13:32:34 phila: do you eric and sumit, have a list of this requirements? 13:33:27 … if we were are able to deliver some requirements, if it’s ready to go and can be added right now to the document so this would be a solution 13:33:53 yaso has nathalia_ 13:33:58 zakim, yaso has nathalia_ 13:33:58 +nathalia_; got it 13:33:59 Hadleybeeman: how much important is to reach that now? 13:34:26 hadleybeeman: understanding that we can continue the publish, we can go back an extend it later 13:35:09 q+ to make a suggestion on timing 13:35:29 ack me 13:35:29 phila, you wanted to make a suggestion on timing 13:35:44 phila: the deadline that we have we agreed in the last week 13:35:46 @ericstephan- Is there any relation between closed data and the deep web resources http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Web ? 13:36:04 … we want to share progress 13:36:26 … if we want to go ahead and publish it as it is today, it could be published on tuesday 13:36:34 … if we want to delay in one week 13:36:44 … it could be enought 13:37:09 q+ 13:37:14 … what I would suggest is that any additions to the UC document will be made untill 13:37:27 … tuesday 13:37:29 zakim, unmute me 13:37:29 laufer should no longer be muted 13:38:06 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:38:06 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 13:38:10 hadleybeeman: Phil just proposed a timeline but the decision depends on the editor’s decision 13:38:22 Bernadetteloscio: I agree with Phil 13:38:29 ack laufer 13:38:30 +1 for timeline 13:38:40 example candidate requirement for closed data...R-DataUnavailabilityReference Some open data is related to data intentionally closed, taken offline, but the citation of the closed data source is important to data users as well as its designation as closed. Motivation: (use cases): BuildingEye 13:39:05 Laufer: the concern it’s important, but if a new requirement is raised now, all the uc document has to pass for a revision 13:39:18 laufer: and I think that we don’t have time now 13:39:54 phila: that’s something that eric is offering to do 13:40:10 … this time next week we would be able to decide 13:40:12 zakim, mute me 13:40:12 laufer should now be muted 13:40:16 I am willing to even forgo house work this weekend do to this 13:40:18 +1 13:40:23 Hadleybeeman: everyone agrees? 13:40:24 +1 13:40:25 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:40:25 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:40:42 +1 13:40:48 +1 13:40:51 +1 13:40:55 +1 13:40:55 +1 13:41:00 +1 13:41:26 :-) @phila 13:42:02 ack markharrison 13:42:37 action: eric stephan to gather closed-data requirements from the BuildingEye, Wind and GS1 use cases, and match requirements to any other use cases 13:42:37 'eric' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., ek1, estephan). 13:42:44 markharrison: I’m going to do the action 13:42:51 … for the next week 13:42:55 action: ericstephan to gather closed-data requirements from the BuildingEye, Wind and GS1 use cases, and match requirements to any other use cases 13:42:55 Created ACTION-92 - Gather closed-data requirements from the buildingeye, wind and gs1 use cases, and match requirements to any other use cases [on Eric Stephan - due 2014-10-10]. 13:43:01 zakim, who’s making noise? 13:43:01 I don't understand your question, yaso. 13:43:01 Can Tuesday be COB Pacific time (US) 13:43:04 I'll do what I can to support that markharrison of course 13:43:11 action: mark to finish gs1 closed-data use case with Phila 13:43:11 Created ACTION-93 - Finish gs1 closed-data use case with phila [on Mark Harrison - due 2014-10-10]. 13:43:13 Zakim, who’s noisy? 13:43:13 I don't understand your question, yaso. 13:43:23 +Yaso.a 13:43:47 +q 13:43:54 Caroline has joined #dwbp 13:44:09 Yes, Eric. Actually I'd say 'Tuesday' is COB Hawaiin time 13:44:38 ack eric 13:44:39 wich might help us to identificate requirements, perhaps 13:45:06 ericstephan: in order to be sincronized to the f2f meeting 13:45:40 Hadleybeeman: phil or bernadette do you have any thoughts on this? 13:45:46 zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio 13:45:46 BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted 13:46:30 phila: that might be something that we end up doing 13:46:51 Hadleybeeman: Bernadette, do you want to add something? 13:47:11 Bernadetteloscio: like eric said, we are working on something for the data usage vocab 13:47:25 … and we’re looking for some data usage requirements 13:47:53 … I’m gonna send the link of the page in wich we are working now 13:48:05 zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio 13:48:05 BernadetteLoscio should now be muted 13:48:14 Hadleybeeman: I think that we agree about the UC document 13:48:25 @Bernadette thank you! 13:48:29 .. that finishes the topic for today 13:48:54 @sumit do you have time to talk today later? 13:49:01 … we had a bunch of people with tasks to review the document about URI that Tomas sent 13:49:41 hadleybeeman: to want that this to happen in the mailing list? 13:50:01 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2014Oct/0036.html 13:50:14 BartvanLeeuwen has left #dwbp 13:51:05 MTcarrasco: If somebody has suggestions, then fine. We can add it in to the document 13:52:01 … I maintain what I said at the document: if there is a shortening service it is a syntomn that something is wrong 13:52:03 Caroline has joined #dwbp 13:52:52 … they don’t know how to overwrite ir… 13:54:45 Caroline has joined #dwbp 13:56:10 Caroline has joined #dwbp 13:56:14 Not many people type URIs 13:56:31 They are copied and pasted at most 13:56:33 I do not type URIs 13:56:59 You find URIs in metadata or in documents, and you just click 13:57:40 People use searching mechanisms to find resources identified by URIs 13:58:23 We have one requirement (only) relevant to this. See http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp-1/usecasesv1.html#R-PersistentIdentification 13:58:30 It says An identifier for a particular resource should be resolvable on the Web and associated for the foreseeable future with a single resource or with information about why the resource is no longer available. 13:58:50 It is interesting to have short URIs but the document address URIs as it it only identifying documents 13:58:56 Most people I see around type URI 13:59:20 My point would be that there is no 'best practice', just several ways of doing this 13:59:25 And I thinkk that guessing depends on culture 13:59:38 +q 13:59:44 No need to invent new practice 14:01:25 I agree with MTCarrasco that we need to make real progress writing the other deliverables as Hadley is saying 14:02:02 Long URIs require a higher pixel count in QR codes, which makes them more troublesome to scan at a distance or with poor camera optics on smartphones. Shorter URIs require a lower pixel count in QR codes and are therefore more 'chunky' and easier to scan at a distance (e.g. on posters in billboards and subways) 14:02:05 Hadleybeeman: in terms of moving forward, 14:02:35 … the URI persistence stuff and the Use Cases document, MTCarrasco, can you pickup an action for the next week? 14:02:55 MTCarrasco: this would require and make some phisical survey 14:03:05 -markharrison 14:03:15 Hadleybeeman: would you be willing to start part of this work? 14:03:18 Thanks Everyone 14:03:19 bye 14:03:20 -MTCarrasco 14:03:20 thanks!!! 14:03:21 bye all 14:03:21 Thanks everyone! 14:03:24 -Eric 14:03:25 -HadleyBeeman 14:03:25 -??P13 14:03:25 Bye! 14:03:26 @Bernadette I sent you an email 14:03:27 -Yaso.a 14:03:29 -SumitPurohit 14:03:31 -phila 14:03:31 tchau!!! 14:03:33 -laufer 14:03:38 RssAgent, generate minutes 14:03:49 -Yaso 14:03:52 action: mtcarrasco to work with use case editors on finding a way to find use cases for URI persistence 14:03:53 Created ACTION-94 - Work with use case editors on finding a way to find use cases for uri persistence [on Manuel Tomas Carrasco Benitez - due 2014-10-10]. 14:03:56 -BernadetteLoscio 14:04:15 bye 14:04:46 Thank you, yaso, for wonderful scribing! We covered a lot today. You're a champ. 14:08:56 disconnecting the lone participant, MakxDekkers, in DATA_DWBP()9:00AM 14:08:57 DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended 14:08:57 Attendees were phila, MTCarrasco, HadleyBeeman, Eric, markharrison, Steve, laufer, BernadetteLoscio, MakxDekkers, SumitPurohit, nathalia_, Yaso 14:09:24 Hadley: Tks! :-) 14:09:45 yaso has left #dwbp 14:25:12 phila has joined #dwbp 16:24:26 Zakim has left #dwbp