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14:49:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:49:39 <trackbot> Date: 01 October 2014
14:50:02 <Steven_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Oct/0000
14:50:14 <Steven_> Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Oct/0000
14:50:22 <Steven_> Chair: Steven
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15:01:12 <Steven_> zakim, I am ?
15:01:12 <Zakim> +Steven_; got it
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15:10:55 <Steven_> Topic: TPAC meeting
15:10:55 <Steven_> http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
15:11:12 <Steven_> Steven: We'll meet on the Friday that week.
15:11:29 <Steven_> Erik: OK. It's in my calendar
15:11:41 <Steven_> ... 31st
15:11:52 <Steven_> ... In the morning?
15:11:57 <Steven_> Steven: That's better for me.
15:12:25 <Steven_> Erik: It's Halloween, so the kids have a parade. I'll check when
15:12:48 <Steven_> Topic: Review of Section 1-3
15:12:48 <Steven_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2014Sep/0016
15:12:58 <Steven_> Steven: Thank you for the review.
15:13:11 <Steven_> ... I had a few typogrphic things that I didn't post.
15:13:48 <Steven_> ... I did add new text for the JSON representation, as we agreed at the last meeting. object="true" stuff
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15:14:12 <Steven_> ... I'm happy to make the changes both of you suggested.
15:14:32 <Steven_> ACTION: Steven to update spec section 1-3 according to emails from Alain and Erik
15:14:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1978 - Update spec section 1-3 according to emails from alain and erik [on Steven Pemberton - due 2014-10-08].
15:14:53 <Steven_> Steven: Section 1.5 has to be properly written, which is my task
15:15:33 <Steven_> ... In section 2.1 examples we use label elements, but perhaps they should be attributes
15:15:47 <Steven_> Erik: TO highlight the new syntax?
15:15:50 <Steven_> Steven: Yes
15:15:55 <Steven_> s/TO/To/
15:15:59 <Steven_> Erik: Fine.
15:16:40 <Steven_> Steven: Starting in section 3.2 we have the text [doesn't support AVT]
15:16:50 <Steven_> ... but we don't explain that
15:16:57 <Steven_> ... I suggest adding to section 2.7
15:17:22 <Steven_> Erik: It appears often. Is there a better formulation?
15:18:15 <Steven_> ... add it to section 2.7
15:18:31 <Steven_> Steven: Good
15:18:55 <Steven_> Erik: Also mention that attributes that are XPath expressions do not support AVT
15:18:59 <Steven_> Steven: Yes, good.
15:19:27 <Steven_> Steven: I agree with finding better wording for event dispatch. I'll work on that
15:19:54 <Steven_> Steven: In 3.2.2 The instance element
15:20:51 <Steven_> ... I missed an explanation for the difference between src and resource, and I didn;t know whether we should say something about
15:20:54 <Steven_> ... it
15:22:06 <Steven_> Erik: The reason was for IBM to sign the document. Inline the instance in the document, a specific use-case.
15:22:47 <Steven_> ... It's to change the order which things are checked.
15:23:43 <Steven_> ... The rationale is very specific, and so hard to explain.
15:25:17 <Steven_> Steven: Leave as is, or is there something better we can say?
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15:26:19 <Steven_> Erik: We should explain it.
15:26:27 <Steven_> Steven: I'll try and find a wording.
15:26:49 <Steven_> Steven: The last note in this section seems to be in the wrong place.
15:29:01 <Steven_> Erik: I agree. Remove this note.
15:29:05 <Steven_> Steven: I agree
15:29:34 <Steven_> Steven: In the CSV section 3.2.2.3
15:30:04 <Steven_> ... we don't guarantee to roundtrip the header names
15:30:13 <Steven_> ... which we do do for JSON
15:30:59 <Steven_> ... so I'll give that some thought to see how it is doable in a simple way
15:31:54 <Steven_> ... I think the easiest solution is a header row in the instance:
15:32:17 <Steven_> ... <h><n>Name</n><n>Hex value</n</h>
15:33:18 <Steven_> ... that doesn't interfere with the selectors, and you can reoutput it on serialisation
15:33:55 <Steven_> Alain: you could add it to the element,
15:34:01 <Steven_> Steven: Can you give an example?
15:34:26 <alain> <h><Name>Name</Name><Hex_Value>Hex Value</Hex_Value></h>
15:34:57 <Steven_> Steven: Oh as the header row. That works
15:35:06 <Steven_> ... great
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15:35:29 <Steven_> Steven: That's all I had.
15:37:31 <Steven_> Erik: I'm happy to help fixing them.
15:37:44 <Steven_> Steven: Want to do your points 4 and 5?
15:37:47 <Steven_> Erik: Fine.
15:38:06 <Steven_> Steven: Next week section 4, 5 and 6.
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