IRC log of coga on 2014-09-29

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15:39:11 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #coga
15:39:11 [RRSAgent]: logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-coga-irc
15:39:19 [Lisa_Seeman]: chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:40:59 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda: this
15:41:01 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ review of agenda, new items
15:41:02 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ review of actions - including identifying user strategies and cognitive function table
15:41:04 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ user groups update (ADHD, other)
15:41:05 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ cog function table thread
15:41:07 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ WHat should help text look like. layered help or role based help
15:41:08 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ review of User Agent Accessibility Guidelines (UAAG) 2.0 Last Call Working Draft. The working group (UAWG)
15:41:10 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ approval of other new content, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0045.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0044.html
15:41:11 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ editing github
15:41:13 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ Next FTF
15:41:14 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ How will we receive comments?
15:41:16 [Lisa_Seeman]: agenda+ be done
15:51:51 [Lisa_Seeman]: regrets: Kinshuk,
15:54:17 [Lisa_Seeman]: zakim, this is WAI_CogTF
15:54:17 [Zakim]: ok, Lisa_Seeman; that matches WAI_CogTF()12:00PM
15:55:57 [Lisa_Seeman]: zakim, who's here?
15:55:57 [Zakim]: On the phone I see [IPcaller]
15:55:59 [Zakim]: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
15:56:08 [Lisa_Seeman]: zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:56:08 [Zakim]: +Lisa_Seeman; got it
15:56:43 [Zakim]: + +1.508.856.aaaa
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15:59:02 [Zakim]: +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:59:55 [Zakim]: +??P9
16:00:00 [janina]: zakim, ??P9 is me
16:00:00 [Zakim]: +janina; got it
16:00:42 [JohnRochford]: JohnRochford has joined #coga
16:01:25 [janina]: zakim, who's here?
16:01:25 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, +1.508.856.aaaa, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina
16:01:28 [Zakim]: On IRC I see JohnRochford, richardschwerdtfeger, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
16:03:12 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
16:03:22 [ea]: ea has joined #coga
16:03:23 [Lisa_Seeman]: zakim, [IPcaller] is EA
16:03:23 [Zakim]: +EA; got it
16:03:41 [Tony_Doran]: Tony_Doran has joined #coga
16:05:22 [Zakim]: + +44.289.442.aabb
16:05:49 [Tony_Doran]: Zakim aabb is Tony_Doran
16:05:50 [slee]: slee has joined #coga
16:06:23 [slee]: trying to dial in
16:06:33 [Susann_Keohane]: Susann_Keohane has joined #coga
16:06:53 [Zakim]: +Susann_Keohane
16:07:05 [Lisa_Seeman]: zakim, who's here?
16:07:05 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Lisa_Seeman, +1.508.856.aaaa, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina, EA, +44.289.442.aabb, Susann_Keohane
16:07:07 [Zakim]: On IRC I see Susann_Keohane, slee, Tony_Doran, ea, JohnRochford, richardschwerdtfeger, RRSAgent, Zakim, Lisa_Seeman, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
16:07:12 [ddahl]: ddahl has joined #coga
16:07:31 [slee]: slee wants to be there :(
16:07:47 [Zakim]: +Debbie_Dahl
16:07:58 [Tony_Doran]: Zakim aabb is Tony_Doran
16:08:12 [Zakim]: +JF
16:08:39 [Lisa_Seeman]: scribe: Susann_Keohane
16:09:15 [JF_]: JF_ has joined #coga
16:09:37 [JohnRochford]: Zakim, JohnRochford is aaaa
16:09:37 [Zakim]: sorry, JohnRochford, I do not recognize a party named 'JohnRochford'
16:09:58 [JohnRochford]: Zakim, aaaa is JohnRochford
16:09:58 [Zakim]: +JohnRochford; got it
16:10:05 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: review of agenda
16:10:16 [Zakim]: -EA
16:10:26 [Lisa_Seeman]: review of agenda, new items
16:10:27 [Lisa_Seeman]: review of actions - including identifying user strategies and cognitive function table
16:10:29 [Lisa_Seeman]: user groups update (ADHD, other)
16:10:30 [Lisa_Seeman]: cog function table thread
16:10:31 [Zakim]: +neilmilliken
16:10:32 [Lisa_Seeman]: WHat should help text look like. layered help or role based help
16:10:33 [Lisa_Seeman]: review of User Agent Accessibility Guidelines (UAAG) 2.0 Last Call Working Draft. The working group (UAWG)
16:10:35 [Lisa_Seeman]: approval of other new content, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0045.html, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0044.html
16:10:36 [Lisa_Seeman]: editing github
16:10:38 [Lisa_Seeman]: Next FTF
16:10:39 [Lisa_Seeman]: How will we receive comments?
16:10:41 [Lisa_Seeman]: zakim, next item
16:10:41 [Zakim]: agendum 1. "review of agenda, new items" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:10:56 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
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16:12:08 [Tony_Doran]: Zakim, aabb is Tony_Doran
16:12:08 [Zakim]: +Tony_Doran; got it
16:12:12 [Lisa_Seeman]: zakim, next item
16:12:12 [Zakim]: agendum 2. "review of actions - including identifying user strategies and cognitive function table" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:12:35 [Lisa_Seeman]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
16:13:41 [neilmilliken]: zakim, +44203618 is me
16:13:41 [Zakim]: sorry, neilmilliken, I do not recognize a party named '+44203618'
16:15:15 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: reminding folks to take action on agenda item 2
16:15:53 [Zakim]: +??P12
16:16:37 [Zakim]: -??P12
16:16:39 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: ADD research that has not yet been captured in the wiki should be identified
16:17:23 [slee]: I'm getting no audio at all for Zakim - not even the welcome prompt
16:18:04 [Lisa_Seeman]: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/ADHD
16:18:24 [Lisa_Seeman]: steve - sip audio dd not work for me iether - i used skype
16:18:30 [Tony_Doran]: Audio is awful today - I thought it was just my terrible wifi
16:18:41 [slee]: Lisa_Seeman: phone number?
16:18:45 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: request for team to review the ADD wiki and provide feedback
16:19:09 [Lisa_Seeman]: +1.617.761.6200
16:19:16 [Lisa_Seeman]: pascode coga#
16:21:31 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: discussed cognitive function section referencing comorbidity
16:21:41 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: challenges section should reference ICT
16:21:51 [slee]: Lisa_Seeman: Skye deactivated my credit and can take 15 min to reactivate - Why, why why?
16:22:23 [ea]: Diagnosis of ADHA naybe should be Diagnosis of ADHD
16:22:43 [Tony_Doran]: slee - it is Monday ;)
16:22:55 [slee]: Tony_Doran: oh, tell me about it ! :)
16:23:19 [slee]: is't that a US number?
16:23:37 [Lisa_Seeman]: \yes
16:23:55 [Susann_Keohane]: NM: ADHD research has lots of contradictions
16:24:28 [Lisa_Seeman]: q?
16:24:59 [ea]: "To be diagnosed with ADHD, your child must have six or more symptoms of inattentiveness, or six or more symptoms of hyperactivity and impulsiveness." an illustration of the problem http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder/Pages/Diagnosis.aspx
16:25:28 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller.a]
16:25:30 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: Group should review and send comments on ADHD this week
16:26:32 [slee]: IPcaller.a = slee (I think)
16:26:57 [neilmilliken]: EA thanks for the linkif you look down the comments list you will see lots on co morbidity
16:27:08 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: Options of what to do with the ADHD section: (1) collect comments and mark as known issues (2) get more sophisticated version (3) not include it
16:27:42 [neilmilliken]: IQ+
16:27:45 [neilmilliken]: q+
16:27:58 [Lisa_Seeman]: zakim, [IPcaller.a] is slee
16:27:58 [Zakim]: +slee; got it
16:28:18 [slee]: Thanks
16:29:19 [ea]: Yes and I think it should go as I am concerned that it will lose a lot if it becomes too narrow
16:30:05 [Lisa_Seeman]: q?
16:30:19 [Lisa_Seeman]: ack neil
16:33:41 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: add to-do to have discussions to collect additional feedback
16:34:32 [ea]: q?
16:34:39 [neilmilliken]: I am pro submission in the knowledge that it is far from perfect
16:36:19 [Susann_Keohane]: was that EA speaking?
16:36:25 [ea]: yes sorry
16:36:27 [neilmilliken]: yes it was ea
16:36:31 [Lisa_Seeman]: \yes
16:36:51 [Susann_Keohane]: EA: recommend option 1 to allow the broader audience offer feedback which we could use to direct our efforts
16:37:05 [JF_]: I will +1 as well :)
16:37:05 [Tony_Doran]: EA - Agree.
16:37:07 [slee]: +0 :)
16:37:40 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: Move forward with option 1
16:37:54 [Lisa_Seeman]: zakim, next item
16:37:54 [Zakim]: agendum 3. "user groups update (ADHD, other)" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:38:15 [JF_]: zakim, close item 3
16:38:15 [Zakim]: agendum 3, user groups update (ADHD, other), closed
16:38:16 [Zakim]: I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:38:16 [Zakim]: 4. cog function table thread [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:38:22 [slee]: +0: 'I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with this.'
16:38:23 [JF_]: zakim, next item
16:38:23 [Zakim]: agendum 4. "cog function table thread" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:38:56 [Susann_Keohane]: jf - you're cheat sheet is very helpful!
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16:40:04 [slee]: Lisa_Seeman: URL please?
16:40:26 [Lisa_Seeman]: http://accessibility.athena-ict.com/cognativefunction.shtml
16:41:17 [Lisa_Seeman]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Sep/0086.html
16:43:13 [Lisa_Seeman]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/att-0029/cognativefunctiontable.html
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16:44:18 [Lisa_Seeman]: q?
16:45:55 [neilmilliken]: What is the timescale for completion of the action item as I am pretty much on leave as of today until end of october
16:46:01 [Tony_Doran]: I am goign to redial in audio is awful
16:46:10 [Zakim]: -Tony_Doran
16:47:27 [Zakim]: +Tony_Doran
16:48:22 [ea]: q?
16:48:24 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: move away from diagnosis towards symptoms like problems with executive function
16:50:43 [ea]: I agree developers will not understand some of the descriptions around memory
16:52:35 [ea]: q?
16:52:57 [Susann_Keohane]: JR: questions around the specificity requested for the table
16:53:41 [Lisa_Seeman]: q?
16:53:42 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: the techniques may be different technique on the specificity (such as a memory problem)
16:54:44 [Susann_Keohane]: EA: concerned we are overloading specificity to the point where the developer may not be able to understand
16:54:48 [Lisa_Seeman]: q+
16:55:28 [Susann_Keohane]: RS: we don't want to convey the medical model to a site for personalization
16:55:36 [Susann_Keohane]: RS: we do have an overlap of symptoms
16:56:06 [ea]: +1
16:56:14 [Tony_Doran]: q+
16:56:17 [Susann_Keohane]: RS: developers wants to know what they need to do and for each individual may be a collection of solutions
16:57:21 [Lisa_Seeman]: http://accessibility.athena-ict.com/cognitive/VisionCoga1.html
16:59:30 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: labeling cognitive functions and mapping to techniques
16:59:49 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: this table is for our knowledge
17:00:03 [Zakim]: -janina
17:00:08 [Tony_Doran]: You have just answered my question :)
17:00:10 [Zakim]: -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:00:52 [ddahl]: bye!
17:00:55 [ddahl]: ddahl has left #coga
17:00:55 [Zakim]: -slee
17:01:03 [Zakim]: -Debbie_Dahl
17:01:19 [Zakim]: -JohnRochford
17:01:28 [Susann_Keohane]: LS: asking for folks to join her in building the table
17:01:39 [Tony_Doran]: Sorry line is awful
17:01:58 [Tony_Doran]: Great news EA!!
17:02:26 [Tony_Doran]: Agree - an indication of direction would be good.
17:02:37 [Tony_Doran]: Apologies - need to drop off
17:02:51 [Zakim]: -Tony_Doran
17:03:30 [Lisa_Seeman]: action: lisa ask kate and neil to work on tabel
17:03:31 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-51 - Ask kate and neil to work on tabel [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-10-06].
17:04:13 [Susann_Keohane]: rrsagent, make logs public
17:04:14 [Zakim]: -JF
17:04:16 [Zakim]: -neilmilliken
17:04:21 [Susann_Keohane]: rrsagent, draft minutes
17:04:21 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-coga-minutes.html Susann_Keohane
17:04:34 [Susann_Keohane]: zakim, please part
17:04:34 [Zakim]: leaving. As of this point the attendees were Lisa_Seeman, +1.508.856.aaaa, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina, EA, +44.289.442.aabb, Susann_Keohane, Debbie_Dahl, JF, JohnRochford,
17:04:35 [Zakim]: Zakim has left #coga
17:04:38 [Zakim]: ... neilmilliken, [IPcaller], Tony_Doran, slee
17:04:42 [Susann_Keohane]: rrsagent, please part
17:04:42 [RRSAgent]: I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-coga-actions.rdf :
17:04:42 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: lisa ask kate and neil to work on tabel [1]
17:04:42 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/29-coga-irc#T17-03-30