IRC log of annotation on 2014-09-24

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14:29:16 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 2666
14:29:17 [trackbot]: Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference
14:29:17 [trackbot]: Date: 24 September 2014
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14:49:08 [fjh]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Sep/0040.html
14:49:23 [fjh]: fjh has changed the topic to: zakim code 3627 +1.617.761.6200 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Sep/0040.html
14:49:57 [fjh]: Chair: Frederick_Hirsch, Rob_Sanderson
14:50:08 [fjh]: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch, Rob_Sanderson
14:50:46 [fjh]: Regrets+ Doug_Schepers
14:51:20 [tripu]: Regrets+ tripu
14:52:51 [tripu]: fjh: http://www.w3.org/People/Antonio/
14:53:00 [tripu]: cheers
14:53:08 [fjh]: s/cheers//
14:53:17 [fjh]: s/fjh: http.*/
14:53:23 [fjh]: s/fjh: http.*//
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14:53:49 [azaroth]: Morning folks!
14:53:57 [azaroth]: (or at least it is for me)
14:53:59 [fjh]: Regrets- tripu
14:54:01 [fjh]: Regrets+ Antonio_Olmo_Titos(tripu)
14:54:22 [azaroth]: Hi Frederick :)
14:55:57 [fjh]: zakim, code?
14:55:57 [Zakim]: sorry, fjh, I don't know what conference this is
14:56:28 [fjh]: zakim, this is annotation
14:56:28 [Zakim]: sorry, fjh, I do not see a conference named 'annotation' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:57:10 [azaroth]: zakim, this is DPUB_(ANNO)
14:57:10 [Zakim]: azaroth, I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be DPUB_(ANNO)".
14:57:10 [fjh]: zakim, this is anno
14:57:12 [Zakim]: fjh, I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be anno".
14:57:24 [fjh]: zakim, code?
14:57:24 [Zakim]: sorry, fjh, I don't know what conference this is
14:57:29 [azaroth]: zakim, this will be DPUB_(ANNO)
14:57:29 [Zakim]: ok, azaroth; I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:35 [fjh]: zakim, this will be 2666
14:57:35 [Zakim]: ok, fjh; I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:43 [fjh]: zakim, code?
14:57:43 [Zakim]: the conference code is 2666 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
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14:58:12 [Zakim]: DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has now started
14:58:19 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
14:58:20 [fjh]: zakim, ipcaller is me
14:58:21 [Zakim]: +fjh; got it
14:58:31 [Zakim]: +azaroth
14:59:03 [azaroth]: zakim, who is here
14:59:03 [Zakim]: azaroth, you need to end that query with '?'
14:59:05 [azaroth]: zakim, who is here?
14:59:05 [Zakim]: On the phone I see fjh, azaroth
14:59:07 [Zakim]: On IRC I see TimCole, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, fjh, KevinMarks, ivan, Mitar, bigbluehat, JakeHart, dwhly, tripu, nickstenn, stain, MarkS, trackbot, renoirb
14:59:17 [JakeHart]: Am I supposed to record this meeting? I have the software at hand.
14:59:27 [Zakim]: +TimCole
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14:59:32 [azaroth]: JakeHart: that would be great if possible
14:59:38 [JakeHart]: Cool. Will do.
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14:59:57 [Zakim]: +dwhly
15:00:02 [Zakim]: +dauwhe
15:00:09 [Zakim]: +Matt_Haas
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15:00:26 [dwhly]: g'morning lord zakim
15:00:28 [Zakim]: +Kyrce
15:00:52 [fjh]: fjh has changed the topic to: 2666 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Sep/0040.html
15:00:53 [Zakim]: + +1.617.768.aaaa
15:00:59 [fjh]: fjh has changed the topic to: code 2666 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Sep/0040.html
15:01:04 [matt]: matt is me +Matt_Haas (Is this statement the corrected protocol?)
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15:01:49 [ivan]: zakim, dial ivan-aix
15:01:49 [Zakim]: ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:01:50 [Zakim]: +Ivan
15:01:51 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
15:01:51 [Zakim]: On the phone I see fjh, azaroth, TimCole, dwhly, dauwhe, Matt_Haas, Kyrce, +1.617.768.aaaa, Ivan (muted)
15:01:53 [Zakim]: On IRC I see rayd, Jacob, Kyrce, matt, TimCole, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, fjh, KevinMarks, ivan, Mitar, bigbluehat, JakeHart, dwhly, tripu, nickstenn, stain, MarkS,
15:01:53 [Zakim]: ... trackbot, renoirb
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15:02:07 [fjh]: zakim, aaaa is Matt_Haas
15:02:07 [Zakim]: +Matt_Haas; got it
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15:02:17 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
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15:02:34 [fjh]: zakim, Matt_Haas is unknown
15:02:34 [Zakim]: +unknown; got it
15:02:39 [fjh]: zakim, who is here?
15:02:39 [Zakim]: On the phone I see fjh, azaroth, TimCole, dwhly, dauwhe, unknown, Kyrce, Matt_Haas.a, Ivan, [IPcaller]
15:02:41 [Zakim]: On IRC I see BillKasdorf, TimC, bjdmeest, rayd, Jacob, Kyrce, matt, TimCole, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, fjh, KevinMarks, ivan, Mitar, bigbluehat, JakeHart, dwhly, tripu,
15:02:41 [Zakim]: ... nickstenn, stain, MarkS, trackbot, renoirb
15:02:49 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller.a]
15:03:08 [Zakim]: +[Ugent]
15:03:12 [Zakim]: +Bill_Kasdorf
15:03:14 [Zakim]: +rayd
15:03:53 [bjdmeest]: zakim, Ugent is me
15:03:53 [Zakim]: +bjdmeest; got it
15:03:56 [JakeHart]: Present +JakeHart
15:03:59 [fjh]: Present+ Bill_Kasdorf
15:04:09 [bjdmeest]: zakim, mute me
15:04:10 [Zakim]: bjdmeest should now be muted
15:04:16 [rayd]: present+ Ray Denenberg
15:04:25 [azaroth]: Present+ Rob Sanderson
15:04:37 [nickstenn]: Zakim, IPcaller.a is me
15:04:37 [Zakim]: +nickstenn; got it
15:04:41 [nickstenn]: comme ca?
15:04:49 [azaroth]: :)
15:04:53 [TimCole]: Present+ Tim_Cole
15:04:57 [nickstenn]: present+ nickstenn
15:05:04 [bjdmeest]: Present+ bjdmeest
15:05:35 [azaroth]: https://www.w3.org/annotation/wiki/Scribe_List
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15:05:54 [azaroth]: Any volunteers to scribe?
15:05:55 [fjh]: Topic: Administrative, Scribe, Announcements and Minutes Approval
15:05:58 [dwhly]: i'm happy to scribe, but i've never done it before
15:05:59 [azaroth]: Or shall we pick someone?
15:06:08 [fjh]: zakim, pick a victim
15:06:08 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose TimCole
15:06:17 [Matt_Haas]: present +Matt_Haas
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15:06:31 [azaroth]: zakim, [IPcaller] is paoloC
15:06:31 [Zakim]: +paoloC; got it
15:06:34 [ivan]: scribenick: TimCole
15:06:41 [paoloC]: present+ Paolo_Ciccarese
15:06:47 [azaroth]: zakim, who is here?
15:06:47 [Zakim]: On the phone I see fjh, azaroth, TimCole, dwhly, dauwhe, unknown, Kyrce, Matt_Haas.a, Ivan, paoloC, nickstenn, bjdmeest (muted), Bill_Kasdorf, rayd
15:06:49 [Zakim]: On IRC I see paoloC, MGU, BillKasdorf, TimC, bjdmeest, rayd, Jacob, Kyrce, Matt_Haas, TimCole, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, fjh, KevinMarks, ivan, Mitar, bigbluehat, JakeHart,
15:06:49 [Zakim]: ... dwhly, tripu, nickstenn, stain, MarkS, trackbot, renoirb
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15:07:23 [TimCole]: fjh: Make your arrangements for TPAC soon.
15:07:24 [rayd]: marriot not full monday night
15:08:19 [Zakim]: + +1.617.768.aabb
15:08:34 [ivan]: zakim, aabb is TimC
15:08:35 [Zakim]: +TimC; got it
15:08:48 [TimCole]: Topic: approve minutes
15:09:36 [fjh]: draft RESOLUTION: Minutes from last week approved
15:09:41 [Zakim]: -paoloC
15:09:54 [TimCole]: RESOLUTION: Minutes from last week 17 Sept are approved
15:10:07 [fjh]: Topic: Charter review
15:10:21 [fjh]: see http://www.w3.org/annotation/charter/
15:11:01 [TimCole]: fjh: Charter will run 2 years
15:11:08 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller]
15:11:12 [TimCole]: ... iimportant to note that the Charter is public
15:11:33 [ivan]: s/iimportant/important/
15:11:36 [TimCole]: ... members and non-members do have different permissions, but we want to engage as many people as possible
15:11:46 [TimCole]: ... it's really simple, we are working in public
15:12:30 [TimCole]: ... we can still be respectful of people wanting to maintain details of implementation private
15:12:51 [TimCole]: ... for TPAC we will meet all day Tuesday
15:13:07 [TimCole]: ... value of annotation discussed in charter and are self-evident
15:13:29 [TimCole]: ... we are targeting particularly browser and reading systems
15:13:43 [TimCole]: ... need to cognizant of testing, interop, etc.
15:14:20 [TimCole]: ... first 2 deliverables build on work of OA CG
15:14:36 [TimCole]: ... short timeline, but OA CG gives a good strong
15:14:58 [TimCole]: azaroth: Let's summarize briefly first, then go back through to ascertain interest
15:15:36 [TimCole]: fjh: benefits sometimes to working separately, sometimes together
15:16:07 [TimCole]: ... first 2 deliverables --abstract model and serialization
15:16:24 [TimCole]: ... then HTTP API and Client Side API
15:16:42 [TimCole]: ... finally the robust link anchoring
15:17:12 [TimCole]: ... the last will be done in collaboration with Web Apps WG -- so probably a Task Force
15:17:42 [TimCole]: ... success criteria: we will have 2 'real' implementations (as is typical)
15:18:05 [TimCole]: ... implementations must be independent -- different underlying code libraries.
15:18:33 [TimCole]: ... we need to be clear about what is an 'implementation'
15:19:01 [TimCole]: ... for browser we may not expect a fully deployed in the browser
15:19:10 [TimCole]: ... out of scope is user interface
15:19:41 [TimCole]: ... if it makes sense we can combine documentation to cover the deliverables
15:19:53 [TimCole]: ... the charter lays out a timeline
15:20:06 [TimCole]: ... for example a working draft of the model by December
15:20:23 [TimCole]: ... working drafts should be complete, but don't have to be perfect
15:20:45 [TimCole]: ... in February next 4 deliverables, an aggressive timeline.
15:21:03 [ivan]: q+
15:21:06 [ivan]: q-
15:21:16 [paoloC]: present+ Paolo_Ciccarese
15:21:47 [TimCole]: ... by the end of next year we should have specs that are stable and in good shape
15:22:02 [TimCole]: ... implementations earlier are better since they inform us as we go along
15:22:30 [TimCole]: ... timeline suggests a possible f2f in February
15:22:52 [Zakim]: +??P10
15:23:03 [TimCole]: Ivan: we put this into the charter, but f2f are more advice rather than requirements
15:23:31 [TimCole]: ... will be up to us to decide when we need f2f, should make decision later
15:23:54 [TimCole]: ... there is a rule that f2f date must be agreed in the group at least 8 weeks ahead of date for f2f
15:24:35 [Zakim]: -??P10
15:24:38 [TimCole]: fjh: Dependencies and liaisons
15:24:55 [Zakim]: +??P10
15:25:01 [TimCole]: ... we have a large number of liaisons, we may be able to take advantage of TPAC to start these
15:25:17 [Zakim]: -??P10
15:25:23 [TimCole]: ... we also need to liaison with closely with EPub
15:25:48 [ivan]: s/EPub/DPUB IG/
15:25:48 [TimCole]: Ivan: we have good overlap with DPub IG which has close relations with EPub
15:26:03 [TimCole]: fjh: not clear how best to liaison with the OA CG
15:26:21 [TimCole]: ... when should we ask for discussion on the CG?
15:26:37 [TimCole]: ... can we clear about what we need to discuss there rather than here
15:27:14 [TimCole]: azaroth: we should relay information to CG as we can, but for discussion about work the WG is doing, best to do that on the WG lists
15:27:48 [TimCole]: Paolo: agree. CG is good for acquiring implementation feedback, community clustering, use cases, CG a good venue for that
15:28:01 [TimCole]: ... leave the discussion about deliverables to the WG lists
15:28:09 [Jacob]: +1 to Rob & Paolo's ideas
15:28:09 [azaroth]: +1 to paoloC
15:28:37 [TimCole]: fjh: participation, active is good, not active doesn't help
15:28:58 [TimCole]: ... we have a home page, but wiki is becoming important.
15:29:23 [Zakim]: +??P10
15:29:40 [Zakim]: -??P10
15:29:41 [TimCole]: ... if we do a resolution, it is provisional for 5 days. this gives people who couldn't make the call time to comment
15:30:12 [TimCole]: ... this approach obviates the need for some of higher overhead, more formal mechanisms for consensus
15:30:37 [TimCole]: azaroth: please give a +1 for consensus, +0 don't understand, etc.
15:31:06 [TimCole]: fjh: we will first do informal agreement to make sure everyone understands
15:31:27 [TimCole]: ... when we do bigger things, e.g., documents, we will do formal call for consensus
15:31:54 [TimCole]: ... if we use +1 approach the more formal approvals will flow naturally.
15:32:27 [TimCole]: ... not going into patent processes in detail, but please be aware of the terms and conditions
15:32:39 [TimCole]: ... these matter, please look at offline and be sure you understand.
15:32:47 [ivan]: q?
15:33:58 [TimCole]: azaroth: First deliverable is the Abstract Data Model, starting point is the OA CG model
15:34:20 [TimCole]: ... there were some things that are mature and some things that need more work
15:34:39 [ivan]: +1
15:34:39 [Zakim]: +??P10
15:34:40 [paoloC]: +1
15:34:41 [fjh]: +1
15:34:42 [TimC]: +1
15:34:43 [TimCole]: ... who is interested in abstract data model?
15:34:49 [Jacob]: +1
15:34:50 [rayd]: +1
15:34:50 [Kyrce]: +1
15:34:52 [nickstenn]: +0
15:34:54 [TimCole]: +0
15:34:55 [Matt_Haas]: +1
15:34:56 [Zakim]: -??P10
15:35:00 [JakeHart]: +0
15:35:00 [bjdmeest]: +0
15:35:02 [BillKasdorf]: +0
15:35:12 [dwhly]: +0
15:35:35 [TimCole]: azaroth: 2nd deliverable is a vocabulary for expressing the data model
15:35:37 [paoloC]: +1
15:35:39 [TimC]: +1
15:35:39 [rayd]: +1 vocab
15:35:41 [fjh]: +1
15:35:43 [Kyrce]: +1
15:35:43 [ivan]: +1
15:35:44 [BillKasdorf]: +1
15:35:45 [Matt_Haas]: +1
15:35:47 [TimCole]: +0
15:35:48 [nickstenn]: +0
15:35:49 [bjdmeest]: +1
15:35:51 [Jacob]: +1
15:35:56 [JakeHart]: +0
15:36:06 [MGU]: +1
15:36:32 [TimCole]: azaroth: 3rd model is serialization. there are some obvious choices and some less obvious choices like how does this play with HTML5
15:36:40 [fjh]: +1
15:36:43 [ivan]: +0
15:36:43 [nickstenn]: +1
15:36:50 [Jacob]: +1
15:36:50 [BillKasdorf]: +0
15:36:55 [TimCole]: ... do we need a note element in HTML5, how does it work in RDFa
15:36:56 [JakeHart]: +1
15:37:03 [paoloC]: +0
15:37:05 [TimCole]: ... who is interested in serialization
15:37:07 [TimCole]: +1
15:37:12 [Matt_Haas]: +0
15:37:12 [Kyrce]: +1
15:37:14 [bjdmeest]: +1
15:37:18 [BillKasdorf]: +1
15:37:25 [rayd]: +1 serialization
15:37:34 [TimCole]: azaroth: 4th topic is HTTP API
15:37:52 [paoloC]: +1
15:37:57 [Jacob]: +0
15:37:57 [TimCole]: ... this about interaction between annotation clients and tools
15:37:58 [fjh]: +1 http api
15:38:01 [ivan]: +0
15:38:01 [BillKasdorf]: +0
15:38:02 [TimCole]: +0
15:38:04 [bjdmeest]: +0
15:38:05 [nickstenn]: +1
15:38:06 [Kyrce]: +0
15:38:09 [TimC]: +0
15:38:11 [Matt_Haas]: +0
15:38:11 [rayd]: +0 api
15:38:15 [JakeHart]: +1
15:38:21 [MGU]: +1 http api
15:38:43 [TimCole]: azaroth: 5th topic is javascript / Client side API for browsers and reading systems to implement to make it easier to implement annotation client
15:38:47 [ivan]: +1
15:38:49 [nickstenn]: +1 :)
15:38:50 [Jacob]: +0
15:38:51 [Matt_Haas]: +0
15:38:51 [TimCole]: +1
15:38:53 [JakeHart]: +1
15:38:54 [BillKasdorf]: +0
15:38:54 [fjh]: +1 client side
15:38:56 [paoloC]: +1
15:38:58 [Kyrce]: +0
15:39:09 [rayd]: +0
15:39:13 [TimCole]: azaroth: I am +1 on everything.
15:39:14 [bjdmeest]: +1
15:39:51 [TimCole]: azaroth: Final topic is robust anchoring, how do we know that when future user comes to resource they still know where the annotation is anchored
15:39:52 [dwhly]: +1
15:39:53 [ivan]: +1
15:39:54 [Kyrce]: +1
15:39:55 [Matt_Haas]: +0
15:39:57 [paoloC]: +0
15:39:58 [fjh]: +1 anchoring
15:39:58 [Jacob]: +0
15:40:00 [rayd]: +0
15:40:01 [bjdmeest]: +0
15:40:02 [TimCole]: ... HTML is first topic, others as time allows
15:40:04 [TimCole]: +0
15:40:06 [BillKasdorf]: +0
15:40:07 [JakeHart]: +0
15:40:13 [MGU]: +1
15:40:25 [nickstenn]: +1
15:40:37 [TimCole]: azaroth: Turning to implementations
15:41:01 [Zakim]: +??P4
15:41:02 [TimCole]: ... what is state of implementations you have or are developing
15:41:33 [fjh]: zakim, who is making noise?
15:41:39 [Zakim]: -??P4
15:41:44 [Zakim]: fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: azaroth (66%), ??P4 (24%)
15:41:45 [TimCole]: azaroth: these should demonstrate that features can be implemented (as opposed to exercises in futility)
15:42:03 [TimCole]: ... can it be implemented independently by separate parties
15:42:11 [paoloC]: q+
15:42:20 [nickstenn]: q+
15:42:31 [TimCole]: q+
15:42:43 [fjh]: ack paoloC
15:42:47 [ivan]: ack paoloC
15:42:48 [azaroth]: ack paoloC
15:42:55 [paoloC]: Annotopia
15:43:04 [paoloC]: https://github.com/Annotopia
15:43:07 [azaroth]: q+
15:43:12 [TimCole]: paoloC: at MGH we have been working in last 6 month on Annotopia -- open source OA annotation server
15:43:39 [TimCole]: ... allows you to save and retrieve annotations, have a dashboard for information about the annotations, etc.
15:44:17 [TimCole]: ... includes specalized annotations for biomedical use cases
15:44:33 [TimCole]: ... works with HTML, etc.
15:44:46 [TimCole]: ... Works with multiple clients
15:45:02 [TimCole]: ... will also support the annotator js format
15:45:12 [TimCole]: ... will also support text mining
15:45:14 [fjh]: two client implementations, not sure of names
15:45:33 [TimC]: Domeo and Utopia
15:45:45 [TimCole]: paoloC: we will keep up with specs as developed by the WG
15:45:45 [TimC]: Domeo is from MGH/Harvard
15:45:51 [TimC]: Utopia is from Manchester
15:46:06 [azaroth]: q?
15:46:09 [fjh]: fantastic
15:46:14 [azaroth]: ack nickstenn
15:46:25 [TimCole]: nickstenn: working on Annotator
15:46:45 [TimCole]: ... while Annotator is easily mappable to OA data model
15:46:52 [TimCole]: ... keen to make it more compatible
15:47:18 [TimCole]: ... first by making a client side implementation of OA data model, this will require working through serialization
15:47:21 [paoloC]: q+
15:47:46 [TimCole]: ... 2nd part is a server side implementation -- annotation storing, retrieving, etc.
15:48:09 [TimCole]: ... very interested in Client Side implementation goes.
15:49:04 [ivan]: scribenick: azaroth
15:49:14 [TimCole]: azaroth: will be extremely important for advancing client side implementations
15:49:14 [azaroth]: ack TimCole
15:49:35 [ivan]: ack paoloC
15:49:47 [TimCole]: paoloC: in our experience selectors are important for interoperability
15:50:29 [azaroth]: TimCole: Not independent, using annotator codebase for our work on digitized book materials, both image and text
15:50:59 [azaroth]: ... backend is from U Queensland, updated to work as backend for annotator, plus image plugins
15:51:29 [azaroth]: ... use case is annotating scholarly materials, scholars of renaissance materials. Working in test at the moment.
15:51:30 [fjh]: nick notes summary - 1) Annotator client-side work, 2) Server-side implementation, 3) Polyfill for whatever the DOM APIs end up looking like
15:51:32 [ivan]: scribenick: TimCole
15:51:36 [azaroth]: q?
15:51:39 [azaroth]: ack azaroth
15:51:43 [fjh]: q+
15:52:10 [TimCole]: azaroth: Stanford is also very keen to work with others, have ongoing engineering work to build a LD back end for annotations
15:52:39 [TimCole]: azaroth: interest in cultural heritage materials, born digital scholarly materials, etc.
15:53:04 [TimCole]: ... want to make sure implementations are compatible, best of breed.
15:54:05 [Zakim]: +[IPcaller.a]
15:54:06 [TimCole]: fjh: question: are we using things from other places -- how independent?
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15:54:50 [nickstenn]: Zakim: IPcaller.a is aron_
15:54:52 [fjh]: TimCole: use plugins for extensibiilty, also forked annotator code
15:54:59 [fjh]: … to handle images differently
15:55:11 [fjh]: … implememtations overlap, makes maintenance a challenge
15:55:11 [nickstenn]: Zakim, IPcaller.a is aron_
15:55:11 [Zakim]: +aron_; got it
15:55:42 [fjh]: … not wholly independent on client side, server side is more shared
15:56:16 [TimCole]: yes, Lorestore
15:56:51 [TimCole]: azaroth: logistics of workflows before closing, discuss more on the mailing list
15:57:10 [TimCole]: ivan: we have options at W3C for working collaboratively
15:57:37 [TimCole]: ivan: CVS still available, newer is github
15:57:49 [TimCole]: ... W3C also has a mercurial repository
15:58:04 [TimCole]: ... I would propose we agree to work on github for all of our documents
15:58:14 [MGU]: +1 for github
15:58:23 [azaroth]: +1 for github
15:58:24 [nickstenn]: I'm +1 to git, +0 for GitHub
15:58:24 [paoloC]: +1 for github
15:58:32 [Jacob]: +1 for github
15:58:41 [TimCole]: ... if we use github, user accounts are not bound to W3C, so each member must communicate by email to ivan their github account
15:58:41 [dauwhe]: +1 for hg :)
15:58:43 [nickstenn]: ...and -INT_MAX for CVS
15:58:47 [bjdmeest]: +1 for github
15:59:04 [TimCole]: ... we set up main branch as gh_pages
15:59:06 [Zakim]: -dauwhe
15:59:34 [TimCole]: ivan: do we need to discuss or can we agree now?
15:59:41 [nickstenn]: question: is there a W3C backup of the GitHub repository?
16:00:01 [fjh]: RESOLUTION: WG use github for repository
16:00:14 [TimCole]: ivan: will set up a github repository this week.
16:00:49 [TimCole]: ivan: W3C has a tracker set up, advantage of tracker is bound to IRC
16:00:53 [fjh]: q+
16:00:54 [Kyrce]: Agree with you nickstenn re: backup
16:01:10 [TimCole]: ... this allows us to setup actions etc. via irc and email
16:01:29 [TimCole]: ivan: the other possibility is to use github issue handling.
16:01:52 [azaroth]: Apologies, I need to drop out for a different call
16:01:58 [TimCole]: ivan: may need to discuss issue tracking on the email list this week
16:02:09 [Zakim]: -azaroth
16:02:23 [fjh]: q?
16:02:26 [fjh]: ack fjh
16:02:27 [TimCole]: nicksteen via fjh: what is risk of losing data on github
16:02:47 [fjh]: we should explore automating pull of github for w3c archive as backup mechanism
16:02:48 [TimCole]: ivan: W3C is planning to capture periodically, but not in place yet
16:03:11 [TimCole]: ... real risk, if we keep local archives up to date, is minimal.
16:04:07 [Zakim]: -TimC
16:04:42 [fjh]: Topic: Adjorn
16:04:59 [Zakim]: -rayd
16:05:00 [Zakim]: -Matt_Haas.a
16:05:00 [Zakim]: -fjh
16:05:01 [Zakim]: -aron_
16:05:03 [Zakim]: -TimCole
16:05:04 [Zakim]: -Bill_Kasdorf
16:05:05 [Zakim]: -[IPcaller]
16:05:05 [Zakim]: -nickstenn
16:05:06 [ivan]: rrsagent, draft minutes
16:05:06 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/24-annotation-minutes.html ivan
16:05:07 [Zakim]: -bjdmeest
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16:06:41 [ivan]: zakim, who is here?
16:06:41 [Zakim]: On the phone I see no one
16:06:43 [Zakim]: On IRC I see paoloC, TimC, rayd, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, fjh, KevinMarks, ivan, Mitar, bigbluehat, JakeHart, dwhly, tripu, nickstenn, stain, MarkS, trackbot
16:06:48 [ivan]: trackbot, end telcon
16:06:48 [trackbot]: Zakim, list attendees
16:06:48 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been fjh, azaroth, TimCole, dwhly, dauwhe, Kyrce, +1.617.768.aaaa, Ivan, unknown, Bill_Kasdorf, rayd, bjdmeest, nickstenn, paoloC,
16:06:51 [Zakim]: ... +1.617.768.aabb, TimC, [IPcaller], aron_
16:06:56 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:06:56 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/24-annotation-minutes.html trackbot
16:06:57 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, bye
16:06:57 [RRSAgent]: I see no action items