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14:29:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2666
14:29:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference
14:29:17 <trackbot> Date: 24 September 2014
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14:49:08 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Sep/0040.html
14:49:23 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: zakim code 3627 +1.617.761.6200 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Sep/0040.html
14:49:57 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch, Rob_Sanderson
14:50:08 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch, Rob_Sanderson
14:50:46 <fjh> Regrets+ Doug_Schepers
14:51:20 <tripu> Regrets+ tripu
14:52:51 <tripu> fjh: http://www.w3.org/People/Antonio/
14:53:00 <tripu> cheers
14:53:08 <fjh> s/cheers//
14:53:17 <fjh> s/fjh: http.*/
14:53:23 <fjh> s/fjh: http.*//
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14:53:49 <azaroth> Morning folks!
14:53:57 <azaroth> (or at least it is for me)
14:53:59 <fjh> Regrets- tripu
14:54:01 <fjh> Regrets+ Antonio_Olmo_Titos(tripu)
14:54:22 <azaroth> Hi Frederick :)
14:55:57 <fjh> zakim, code?
14:55:57 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I don't know what conference this is
14:56:28 <fjh> zakim, this is annotation
14:56:28 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not see a conference named 'annotation' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:57:10 <azaroth> zakim, this is DPUB_(ANNO)
14:57:10 <Zakim> azaroth, I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be DPUB_(ANNO)".
14:57:10 <fjh> zakim, this is anno
14:57:12 <Zakim> fjh, I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be anno".
14:57:24 <fjh> zakim, code?
14:57:24 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I don't know what conference this is
14:57:29 <azaroth> zakim, this will be DPUB_(ANNO)
14:57:29 <Zakim> ok, azaroth; I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:35 <fjh> zakim, this will be 2666
14:57:35 <Zakim> ok, fjh; I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:43 <fjh> zakim, code?
14:57:43 <Zakim> the conference code is 2666 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
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14:58:12 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has now started
14:58:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:58:20 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:58:21 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:58:31 <Zakim> +azaroth
14:59:03 <azaroth> zakim, who is here
14:59:03 <Zakim> azaroth, you need to end that query with '?'
14:59:05 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
14:59:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, azaroth
14:59:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see TimCole, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, fjh, KevinMarks, ivan, Mitar, bigbluehat, JakeHart, dwhly, tripu, nickstenn, stain, MarkS, trackbot, renoirb
14:59:17 <JakeHart> Am I supposed to record this meeting? I have the software at hand.
14:59:27 <Zakim> +TimCole
14:59:27 <matt> matt has joined #annotation
14:59:32 <azaroth> JakeHart: that would be great if possible
14:59:38 <JakeHart> Cool. Will do.
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14:59:57 <Zakim> +dwhly
15:00:02 <Zakim> +dauwhe
15:00:09 <Zakim> +Matt_Haas
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15:00:26 <dwhly> g'morning lord zakim
15:00:28 <Zakim> +Kyrce
15:00:52 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: 2666 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Sep/0040.html
15:00:53 <Zakim> + +1.617.768.aaaa
15:00:59 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: code 2666 agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Sep/0040.html
15:01:04 <matt> matt is me +Matt_Haas (Is this statement the corrected protocol?)
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15:01:49 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-aix
15:01:49 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:01:50 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:01:51 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:01:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, azaroth, TimCole, dwhly, dauwhe, Matt_Haas, Kyrce, +1.617.768.aaaa, Ivan (muted)
15:01:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see rayd, Jacob, Kyrce, matt, TimCole, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, fjh, KevinMarks, ivan, Mitar, bigbluehat, JakeHart, dwhly, tripu, nickstenn, stain, MarkS,
15:01:53 <Zakim> ... trackbot, renoirb
15:02:03 <bjdmeest> bjdmeest has joined #annotation
15:02:07 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is Matt_Haas
15:02:07 <Zakim> +Matt_Haas; got it
15:02:14 <TimC> TimC has joined #annotation
15:02:17 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:31 <BillKasdorf> BillKasdorf has joined #annotation
15:02:34 <fjh> zakim, Matt_Haas is unknown
15:02:34 <Zakim> +unknown; got it
15:02:39 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:02:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, azaroth, TimCole, dwhly, dauwhe, unknown, Kyrce, Matt_Haas.a, Ivan, [IPcaller]
15:02:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see BillKasdorf, TimC, bjdmeest, rayd, Jacob, Kyrce, matt, TimCole, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, fjh, KevinMarks, ivan, Mitar, bigbluehat, JakeHart, dwhly, tripu,
15:02:41 <Zakim> ... nickstenn, stain, MarkS, trackbot, renoirb
15:02:49 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:03:08 <Zakim> +[Ugent]
15:03:12 <Zakim> +Bill_Kasdorf
15:03:14 <Zakim> +rayd
15:03:53 <bjdmeest> zakim, Ugent is me
15:03:53 <Zakim> +bjdmeest; got it
15:03:56 <JakeHart> Present +JakeHart
15:03:59 <fjh> Present+ Bill_Kasdorf
15:04:09 <bjdmeest> zakim, mute me
15:04:10 <Zakim> bjdmeest should now be muted
15:04:16 <rayd> present+ Ray Denenberg
15:04:25 <azaroth> Present+ Rob Sanderson
15:04:37 <nickstenn> Zakim, IPcaller.a is me
15:04:37 <Zakim> +nickstenn; got it
15:04:41 <nickstenn> comme ca?
15:04:49 <azaroth> :)
15:04:53 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole
15:04:57 <nickstenn> present+ nickstenn
15:05:04 <bjdmeest> Present+ bjdmeest
15:05:35 <azaroth> https://www.w3.org/annotation/wiki/Scribe_List
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15:05:54 <azaroth> Any volunteers to scribe?
15:05:55 <fjh> Topic: Administrative, Scribe, Announcements and Minutes Approval
15:05:58 <dwhly> i'm happy to scribe, but i've never done it before
15:05:59 <azaroth> Or shall we pick someone?
15:06:08 <fjh> zakim, pick a victim
15:06:08 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose TimCole
15:06:17 <Matt_Haas> present +Matt_Haas
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15:06:31 <azaroth> zakim, [IPcaller] is paoloC
15:06:31 <Zakim> +paoloC; got it
15:06:34 <ivan> scribenick: TimCole
15:06:41 <paoloC> present+ Paolo_Ciccarese
15:06:47 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
15:06:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, azaroth, TimCole, dwhly, dauwhe, unknown, Kyrce, Matt_Haas.a, Ivan, paoloC, nickstenn, bjdmeest (muted), Bill_Kasdorf, rayd
15:06:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see paoloC, MGU, BillKasdorf, TimC, bjdmeest, rayd, Jacob, Kyrce, Matt_Haas, TimCole, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, fjh, KevinMarks, ivan, Mitar, bigbluehat, JakeHart,
15:06:49 <Zakim> ... dwhly, tripu, nickstenn, stain, MarkS, trackbot, renoirb
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15:07:23 <TimCole> fjh: Make your arrangements for TPAC soon.
15:07:24 <rayd> marriot not full monday night
15:08:19 <Zakim> + +1.617.768.aabb
15:08:34 <ivan> zakim, aabb is TimC
15:08:35 <Zakim> +TimC; got it
15:08:48 <TimCole> Topic: approve minutes
15:09:36 <fjh> draft RESOLUTION: Minutes from last week approved
15:09:41 <Zakim> -paoloC
15:09:54 <TimCole> RESOLUTION: Minutes from last week 17 Sept are approved
15:10:07 <fjh> Topic: Charter review
15:10:21 <fjh> see http://www.w3.org/annotation/charter/
15:11:01 <TimCole> fjh: Charter will run 2 years
15:11:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:11:12 <TimCole> ... iimportant to note that the Charter is public
15:11:33 <ivan> s/iimportant/important/
15:11:36 <TimCole> ... members and non-members do have different permissions, but we want to engage as many people as possible
15:11:46 <TimCole> ... it's really simple, we are working in public
15:12:30 <TimCole> ... we can still be respectful of people wanting to maintain details of implementation private
15:12:51 <TimCole> ... for TPAC we will meet all day Tuesday
15:13:07 <TimCole> ... value of annotation discussed in charter and are self-evident
15:13:29 <TimCole> ... we are targeting particularly browser and reading systems
15:13:43 <TimCole> ... need to cognizant of testing, interop, etc.
15:14:20 <TimCole> ... first 2 deliverables build on work of OA CG
15:14:36 <TimCole> ... short timeline, but OA CG gives a good strong
15:14:58 <TimCole> azaroth: Let's summarize briefly first, then go back through to ascertain interest
15:15:36 <TimCole> fjh: benefits sometimes to working separately, sometimes together
15:16:07 <TimCole> ... first 2 deliverables --abstract model and serialization
15:16:24 <TimCole> ... then HTTP API and Client Side API
15:16:42 <TimCole> ... finally the robust link anchoring
15:17:12 <TimCole> ... the last will be done in collaboration with Web Apps WG -- so probably a Task Force
15:17:42 <TimCole> ... success criteria: we will have 2 'real' implementations (as is typical)
15:18:05 <TimCole> ... implementations must be independent -- different underlying code libraries.
15:18:33 <TimCole> ... we need to be clear about what is an 'implementation'
15:19:01 <TimCole> ... for browser we may not expect a fully deployed in the browser
15:19:10 <TimCole> ... out of scope  is user interface
15:19:41 <TimCole> ... if it makes sense we can combine documentation to cover the deliverables
15:19:53 <TimCole> ... the charter lays out a timeline
15:20:06 <TimCole> ... for example a working draft of the model by December
15:20:23 <TimCole> ... working drafts should be complete, but don't have to be perfect
15:20:45 <TimCole> ... in February next 4 deliverables, an aggressive timeline.
15:21:03 <ivan> q+
15:21:06 <ivan> q-
15:21:16 <paoloC> present+ Paolo_Ciccarese
15:21:47 <TimCole> ... by the end of next year we should have specs that are stable and in good shape
15:22:02 <TimCole> ... implementations earlier are better since they inform us as we go along
15:22:30 <TimCole> ... timeline suggests a possible f2f in February
15:22:52 <Zakim> +??P10
15:23:03 <TimCole> Ivan: we put this into the charter, but f2f are more advice rather than requirements
15:23:31 <TimCole> ... will be up to us to decide when we need f2f, should make decision later
15:23:54 <TimCole> ... there is a rule that f2f date must be agreed in the group at least 8 weeks ahead of date for f2f
15:24:35 <Zakim> -??P10
15:24:38 <TimCole> fjh: Dependencies and liaisons
15:24:55 <Zakim> +??P10
15:25:01 <TimCole> ... we have a large number of liaisons, we may be able to take advantage of TPAC to start these
15:25:17 <Zakim> -??P10
15:25:23 <TimCole> ... we also need to liaison with closely with EPub
15:25:48 <ivan> s/EPub/DPUB IG/
15:25:48 <TimCole> Ivan: we have good overlap with DPub IG which has close relations with EPub
15:26:03 <TimCole> fjh: not clear how best to liaison with the OA CG
15:26:21 <TimCole> ... when should we ask for discussion on the CG?
15:26:37 <TimCole> ... can we clear about what we need to discuss there rather than here
15:27:14 <TimCole> azaroth: we should relay information to CG as we can, but for discussion about work the WG is doing, best to do that on the WG lists
15:27:48 <TimCole> Paolo: agree. CG is good for acquiring implementation feedback, community clustering, use cases, CG a good venue for that
15:28:01 <TimCole> ... leave the discussion about deliverables to the WG lists
15:28:09 <Jacob> +1 to Rob & Paolo's ideas
15:28:09 <azaroth> +1 to paoloC
15:28:37 <TimCole> fjh: participation, active is good, not active doesn't help
15:28:58 <TimCole> ... we have a home page, but wiki is becoming important.
15:29:23 <Zakim> +??P10
15:29:40 <Zakim> -??P10
15:29:41 <TimCole> ... if we do a resolution, it is provisional for 5 days. this gives people who couldn't make the call time to comment
15:30:12 <TimCole> ... this approach obviates the need for  some of higher overhead, more formal mechanisms for consensus
15:30:37 <TimCole> azaroth: please give a +1 for consensus, +0 don't understand, etc.
15:31:06 <TimCole> fjh: we will first do informal agreement to make sure everyone understands
15:31:27 <TimCole> ... when we do bigger things, e.g., documents, we will do formal call for consensus
15:31:54 <TimCole> ... if we use +1 approach the more formal approvals will flow naturally.
15:32:27 <TimCole> ... not going into patent processes in detail, but please be aware of the terms and conditions
15:32:39 <TimCole> ... these matter, please look at offline and be sure you understand.
15:32:47 <ivan> q?
15:33:58 <TimCole> azaroth: First deliverable is the Abstract Data Model, starting point is the OA CG model
15:34:20 <TimCole> ... there were some things that are mature and some things that need more work
15:34:39 <ivan> +1
15:34:39 <Zakim> +??P10
15:34:40 <paoloC> +1
15:34:41 <fjh> +1
15:34:42 <TimC> +1
15:34:43 <TimCole> ... who is interested in abstract data model?
15:34:49 <Jacob> +1
15:34:50 <rayd> +1
15:34:50 <Kyrce> +1
15:34:52 <nickstenn> +0
15:34:54 <TimCole> +0
15:34:55 <Matt_Haas> +1
15:34:56 <Zakim> -??P10
15:35:00 <JakeHart> +0
15:35:00 <bjdmeest> +0
15:35:02 <BillKasdorf> +0
15:35:12 <dwhly> +0
15:35:35 <TimCole> azaroth: 2nd deliverable is a vocabulary for expressing the data model
15:35:37 <paoloC> +1
15:35:39 <TimC> +1
15:35:39 <rayd> +1 vocab
15:35:41 <fjh> +1
15:35:43 <Kyrce> +1
15:35:43 <ivan> +1
15:35:44 <BillKasdorf> +1
15:35:45 <Matt_Haas> +1
15:35:47 <TimCole> +0
15:35:48 <nickstenn> +0
15:35:49 <bjdmeest> +1
15:35:51 <Jacob> +1
15:35:56 <JakeHart> +0
15:36:06 <MGU> +1
15:36:32 <TimCole> azaroth: 3rd model is serialization. there are some obvious choices and some less obvious choices like how does this play with HTML5
15:36:40 <fjh> +1
15:36:43 <ivan> +0
15:36:43 <nickstenn> +1
15:36:50 <Jacob> +1
15:36:50 <BillKasdorf> +0
15:36:55 <TimCole> ... do we need a note element in HTML5, how does it work in RDFa
15:36:56 <JakeHart> +1
15:37:03 <paoloC> +0
15:37:05 <TimCole> ... who is interested in serialization
15:37:07 <TimCole> +1
15:37:12 <Matt_Haas> +0
15:37:12 <Kyrce> +1
15:37:14 <bjdmeest> +1
15:37:18 <BillKasdorf> +1
15:37:25 <rayd> +1 serialization
15:37:34 <TimCole> azaroth: 4th topic is HTTP API
15:37:52 <paoloC> +1
15:37:57 <Jacob> +0
15:37:57 <TimCole> ... this about interaction between annotation clients and tools
15:37:58 <fjh> +1 http api
15:38:01 <ivan> +0
15:38:01 <BillKasdorf> +0
15:38:02 <TimCole> +0
15:38:04 <bjdmeest> +0
15:38:05 <nickstenn> +1
15:38:06 <Kyrce> +0
15:38:09 <TimC> +0
15:38:11 <Matt_Haas> +0
15:38:11 <rayd> +0 api
15:38:15 <JakeHart> +1
15:38:21 <MGU> +1 http api
15:38:43 <TimCole> azaroth: 5th topic is javascript / Client side API for browsers and reading systems to implement to make it easier to implement annotation client
15:38:47 <ivan> +1
15:38:49 <nickstenn> +1 :)
15:38:50 <Jacob> +0
15:38:51 <Matt_Haas> +0
15:38:51 <TimCole> +1
15:38:53 <JakeHart> +1
15:38:54 <BillKasdorf> +0
15:38:54 <fjh> +1 client side
15:38:56 <paoloC> +1
15:38:58 <Kyrce> +0
15:39:09 <rayd> +0
15:39:13 <TimCole> azaroth: I am +1 on everything.
15:39:14 <bjdmeest> +1
15:39:51 <TimCole> azaroth: Final topic is robust anchoring, how do we know that when future user comes to resource they still know where the annotation is anchored
15:39:52 <dwhly> +1
15:39:53 <ivan> +1
15:39:54 <Kyrce> +1
15:39:55 <Matt_Haas> +0
15:39:57 <paoloC> +0
15:39:58 <fjh> +1 anchoring
15:39:58 <Jacob> +0
15:40:00 <rayd> +0
15:40:01 <bjdmeest> +0
15:40:02 <TimCole> ... HTML is first topic, others as time allows
15:40:04 <TimCole> +0
15:40:06 <BillKasdorf> +0
15:40:07 <JakeHart> +0
15:40:13 <MGU> +1
15:40:25 <nickstenn> +1
15:40:37 <TimCole> azaroth: Turning to implementations
15:41:01 <Zakim> +??P4
15:41:02 <TimCole> ... what is state of implementations you have or are developing
15:41:33 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
15:41:39 <Zakim> -??P4
15:41:44 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: azaroth (66%), ??P4 (24%)
15:41:45 <TimCole> azaroth: these should demonstrate that features can be implemented (as opposed to exercises in futility)
15:42:03 <TimCole> ... can it be implemented independently by separate parties
15:42:11 <paoloC> q+
15:42:20 <nickstenn> q+
15:42:31 <TimCole> q+
15:42:43 <fjh> ack paoloC
15:42:47 <ivan> ack paoloC
15:42:48 <azaroth> ack paoloC
15:42:55 <paoloC> Annotopia
15:43:04 <paoloC> https://github.com/Annotopia
15:43:07 <azaroth> q+
15:43:12 <TimCole> paoloC: at MGH we have been working in last 6 month on Annotopia -- open source OA annotation server
15:43:39 <TimCole> ... allows you to save and retrieve annotations, have a dashboard for information about the annotations, etc.
15:44:17 <TimCole> ... includes specalized annotations for biomedical use cases
15:44:33 <TimCole> ... works with HTML, etc.
15:44:46 <TimCole> ... Works with multiple clients
15:45:02 <TimCole> ... will also support the annotator js format
15:45:12 <TimCole> ... will also support text mining
15:45:14 <fjh> two client implementations, not sure of names
15:45:33 <TimC> Domeo and Utopia
15:45:45 <TimCole> paoloC: we will keep up with specs as developed by the WG
15:45:45 <TimC> Domeo is from MGH/Harvard
15:45:51 <TimC> Utopia is from Manchester
15:46:06 <azaroth> q?
15:46:09 <fjh> fantastic
15:46:14 <azaroth> ack nickstenn
15:46:25 <TimCole> nickstenn: working on Annotator
15:46:45 <TimCole> ... while Annotator is easily mappable to OA data model
15:46:52 <TimCole> ... keen to make it more compatible
15:47:18 <TimCole> ... first by making a client side implementation of OA data model, this will require working through serialization
15:47:21 <paoloC> q+
15:47:46 <TimCole> ... 2nd part is a server side implementation -- annotation storing, retrieving, etc.
15:48:09 <TimCole> ... very interested in Client Side implementation goes.
15:49:04 <ivan> scribenick: azaroth
15:49:14 <TimCole> azaroth: will be extremely important for advancing client side implementations
15:49:14 <azaroth> ack TimCole
15:49:35 <ivan> ack paoloC
15:49:47 <TimCole> paoloC: in our experience selectors are important for interoperability
15:50:29 <azaroth> TimCole: Not independent, using annotator codebase for our work on digitized book materials, both image and text
15:50:59 <azaroth> ... backend is from U Queensland, updated to work as backend for annotator, plus image plugins
15:51:29 <azaroth> ... use case is annotating scholarly materials, scholars of renaissance materials.  Working in test at the moment.
15:51:30 <fjh> nick notes summary - 1) Annotator client-side work, 2) Server-side implementation, 3) Polyfill for whatever the DOM APIs end up looking like
15:51:32 <ivan> scribenick: TimCole
15:51:36 <azaroth> q?
15:51:39 <azaroth> ack azaroth
15:51:43 <fjh> q+
15:52:10 <TimCole> azaroth: Stanford is also very keen to work with others, have ongoing engineering work to build a LD back end for annotations
15:52:39 <TimCole> azaroth: interest in cultural heritage materials, born digital scholarly materials, etc.
15:53:04 <TimCole> ... want to make sure implementations are compatible, best of breed.
15:54:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
15:54:06 <TimCole> fjh: question: are we using things from other places -- how independent?
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15:54:50 <nickstenn> Zakim: IPcaller.a is aron_
15:54:52 <fjh> TimCole: use plugins for extensibiilty, also forked annotator code
15:54:59 <fjh> … to handle images differently
15:55:11 <fjh> … implememtations overlap, makes maintenance a challenge
15:55:11 <nickstenn> Zakim, IPcaller.a is aron_
15:55:11 <Zakim> +aron_; got it
15:55:42 <fjh> … not wholly independent on client side, server side is more shared
15:56:16 <TimCole> yes, Lorestore
15:56:51 <TimCole> azaroth: logistics of workflows before closing, discuss more on the mailing list
15:57:10 <TimCole> ivan: we have options at W3C for working collaboratively
15:57:37 <TimCole> ivan: CVS still available, newer is github
15:57:49 <TimCole> ... W3C also has a mercurial repository
15:58:04 <TimCole> ... I would propose we agree to work on github for all of our documents
15:58:14 <MGU> +1 for github
15:58:23 <azaroth> +1 for github
15:58:24 <nickstenn> I'm +1 to git, +0 for GitHub
15:58:24 <paoloC> +1 for github
15:58:32 <Jacob> +1 for github
15:58:41 <TimCole> ... if we use github, user accounts are not bound to W3C, so each member must communicate by email to ivan their github account
15:58:41 <dauwhe> +1 for hg :)
15:58:43 <nickstenn> ...and -INT_MAX for CVS
15:58:47 <bjdmeest> +1 for github
15:59:04 <TimCole> ... we set up main branch as gh_pages
15:59:06 <Zakim> -dauwhe
15:59:34 <TimCole> ivan: do we need to discuss or can we agree now?
15:59:41 <nickstenn> question: is there a W3C backup of the GitHub repository?
16:00:01 <fjh> RESOLUTION: WG use github for repository
16:00:14 <TimCole> ivan: will set up a github repository this week.
16:00:49 <TimCole> ivan: W3C has a tracker set up, advantage of tracker is bound to IRC
16:00:53 <fjh> q+
16:00:54 <Kyrce> Agree with you nickstenn re: backup
16:01:10 <TimCole> ... this allows us to setup actions etc. via irc and email
16:01:29 <TimCole> ivan: the other possibility is to use github issue handling.
16:01:52 <azaroth> Apologies, I need to drop out for a different call
16:01:58 <TimCole> ivan: may need to discuss issue tracking on the email list this week
16:02:09 <Zakim> -azaroth
16:02:23 <fjh> q?
16:02:26 <fjh> ack fjh
16:02:27 <TimCole> nicksteen via fjh: what is risk of losing data on github
16:02:47 <fjh> we should explore automating pull of github for w3c archive as backup mechanism
16:02:48 <TimCole> ivan: W3C is planning to capture periodically, but not in place yet
16:03:11 <TimCole> ... real risk, if we keep local archives up to date, is minimal.
16:04:07 <Zakim> -TimC
16:04:42 <fjh> Topic: Adjorn
16:04:59 <Zakim> -rayd
16:05:00 <Zakim> -Matt_Haas.a
16:05:00 <Zakim> -fjh
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16:05:03 <Zakim> -TimCole
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16:05:05 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:05:05 <Zakim> -nickstenn
16:05:06 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:05:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/24-annotation-minutes.html ivan
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16:06:41 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:06:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
16:06:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see paoloC, TimC, rayd, azaroth, Zakim, RRSAgent, dauwhe, fjh, KevinMarks, ivan, Mitar, bigbluehat, JakeHart, dwhly, tripu, nickstenn, stain, MarkS, trackbot
16:06:48 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:06:48 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:06:48 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been fjh, azaroth, TimCole, dwhly, dauwhe, Kyrce, +1.617.768.aaaa, Ivan, unknown, Bill_Kasdorf, rayd, bjdmeest, nickstenn, paoloC,
16:06:51 <Zakim> ... +1.617.768.aabb, TimC, [IPcaller], aron_
16:06:56 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:06:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/24-annotation-minutes.html trackbot
16:06:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:06:57 <RRSAgent> I see no action items