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14:41:52 Zakim, this will be 2119
14:41:52 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 41 minutes ago
14:41:53 Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:41:53 Date: 18 September 2014
14:44:57 agenda?
14:45:18 Chair: Janina
14:45:18 agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:45:21 agenda+ TPAC 2014
14:45:23 agenda+ Longdesc CR Progress
14:45:26 agenda+ Our Alt Note http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/master/index.html
14:45:28 agenda+ HTML Process Tweaks Going Forward? http://darobin.github.io/after5/
14:45:31 agenda+ Other Business
14:45:33 agenda+ Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:45:36 agenda+ be done
14:46:43 zakim, next item
14:46:43 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
14:51:13 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
14:51:19 +??P3
14:51:24 zakim, ??P3 is me
14:51:24 +janina; got it
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14:56:24 +Liam
14:58:42 +Judy
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15:01:28 + +1.617.319.aaaa
15:01:38 zakim, aaaa is MarkS
15:01:38 +MarkS; got it
15:02:08 +[Microsoft]
15:02:15 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:02:15 +paulc; got it
15:03:02 +JF
15:03:54 scribe: MarkS
15:03:57 +Cynthia_Shelly
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15:04:20 zakim, agenda?
15:04:20 I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
15:04:21 1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:04:21 2. TPAC 2014 [from janina]
15:04:21 3. Longdesc CR Progress [from janina]
15:04:21 4. Our Alt Note http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/master/index.html [from janina]
15:04:21 5. HTML Process Tweaks Going Forward? http://darobin.github.io/after5/ [from janina]
15:04:22 6. Other Business [from janina]
15:04:23 7. Identify Chair and Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]
15:04:23 8. be done [from janina]
15:04:32 zakim, take up item 1
15:04:32 agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:04:45 zakim, next item
15:04:45 agendum 1 was just opened, janina
15:04:49 zakim, close item 1
15:04:49 agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed
15:04:51 I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:04:51 2. TPAC 2014 [from janina]
15:04:55 zakim, next item
15:04:55 agendum 2. "TPAC 2014" taken up [from janina]
15:05:23 JS: no additional information since our discussion a couple weeks ago.
15:05:32 ...Paul, anything of interest to us appear on the wiki lately?
15:06:01 PC: i need to get the wiki in shape. I will transcribe the issues from a couple weeks ago into that wiki.
15:06:41 JS: PF will be scheduling all meetings, otherwise we won't get to meet with everyone we want to.
15:06:52 +[IPcaller]
15:07:21 zakim, [IPcaller is leonie
15:07:21 +leonie; got it
15:07:33 zakim, next item
15:07:33 agendum 3. "Longdesc CR Progress" taken up [from janina]
15:07:36 ...schedule your hotel soon
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15:08:03 JS: waiting for director's decision. on hold until we hear more.
15:08:11 zakim, close this item
15:08:11 agendum 3 closed
15:08:12 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:12 4. Our Alt Note http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/master/index.html [from janina]
15:08:16 zakim, next item
15:08:16 JB: nothing to add at this time
15:08:16 agendum 4. "Our Alt Note http://rawgit.com/w3c/alt-techniques/master/index.html" taken up [from janina]
15:09:27 Liam: changed it to be a note (from ED). still needs a bit more work in the status section. there will be other pubrules type changes that will need to be done.
15:10:09 JS: Want to get started on this. It's easy to miss small details that require re-publication. Would like to get a lot of people to review it, me, judy, paul, etc.
15:11:01 JB: will need announcements prepared as well. Liam, we should meet on that.
15:11:31 JS: can we get this published next week? reasonable?
15:11:36 JB: sounds probable
15:12:19 Liam: publishing as a note doesn't mean it cannot be updatedin the future. will need to add longdesc guidance at the least.
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15:12:47 JS: there is work going on in ARIA which may also result in some changes to that document.
15:12:54 zakim, next item
15:12:54 agendum 5. "HTML Process Tweaks Going Forward? http://darobin.github.io/after5/" taken up [from janina]
15:13:26 hi whats the passcode?
15:13:59 JS: discussion on list about tweaks to the process for HTML5.1
15:14:15 ...also some external discussions, like on robin's blog.
15:14:56 ...discussions are picking up now that we are at a milestone stage. perhaps there are some thoughts from this group that need to be communicated.
15:15:15 Q+
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15:16:08 PC: robin blogged about this awhile ago and asked us to hold off until he did his lightning talk at the extensible web conf. He also started a thread on public open web list
15:16:12 +[IPcaller]
15:16:24 ...just starting. chairs would like to see what emerges.
15:16:35 zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:16:35 +SteveF_; got it
15:16:44 ...haven't had such a vibrant thread on public-html in quite some time, its good to see.
15:17:16 ack JF
15:17:18 JS: so it sounds like we should be reading public-html and participating in the discussion if we have input.
15:17:19 ...glad I brought it up.
15:17:37 CS: (early) congrats
15:17:44 PC: too early ;)
15:18:41 ack jf
15:19:17 q+
15:19:18 JF: Paul mentioned the thread on public-html. Seems like I'm only getting some of them... My concern is that there is confusion between a spec and a standard. that distinction is important to me
15:19:25 ...standards don't change.
15:19:39 ... a moving target is more of a specification.
15:19:42 ack s
15:19:48 ...should not abandon one in favor of other.
15:20:07 SF: From my understanding, the work mode...
15:20:17 +ShaneM
15:20:43 ...robin is promoting is getting more people involved in the early stages of discussions. ideas that emerge will still go through the process.
15:20:53 ...its about opening up the development to more people
15:22:00 JF: sounds to me like its a topic worthy of discussion. I think the W3C has done a lot to open up the process and add their voice. lots of complaints that its not open, but those people don't try to participate.
15:22:07 -SteveF_
15:22:15 q?
15:22:15 ...moving to git, promoting CGs is all very open IMO
15:22:31 agenda?
15:22:36 q+ to point out that the w3c is also a business
15:22:38 ...the discussion feels a little naive to me at times
15:22:49 ack s
15:22:49 ShaneM, you wanted to point out that the w3c is also a business
15:23:18 SM: I've worked for 3-4 industry consortia over the years. we have to remember that its a business too. there are bills to pay.
15:23:29 ...its not unreasonable to push back and make that point.
15:23:37 q?
15:24:24 JS: this group has good discussions on call, will continue to add this to the agenda.
15:24:29 zakim, next item
15:24:29 agendum 6. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
15:24:50 RS: Mark, how are we on Canvas testing?
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15:25:18 +[IPcaller]
15:25:39 zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:25:39 +SteveF_; got it
15:26:34 MS: will add tests over the next 5 days. next meeting is on 9/26
15:27:25 RS: in the test files we should describe clearly what success will be
15:28:58 JS: canvas has now become a TF under HTML. Mark and Rich are still active in that group and will represent a11y there.
15:29:28 TPAC agenda updated at https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2014-10-Agenda#F2F_Topics
15:29:33 ...unless there is specific issues for this group, I intend to keep reports on this work in Other business moving forward
15:29:47 ...no news on Media
15:30:12 PC: I have just finished cleaning up the agenda for TPAC. I added accessibility topics to the link above.
15:30:26 ...please review and let me know if any adjustments are needed.
15:30:55 -JF
15:30:56 JS: adjourned
15:30:56 -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:30:56 -leonie
15:30:58 -Cynthia_Shelly
15:30:59 -Judy
15:31:01 -ShaneM
15:31:02 -paulc
15:31:10 -Liam
15:31:32 -janina
15:31:33 -MarkS
15:31:35 -SteveF_
15:31:37 WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
15:31:37 Attendees were janina, Liam, Judy, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, +1.617.319.aaaa, MarkS, paulc, JF, Cynthia_Shelly, leonie, SteveF_, ShaneM
15:31:41 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:31:41 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/18-html-a11y-minutes.html paulc
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