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15:58:55 <harry> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:58:55 <Zakim> sorry, harry, I don't know what conference this is
15:58:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, elf-pavlik, AdamB, harry, Arnaud, aaronpk, rhiaro, oshepherd, Loqi, trackbot
16:00:24 <harry> I believe Mark Crawford, Larry Hawes, and Anne Bassetti have given
16:00:25 <harry> regrets
16:01:06 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:01:06 <Zakim> sorry, elf-pavlik, I don't know what conference this is
16:01:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, elf-pavlik, AdamB, harry, Arnaud, aaronpk, rhiaro, oshepherd, Loqi, trackbot
16:01:19 <Lloyd_Fassett_> Lloyd_Fassett_ has joined #socialIG
16:01:39 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, list
16:01:40 <Zakim> I see Team_(webdocs)15:13Z, WAI_PF()12:00PM, XML_XMLCore()11:30AM, T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM, T&S_Track(dnt)12:00PM active
16:01:42 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are Style_CSS FP()12:00PM, VB_VBWG(SCXML)12:00PM, SW_RDFWG()11:00AM, Team_(pointerevents)15:07Z, WAI_Team(WAIT)10:45AM, I18N_MLWWG()11:30AM
16:01:46 <harry> Zakim, this is SOCIG
16:01:46 <Zakim> ok, harry; that matches T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM
16:01:53 <harry> Zakim, who's on phone?
16:01:53 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, harry.
16:01:58 <harry> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:01:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.541.848.aaaa, +1.314.705.aabb, ??P17 (muted)
16:02:08 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, ??P17 is me
16:02:08 <Zakim> +elf-pavlik; got it
16:02:13 <harry> Zakim, what's the code?
16:02:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 76244 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), harry
16:02:47 <Lloyd_Fassett_> What is the command to associate "1.541.848.aaaa' with my name?
16:02:53 <AdamB> zakim, aabb is me
16:02:53 <Zakim> +AdamB; got it
16:03:02 <Zakim> +hhalpin
16:03:13 <harry> Zakim, x is aaaa
16:03:13 <Zakim> sorry, harry, I do not recognize a party named 'x'
16:03:17 <Lloyd_Fassett_> zakim, aaaa is me
16:03:17 <Zakim> sorry, Lloyd_Fassett_, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
16:03:31 <Lloyd_Fassett_> thank you
16:03:47 <elf-pavlik> Zakim, who's on the call?
16:03:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see Lloyd_Fassett_, AdamB, elf-pavlik (muted), hhalpin
16:04:19 <Zakim> +Arnaud
16:04:51 <harry> [trying to decide whether or not to cancel]
16:05:01 <harry> chair: hhalpin
16:06:08 <elf-pavlik> scribe: elf-pavlik
16:06:11 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett_: we want to avoid duplication of efforts with WG, spaking as *Vocabulary* TF lead
16:06:44 <elf-pavlik> harry: WG still debates syntax, IG can describe use cases which would calrify need for vocabularies
16:06:56 <elf-pavlik> we will try to match use cases to existing known vocabularies
16:07:30 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett_: spoken with jasnell over last weeks, he raised issue with governance of schema.org
16:07:33 <elf-pavlik> q+
16:08:00 <Zakim> +??P24
16:08:13 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett_: Vocabulary TF could define requirements to fair ownership over vocabulary, like schema.org
16:08:32 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett_: Q: does some organization exist who could host recommended vocabulary?
16:08:51 <elf-pavlik> harry: historicaly W3C doesn't host vocabularies
16:09:07 <elf-pavlik> in original TimBL vision, everyone can host vocabularies
16:09:29 <elf-pavlik> if we need to host, and governance of schema.org would make problem, W3C could host vocabs
16:09:46 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett_: maybe we could have hybrid where W3C could host cannonical version of vocabularie
16:09:56 <elf-pavlik> harry, vcard worked this way
16:10:08 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett_, where do I find info about hosting vcard by W3C?
16:10:17 <harry> http://www.w3.org/TR/vcard-rdf/
16:10:29 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett_: anything we want to add to Vocabulary TF?
16:10:31 <elf-pavlik> q?
16:11:01 <AdamB> AdamB
16:11:13 <elf-pavlik> AdamB: we find profiles interesting and federation of profiles
16:11:18 <elf-pavlik> q?
16:11:41 <elf-pavlik> harry: if you have some existing systems please share what kind of data you want to federate
16:12:38 <elf-pavlik> AdamB: happy to excercise in Boing some of the work we do here
16:13:17 <elf-pavlik> AdamB: we have various levels of expertise in vocab we use
16:13:44 <elf-pavlik> Lloyd_Fassett_: we miss vocab in skills domain
16:13:45 <elf-pavlik> +1
16:13:57 <elf-pavlik> i use http://smiy.sourceforge.net/cco/spec/cognitivecharacteristics.html#
16:14:13 <elf-pavlik> we also had chat with tantek today about http://jsonresume.org/
16:14:31 <elf-pavlik> harry: we need mass of information about existing systems and vocabs
16:14:56 <elf-pavlik> harry: strongly about vocabularies not grounded in actual existing systems, going bottom-up not top-down
16:15:03 <elf-pavlik> q?
16:15:14 <AdamB> q?
16:15:23 <AdamB> q+
16:15:44 <elf-pavlik> AdamB: US government taxonomies extermaly top-down
16:15:46 <harry> ack elf-pavlik
16:16:19 <elf-pavlik> http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/
16:16:38 <elf-pavlik> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Members_Directory_Use_Case
16:17:19 <harry> schepers@w3.org
16:17:49 <elf-pavlik> harry: suggest contacting schepers who works on certifications
16:17:53 <harry> ack AdamB
16:18:08 <elf-pavlik> AdamB: pattern - see what people use today and go from there
16:18:30 <elf-pavlik> harry: if you have particular need you try to cover in Boing, we want to ensure we cover it
16:18:50 <elf-pavlik> harry: and hopefully also open systems will implement it
16:18:55 <harry> q?
16:19:54 <elf-pavlik> Arnaud: we need to stay pragmatic and base our work on what people already do today, instead of dream
16:20:35 <elf-pavlik> Arnaud: i want to react to situation about schema.org, i like that they improved license but not the governance situation
16:20:51 <elf-pavlik> Arnaud: we can copy what we need to have stable reference
16:21:00 <elf-pavlik> we shouldn't stop using it about that
16:21:28 <elf-pavlik> W3C haven't publish a lot of vocabularies, but if needed nothing will stop it, we have ways to get it done
16:22:13 <elf-pavlik> harry: happy to see Lloyd_Fassett_ super pro active
16:22:23 <elf-pavlik> hope to see similar level of commitment from other folks
16:22:46 <elf-pavlik> harry: will talk with Mark about getting clear agendas
16:22:54 <Zakim> -Arnaud
16:22:56 <Zakim> -Lloyd_Fassett_
16:22:58 <Zakim> -AdamB
16:23:00 <Zakim> -hhalpin
16:23:08 <harry> RRSAgent, generate minutes
16:23:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/17-socialig-minutes.html harry
16:23:36 <Zakim> -??P24
16:24:02 <Zakim> -elf-pavlik
16:24:03 <Zakim> T&S_SOCIG()12:00PM has ended
16:24:03 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.541.848.aaaa, +1.314.705.aabb, elf-pavlik, AdamB, hhalpin, Lloyd_Fassett_, Arnaud
16:24:38 <harry> trackbot, end meeting
16:24:38 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
16:24:43 <harry> RRSAgent, generate minutes
16:24:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/17-socialig-minutes.html harry
16:27:11 <harry> http://www.w3.org/2014/09/17-socialig-minutes.html
16:27:13 <harry> is the right link
16:28:07 <elf-pavlik> harry, can you make it public?
16:29:29 <harry> done
16:30:24 <elf-pavlik> thx!
17:22:32 <Arnaud> rssagent, make log public
17:22:42 <Arnaud> rrsagent, make log public
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