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14:08:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 411
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14:08:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2666
14:08:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM scheduled to start in 52 minutes
14:08:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Annotation Working Group Teleconference
14:08:04 <trackbot> Date: 17 September 2014
14:08:17 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
14:12:31 <ivan> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Sep/0004.html
14:12:45 <ivan> Chairs: Frederick, Rob
14:30:19 <dinesh> dinesh has joined #annotation
14:30:32 <fjh> s/Frederick,Rob/Frederick_Hirsch, Rob_Sanderson/
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14:41:10 <dinesh> ivan: the zakim bridge will be up only at 5pm i guess. i tried to do a skype out now but it says that its restricted at this time.
14:41:28 <ivan> yes, it should start at 5pm
14:41:34 <ivan> (europe time, that is)
14:41:49 <dinesh> tnx
14:42:02 <azaroth> azaroth has joined #annotation
14:42:23 <azaroth> Morning all! :)
14:45:28 <bigbluehat___> bigbluehat___ has joined #annotation
14:46:50 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has now started
14:46:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:46:58 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:46:59 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:47:12 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
14:47:19 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:47:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh
14:47:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see bigbluehat___, azaroth, wbailer, dinesh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tantek, ivan, MarkS, Mitar, fjh, KevinMarks, zz_nickstenn, shepazu, trackbot, renoirb_AFK
14:47:57 <JakeHart> JakeHart has joined #annotation
14:48:09 <Zakim> -fjh
14:48:10 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has ended
14:48:10 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh
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14:54:33 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has now started
14:54:39 <Zakim> +azaroth
14:54:40 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:54:45 <dwhly> greetings!
14:54:47 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is m
14:54:47 <Zakim> +m; got it
14:54:51 <fjh> zakim, m is me
14:54:51 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
14:55:23 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-aix
14:55:23 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
14:55:24 <Zakim> +Ivan
14:55:30 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
14:55:33 <matt> matt has joined #annotation
14:56:15 <Zakim> + +1.650.274.aaaa
14:57:14 <Luc> Luc has joined #annotation
14:57:19 <shepazu> Zakim, aaaa is dwhly
14:57:19 <Zakim> +dwhly; got it
14:57:42 <Zakim> + +1.717.635.aabb
14:58:06 <Zakim> +??P12
14:58:19 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Kyrce
14:58:19 <Zakim> +Kyrce; got it
14:58:25 <Zakim> + +1.845.665.aacc
14:58:32 <shepazu> Zakim, ??P12 is Luc
14:58:32 <Zakim> +Luc; got it
14:58:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:59:04 <fjh> zakim, aabb is matt
14:59:04 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
14:59:11 <Kyrce> 845.665 is me
14:59:12 <Zakim> + +1.917.207.aadd
14:59:18 <dauwhe> Zakim, aadd is me
14:59:19 <Zakim> +dauwhe; got it
14:59:34 <stain> stain has joined #annotation
14:59:37 <matt> 717 is Matt. :-)
14:59:39 <Zakim> + +1.202.707.aaee
14:59:49 <TimCole> TimCole has joined #annotation
14:59:51 <Zakim> + +1.864.787.aaff
14:59:56 <shepazu> Zakim, Kyrce is matt
14:59:56 <Zakim> +matt; got it
15:00:03 <azaroth> zakim, who is here?
15:00:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, azaroth, Ivan, Doug_Schepers, dwhly, matt, Luc, +1.845.665.aacc, [IPcaller], dauwhe, +1.202.707.aaee, +1.864.787.aaff
15:00:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see TimCole, stain, Luc, matt, dwhly, dauwhe, Kyrce, JakeHart, bigbluehat, azaroth, wbailer, dinesh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tantek, ivan, MarkS, Mitar, fjh, KevinMarks,
15:00:06 <Zakim> ... zz_nickstenn, shepazu, trackbot, renoirb_AFK
15:00:13 <shepazu> zakim, aacc is Kyrce
15:00:13 <Zakim> +Kyrce; got it
15:00:36 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:00:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, azaroth, Ivan, Doug_Schepers, dwhly, matt, Luc, Kyrce, [IPcaller], dauwhe, +1.202.707.aaee, +1.864.787.aaff
15:00:36 <bigbluehat> 864.787 is me
15:00:38 <aron_> aron_ has joined #annotation
15:00:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see TimCole, stain, Luc, matt, dwhly, dauwhe, Kyrce, JakeHart, bigbluehat, azaroth, wbailer, dinesh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tantek, ivan, MarkS, Mitar, fjh, KevinMarks,
15:00:38 <Zakim> ... zz_nickstenn, shepazu, trackbot, renoirb_AFK
15:00:39 <fjh> zakim, where is 202?
15:00:40 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.202 is District of Columbia
15:00:43 <stain> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:00:43 <Zakim> +stain; got it
15:00:48 <fjh> zakim, where is 864?
15:00:48 <Zakim> North American dialing code 1.864 is South Carolina
15:01:09 <bigbluehat> aaff is me
15:01:19 <bigbluehat> fab! :) thanks
15:01:22 <bigbluehat> oh right
15:01:28 <bigbluehat> zakim, aaff is me
15:01:28 <Zakim> +bigbluehat; got it
15:01:30 <bigbluehat> boom!
15:01:33 <stain> just to check - it didn't say +44-78947... something before?
15:02:04 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:02:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, azaroth, Ivan, Doug_Schepers, dwhly, matt, Luc, Kyrce, stain, dauwhe, +1.202.707.aaee, bigbluehat
15:02:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see aron_, TimCole, stain, Luc, matt, dwhly, dauwhe, Kyrce, JakeHart, bigbluehat, azaroth, wbailer, dinesh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tantek, ivan, MarkS, Mitar, fjh, KevinMarks,
15:02:06 <Zakim> ... zz_nickstenn, shepazu, trackbot, renoirb_AFK
15:02:37 <stain> Love the big turnup :)
15:02:38 <rayd> rayd has joined #annotation
15:02:49 <azaroth> stain: I guess zakim has seen you before :)
15:03:01 <azaroth> zakim, aaee is rayd
15:03:01 <Zakim> +rayd; got it
15:03:04 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:03:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see fjh, azaroth, Ivan, Doug_Schepers, dwhly, matt, Luc, Kyrce, stain, dauwhe, rayd, bigbluehat
15:03:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see rayd, aron_, TimCole, stain, Luc, matt, dwhly, dauwhe, Kyrce, JakeHart, bigbluehat, azaroth, wbailer, dinesh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tantek, ivan, MarkS, Mitar, fjh,
15:03:07 <Zakim> ... KevinMarks, zz_nickstenn, shepazu, trackbot, renoirb_AFK
15:03:11 <bjdmeest> bjdmeest has joined #annotation
15:03:11 <azaroth> scribenick: azaroth
15:03:20 <Bill_Kasdorf> Bill_Kasdorf has joined #annotation
15:03:25 <paoloC> paoloC has joined #annotation
15:03:40 <stain> stain: Stian Soiland-Reyes
15:03:45 <JakeHart> Trying to join. Why won't accept the conference code?
15:03:47 <stain> zakim should remember.. but he always forgets
15:03:47 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
15:03:55 <azaroth> scribe: Rob Sanderson
15:03:58 <paoloC> I cannot join the call, but code does not get recognized
15:03:59 <dwhly> Present+ Dan_Whaley
15:04:01 <ivan> Present+ Ivan_Herman
15:04:04 <dauwhe> Present+ Dave_Cramer
15:04:06 <rayd> rayd Ray Denenberg
15:04:13 <Luc> Present+ Luc_Moreau
15:04:16 <bigbluehat> Present+ Benjamin_Young
15:04:17 <azaroth> Present+ Rob Sanderson
15:04:18 <dinesh> same here. code not recognized to join conf call
15:04:24 <fjh> Present_ Ray_Denenberg
15:04:27 <aron_> Hey all, looks like the call is full
15:04:32 <fjh> Present+ Ray_Denenberg
15:04:37 <Bill_Kasdorf> Getting message that the conference is full and no more parties can be added at this time
15:04:44 <fjh> s/Present_ Ray_Denenberg//
15:04:44 <stain> Present+ Stian_Soiland-Reyes
15:04:46 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben De Meester
15:04:50 <Kyrce> Present+ Kyrce_Swenson
15:05:09 <dwhly> looks like inbound calls are limited to 12
15:05:11 <dwhly> atm
15:05:12 <azaroth> Ooof :S
15:05:34 <matt> Present+ Matt_Haas
15:05:51 <azaroth> We could get a temporary room for more?
15:06:16 <Zakim> -rayd
15:06:17 <Zakim> -dwhly
15:06:18 <Zakim> -stain
15:06:21 <Zakim> -azaroth
15:06:22 <Zakim> -fjh
15:06:22 <Zakim> -Doug_Schepers
15:06:23 <Zakim> -Kyrce
15:06:23 <Zakim> -dauwhe
15:06:24 <dwhly> They're going to increase the call #
15:06:24 <Zakim> -Luc
15:06:24 <Zakim> -matt
15:06:26 <Zakim> -bigbluehat
15:06:26 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:06:27 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has ended
15:06:27 <Zakim> Attendees were azaroth, fjh, Ivan, Doug_Schepers, +1.650.274.aaaa, dwhly, +1.717.635.aabb, +1.845.665.aacc, Luc, +1.917.207.aadd, dauwhe, +1.202.707.aaee, +1.864.787.aaff, matt,
15:06:27 <Zakim> ... Kyrce, stain, bigbluehat, rayd
15:06:30 <shepazu> Zakim, room for 20?
15:06:32 <Zakim> sorry, shepazu; could not schedule an adhoc conference; passcode overlap; if you do not have a fixed code you may try again
15:06:34 <dwhly> And announce when everyone can call back in
15:06:37 <Bill_Kasdorf> The unintended consequence of having such a popular topic. . . . ;-)
15:06:37 <azaroth> All -- we're upping the limit, no idea why it was set to only 12 :(
15:06:52 <dwhly> +1 ivan
15:06:57 <dwhly> lol
15:07:01 <azaroth> +1 :)
15:07:02 <jyoung4> jyoung4 has joined #annotation
15:07:02 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has now started
15:07:05 <matt> Agreed… a good problem to have.
15:07:09 <Zakim> + +1.617.768.aaaa
15:07:14 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-aix
15:07:15 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:07:15 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:07:31 <paoloC> Present+ Paolo_Ciccarese
15:07:40 <dwhly> heya paoloC
15:07:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:07:50 <shepazu> ok, everyone new code: 26633
15:07:58 <paoloC> hello dwhly :)
15:08:01 <dinesh> Present+ TBDinesh
15:08:05 <Zakim> -Ivan
15:08:12 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
15:08:12 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
15:08:26 <dinesh> yes, i think i am in too.
15:08:51 <stain> zakim is not logging the new callers
15:08:52 <Zakim> -fjh
15:08:53 <Jacob> Jacob has joined #annotation
15:08:53 <Zakim> - +1.617.768.aaaa
15:08:53 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has ended
15:08:53 <azaroth> +azaroth
15:08:54 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.768.aaaa, Ivan, fjh
15:09:30 <dwhly> aron_ did u get the new #
15:09:58 <shepazu> is anyone on the phone with the 2666 code?
15:10:03 <shepazu> Zakim, who's here?
15:10:03 <Zakim> apparently DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has ended, shepazu
15:10:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jacob, jyoung4, paoloC, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, rayd, aron_, TimCole, stain, Luc, matt, dwhly, dauwhe, Kyrce, JakeHart, bigbluehat, azaroth, wbailer, dinesh, Zakim,
15:10:05 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, tantek, ivan, MarkS, Mitar, fjh, KevinMarks, zz_nickstenn, shepazu, trackbot, renoirb_AFK
15:10:05 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
15:10:08 <Zakim> apparently DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has ended, fjh
15:10:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Jacob, jyoung4, paoloC, Bill_Kasdorf, bjdmeest, rayd, aron_, TimCole, stain, Luc, matt, dwhly, dauwhe, Kyrce, JakeHart, bigbluehat, azaroth, wbailer, dinesh, Zakim,
15:10:09 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, tantek, ivan, MarkS, Mitar, fjh, KevinMarks, zz_nickstenn, shepazu, trackbot, renoirb_AFK
15:10:11 <aron_> dwhly: yup I'm in now
15:10:16 <matt> Present+ Matt_Haas
15:10:23 <bigbluehat> Present+ Benjamin_Young
15:10:28 <shepazu> is anyone on IRC who's not on the call?
15:10:32 <JakeHart> Present+ JakeHart
15:10:36 <shepazu> present+ shepazu
15:10:40 <Bill_Kasdorf> Present+ Bill_Kasdorf is on the call
15:10:46 <rayd> Present+ Ray Denenberg
15:10:47 <aron_> aron_: Present+ Aron Carroll
15:10:48 <TimCole> Present+ TimCole
15:10:48 <dinesh> present+ tbdinesh
15:10:52 <azaroth> Is everyone here in the new room?
15:10:53 <Luc> feels like a musical chair game ... zakim tells me conference is full
15:10:54 <Jacob> I'm not on the call.
15:10:55 <jyoung4> Jeff Young is present
15:11:03 <wbailer> present+ wbailer
15:11:20 <azaroth> The new conference is full?
15:11:24 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: If you join later, please use, exceptionally, zakim code 26633!
15:11:30 <Luc> yes, for me
15:12:23 <stain> does the bridge fill up no matter if you call in by phone or VOIP?
15:12:51 <bigbluehat> shepazu: 31
15:12:56 <bigbluehat> oh...discount the bots
15:13:04 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has now started
15:13:12 <Zakim> + +44.770.933.aaaa
15:13:18 <azaroth> Okay, call three...
15:13:41 <Zakim> - +44.770.933.aaaa
15:13:42 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has ended
15:13:42 <Zakim> Attendees were +44.770.933.aaaa
15:13:51 <shepazu> code 3627 (DOCS)
15:14:21 <stain> stain has changed the topic to: zakim code 3627 +1.617.761.6200
15:14:31 <Bill_Kasdorf> If we're on do we need to call back in with the 3627 code?
15:14:37 <dwhly> yep
15:15:09 <shepazu> sorry everyone! a good problem to have, I guess!
15:15:12 <stain> before someone gets the idea of daisychaining...
15:15:14 <bigbluehat> Present+ Benjamin_Young
15:15:27 <TimCole> Present+ TimCole
15:15:28 <azaroth> azaroth has joined #annotation
15:15:29 <JakeHart> Present+ JakeHart
15:15:30 <matt> Present+ Matt_Haas
15:15:39 <dwhly> shepazu: what's the w3 record for a zakim call?
15:15:39 <jyoung4> present+ JeffYoung
15:15:40 <stain> Present+ Stian_Soiland-Reyes
15:15:50 <wbailer> present+ wbailer
15:15:52 <ivan> Present+ Ivan_Herman
15:15:57 <dinesh> present+ tbdinesh
15:15:57 <rayd> Present+ Ray Denenberg
15:16:01 <Kyrce> Present+ Kyrce_Swenson
15:16:14 <dwhly> Present+ Dan_Whaley
15:16:15 <Bill_Kasdorf> Present+ Bill_Kasdorf
15:16:23 <Luc> Present+ Luc_Moreau
15:16:54 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minuytes
15:16:54 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'generate minuytes', fjh.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:16:59 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:16:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/17-annotation-minutes.html fjh
15:17:16 <paoloC> Present+ Paolo_Ciccarese
15:17:16 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has now started
15:17:24 <Zakim> + +1.617.768.aaaa
15:17:27 <Zakim> - +1.617.768.aaaa
15:17:28 <Zakim> DPUB_(ANNO)11:00AM has ended
15:17:28 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.768.aaaa
15:17:50 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
15:18:40 <dauwhe> Present+ Dave_Cramer
15:18:42 <shepazu> is anyone on IRC not able to join the call?
15:18:43 <azaroth> Present+ Rob Sanderson
15:18:54 <matt> Present+ Matt_Haas
15:19:09 <bjdmeest> Present+ Ben De Meester
15:19:17 <azaroth> scribe: azaroth
15:19:44 <tilgovi> tilgovi has joined #annotation
15:19:45 <gerben> gerben has joined #annotation
15:19:45 <azaroth> Doug: Work for W3c, based on the east coast, active on an annotaiton projection with hypothesis and w3c for specs.  Staff contact for the group
15:20:21 <JakeHart> tilgovi, gerben, there's been some changes. The new code for the call is 3627.
15:20:38 <azaroth> Ivan Herman: from w3c, in Europe, staff contact and on Digital publishing group
15:20:51 <azaroth> Frederick Hirsh: Co chair for this group
15:20:56 <shepazu> I'm Doug Schepers, shepazu on IRC
15:21:02 <fjh> s/Hirsh/Hirsch/
15:21:08 <dwhly> shepazu: we could go through irc a > z
15:21:39 <azaroth> aron:  WOrking at hypothes.is  Contributed to annotator
15:22:03 <azaroth> bigbluehat: Ben Young, for hypothesis as developer advocate
15:22:06 <shepazu> s/annotator/annotator. Based in Berlin/
15:22:36 <azaroth> Bill Kasdorf: Work for apex, scholarly publishing space, books and magazine. All have annotation has a high priority. Representing BISG with Julie
15:22:55 <azaroth> bjdmeest: Belgium Europe
15:23:16 <azaroth> Dave Cramer: Hachette, MA. Involved in CSS and DPIG, adding book like design features to OWP
15:23:36 <azaroth> dinesh?
15:23:40 <dinesh> can you hearme?
15:23:45 <dinesh> ok
15:24:01 <fjh> s/Belgium/ Ben De Meester, Belgium/
15:24:04 <azaroth> Dan Whaley: San francisco, founder of hypothes.is
15:24:33 <azaroth> dinesh: Bangalore India, looking at annotations for handling accessibility
15:25:00 <azaroth> gerben?
15:25:15 <azaroth> Jake Hartnell: Hypothes.is, happy to be here
15:25:28 <azaroth> Jeff Young: OCLC, linked data projects
15:25:39 <azaroth> I think Kevin is a ghost
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15:26:15 <azaroth> Kyrce Swanson: Pearson Education, NYC. Internal markup and edupub, annotations keeps coming up.
15:26:28 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2014Sep/0034.html
15:26:59 <azaroth> Luc Moreau: Southampton, UK. Part of SociaM social machines, provenance and annotation. Co-chair of PROV WG
15:27:11 <azaroth> MarkS?
15:27:31 <azaroth> Matt H. Pearson Education, background in IDPF and EPUB to 3
15:27:57 <ivan> s/Matt H./Matt Haas/
15:28:04 <azaroth> Paolo: Co chair of the OACG, in Boston, annotopia and domeo, plus harvard MOOC
15:28:26 <azaroth> Ray Denenberg: Library of Congress, annotation in the bibframe model for library metadata
15:28:50 <azaroth> Tim Clark: Mass General, with Paolo. Scientific communication focused on bio-medical research
15:28:54 <stain> am I next?
15:29:12 <stain> stain: Stian Soiland-Reyes working for myGrid, University of Manchester in UK. We make software and social web apps for scientists, using Linked Data and web services. My focus has been on provenance and attribution, semantically annotating research artifacts published as Research Objects, recently joined the Open PHACTS project for drug discovery using Linked Data.
15:29:19 <azaroth> Stian Soiland-Reyes: Work ... that :)
15:30:30 <azaroth> Randall Leeds: Hypothes.is  Working on the spec annotation project. Interested in indyweb.
15:30:46 <gerben> Gerben: work with Hypothes.is, interest in semantic web & artificial intelligence, currently studying machine learning in Helsinki  (sorry I did not get around to an introduction email)
15:30:52 <azaroth> Tim Cole: UIUC, veteran of OAC and OACG, working on annotation in the context of digital library projects
15:31:32 <azaroth> Bailer: UNM Research, Austria. Publishing cultural heritage, museum and audio-visual
15:31:35 <wbailer> wbailer: Werner Bailer
15:31:36 <ivan> Werner Bailer
15:31:42 <azaroth> Thanks!
15:31:44 <wbailer> s/UNM/JOANNEUM/
15:32:10 <azaroth> Jem Rayfield: Financial Times, linked data projects, work with the BBC
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15:33:10 <azaroth> Not going to go through agenda, will move on to W3C process and work mode
15:33:16 <azaroth> fjh: Not going to go through agenda, will move on to W3C process and work mode
15:33:31 <azaroth> ... Probably won't make it through everything, though would like to go through the charter
15:33:51 <azaroth> shepazu: Public working group, so anyone can participate in the public mailing list
15:33:55 <fjh> did quick review of agenda
15:34:03 <azaroth> ... if there's anything confidential, then you should say so so it isn't scribed
15:34:33 <azaroth> ... or if it should be truly confidential, eg IP problems, then you can contact Ivan and Doug to try and sort things out
15:34:43 <azaroth> ... for the most part all the technical conversation will happen on the public list
15:34:46 <fjh> i suggest you assume everything is public that you say in the group
15:35:17 <azaroth> ... we may have invited experts in the group. Public can't join telcons of f2f meetings. There may be exceptions to that too.
15:36:03 <azaroth> ... one of the reasons we want people to join is to get IP commitments.  When you join the WG you explicitly say that specifications with consensus, you're giving royalty free grant to any IP
15:36:10 <azaroth> ... it applies to everyone, not just members of the WG
15:36:25 <azaroth> ... We have a large group, will be looking at different specifications
15:36:45 <azaroth> ... We have chairs, Frederick and Rob, Staff contacts, myself and Ivan, and Editors of specifications
15:36:57 <azaroth> ... it's a high profile and critical role. Need an editor to have a specification
15:37:11 <azaroth> ... usually also the author of a specification
15:37:36 <azaroth> ... Two current decisions -- editors can edit the spec and come back to the WG for okay, rather than vice versa
15:37:56 <azaroth> ... Can be slow, so editors will edit and WG can raise issues about the changes
15:38:37 <azaroth> ... If you don't agree, there's a formal objection process, if there's no consensus. Ultimately it would go to Tim BL.
15:39:12 <dauwhe> Zakim, who is noisy?
15:39:12 <Zakim> sorry, dauwhe, I don't know what conference this is
15:39:18 <azaroth> ... They need to be technical. Not on process or other aspect of the WG.  If you have an objection to the process.
15:39:22 <azaroth> ... [music]
15:39:48 <azaroth> ... The chairs are here to make sure that the WG moves forward
15:39:59 <azaroth> ... Ivan and Doug are here to help the chairs and make sure W3C process is followed
15:40:10 <azaroth> ... There's a huge process document to help avoid conflict and build consensus
15:40:22 <azaroth> ... We'll be asking for editors for the specs
15:40:29 <azaroth> ... Scribe is another role that we all share
15:40:36 <azaroth> ... From week to week we'll have a different scribe
15:40:54 <azaroth> ... If you're comfortable scribing, or enjoy it, or otherwise, you're welcome to scribe as much as you like
15:41:26 <azaroth> ... Another role is test lead.  Test lead will be per spec, and writes tests, but main role is to make sure that every testable asssertion in the spec is known and has a test
15:41:47 <azaroth> ... testable assertion is something that a conforming implementation must support
15:41:50 <azaroth> (MUST) ?
15:42:34 <azaroth> ... Interoperability is the goal of the testing.  Need to run the tests against the user agents, including browsers, servers, tools etc. that conforms to the spec
15:42:44 <azaroth> ... if we have a test, we need two passing interoperable implementations
15:42:53 <azaroth> ... can't just have to installations of annotator, for example
15:43:08 <azaroth> ... In order for it to progress, according to process.
15:43:16 <azaroth> ... So test lead has important job of wrangling the tests
15:43:28 <azaroth> ... Typically done by a person who can be systematic in going through the spec
15:43:35 <azaroth> ... They can delegate to others
15:43:54 <azaroth> fjh: That's basically it.
15:44:17 <azaroth> shepazu: If you're interested in a particular deliverable, we have 5. Unusually different from one another
15:44:29 <azaroth> ... Most groups focus on one part of the stack, but we have client and server
15:44:42 <azaroth> ... Robust anchoring. We'll try to work with other groups
15:44:54 <azaroth> ... Hope we can work with other groups for HTTP API, such as the social web WG
15:45:12 <azaroth> ... that'll let clients post generic messages to servers
15:45:33 <azaroth> ... Shouldn't invent our own stuff, but instead use other groups' work. Then we don't need to worry about implementations
15:45:51 <azaroth> ... Stands a much better chance of being implemented, developers need to learn less, can work with existing tools
15:46:08 <azaroth> ... Will be looking for people to step up as editors.
15:46:31 <azaroth> ... Rob and Paolo are both experienced editors. Frederick too.
15:46:43 <azaroth> ... Dave is editing CSS modules
15:46:45 <stain> Stian as well know it well
15:46:55 <azaroth> ... Lots of liasons that can be done by different people
15:47:04 <azaroth> ... Luc also an editor for Provenance
15:47:14 <azaroth> Ivan: A number of people around who know how this works
15:47:31 <azaroth> shepazu: In the wiki we should put together a list of people who have done these roles before
15:47:59 <azaroth> ... General procedure for work. Telcos aren't binding, things can be revisited but do need to move forwards
15:48:11 <azaroth> ... telcos every week more or less and we'll have periodic face to face meetings
15:48:25 <azaroth> ... first f2f is at TPAC, W3C's big meeting in late october
15:48:28 <azaroth> ... Please register
15:48:38 <azaroth> ... If you're able to come, that would be awesome
15:49:03 <azaroth> ... We try to work towards consensus, politeness is crucial, in all venues
15:49:17 <azaroth> ... A friendly organization :)
15:49:42 <azaroth> ... If something happens, then we'll move to correct it
15:49:58 <azaroth> ... Technical arguments are great
15:50:03 <dwhly> shepazu: we'll deal w/ you separately.
15:50:06 <azaroth> ... But have respect
15:50:35 <azaroth> ... We'll take people aside and go through expectations for participation
15:50:40 <matt> Is this the F2F meeting? http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/
15:51:02 <azaroth> ... We are trying to get an annotation system working on W3.org ; hope that the group will experiment with using it for feedback
15:51:12 <dwhly> matt: yes, on tuesday the 28th
15:51:23 <rayd> What time?
15:51:23 <fjh>  matt, yes, see Tuesday Web Annotations WG entry
15:51:26 <azaroth> ... Already have one spec that's a good input -- the OACG data model
15:51:46 <azaroth> ... Any questions
15:51:53 <azaroth> fjh: We'll use 2014 process
15:51:57 <azaroth> ... which we don't need to belabour
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15:52:09 <azaroth> shepazu: This is a matter of the workflow of the documents
15:52:12 <dwhly> rayd matt: it's all day on the 28th
15:52:30 <azaroth> ... First Public Working Draft, then subsequent refine
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15:52:32 <dwhly> room opens at 08:00
15:52:42 <azaroth> ... then last call
15:52:59 <azaroth> ... We can explain more as we go on
15:53:13 <azaroth> fjh: Not going to get through the agenda, so thanks Doug for covering all that
15:53:22 <rayd> FTF all day?
15:53:30 <azaroth> ... Would like to schedule next calls
15:53:43 <azaroth> ... I suggest that we use the same time slot that we have now until TPAC
15:53:46 <azaroth> ... on a weekly basis
15:54:07 <azaroth> ... We'll make sure we have a better brdige, does that make sense
15:54:07 <azaroth> +1
15:54:19 <paoloC> +1
15:54:20 <jyoung4> +1
15:54:21 <azaroth> shepazu: Is this time okay for people?
15:54:22 <stain> +1
15:54:23 <rayd> +1
15:54:23 <matt> +1
15:54:23 <Kyrce> +1
15:54:24 <ivan> +1
15:54:25 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
15:54:25 <fjh> +1 to this slot
15:54:26 <azaroth> +1
15:54:27 <bjdmeest> +1
15:54:27 <Jacob> +1
15:54:28 <aron_> +1
15:54:30 <TimCole> +1
15:54:31 <tilgovi> +1
15:54:31 <Luc> +1
15:54:31 <dinesh> +1
15:54:34 <dwhly> +1
15:54:35 <shepazu> +1
15:54:37 <JakeHart> +1
15:54:38 <azaroth> ... bad give -1, if you don't care give 0
15:55:01 <azaroth> fjh: Suggest we don't meet on Oct 22nd, won't be there
15:55:10 <azaroth> ... can meet without me if that works
15:55:10 <bigbluehat> +1
15:55:32 <fjh> lets meet weekly at this time, including next week, 1 Oct, 8, 15 oct
15:55:40 <fjh> also can meet 15,22 but I cannot attend
15:55:54 <azaroth> okay for 15th
15:56:08 <azaroth> ivan: Out next week
15:56:18 <azaroth> ... fine to go through charter with out team contact
15:56:23 <azaroth> fjh: Need to go through the charter
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15:56:35 <azaroth> ... if there's questions or concerns with the charter we can go through that then
15:57:26 <azaroth> fjh: Tuesday at TPAC, link in the chat
15:57:41 <dwhly> 1
15:57:42 <TimCole> +1
15:57:42 <azaroth> shepazu: Straw poll of who's coming to the meeting? +1s?
15:57:43 <Luc> -1
15:57:43 <stain> -1
15:57:43 <bigbluehat> +1
15:57:44 <jyoung4> -1
15:57:45 <bjdmeest> +1
15:57:45 <ivan> 0
15:57:45 <azaroth> +1
15:57:45 <fjh> yes to F2F _+1
15:57:46 <JakeHart> +1
15:57:47 <Bill_Kasdorf> -1
15:57:47 <paoloC> 0
15:57:48 <aron_> +1
15:57:55 <wbailer> -1
15:57:59 <Jacob> -1
15:58:00 <rayd> +1 except during AC
15:58:01 <matt> 0
15:58:06 <Kyrce> 0
15:58:20 <dwhly> zz_nickstenn +1 (I think)
15:58:29 <azaroth> shepazu: If it turns out there's more people we have observer seats for space
15:58:29 <rayd> is it all day?
15:58:30 <shepazu> +1
15:58:36 <shepazu> rayd, yes
15:58:48 <ivan> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2014/registrants#WebAnn
15:58:50 <azaroth> ivan: looking at list of people who have registered,
15:59:08 <rayd> I'm coming but haven't registered yet
15:59:14 <azaroth> ... a number of people have said they might, hotel will be full, so please take care of it this week
15:59:27 <azaroth> ... last chance is October 8th or so
15:59:54 <azaroth> fjh: Suggest we defer the rest of the agenda until next week
16:00:12 <azaroth> ivan: one more thing, certain things on the agenda like tools
16:00:24 <azaroth> ... make a list of the questions and hopefully decide by email
16:00:30 <azaroth> ... don't need to wait for calls to make decisions
16:00:45 <azaroth> ... lets try and get it done
16:00:51 <azaroth> fjh: The more we get done on the list the better
16:00:52 <azaroth> +1
16:00:54 <azaroth> Nothing from me
16:01:07 <Luc> bye
16:01:15 <azaroth> fjh: Anything pressing? No, really appreciate it
16:01:31 <azaroth> ... happy to see you all, and talk again next week at this time on the original call number
16:01:51 <azaroth> shepazu: Would be good to introduce yourself on the list so everyone knows who everyone is
16:01:57 <azaroth> fjh: Thanks to Rob for scribing
16:01:59 <azaroth> :)
16:02:04 <dwhly> thanks guys!  well done.
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16:02:21 <azaroth> Thanks all from me!
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16:02:43 <azaroth> I'll be more noisy when not scribing :D
16:03:06 <JakeHart> I can record.
16:03:13 <JakeHart> : )
16:03:13 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:03:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/17-annotation-minutes.html ivan
16:03:46 <JakeHart> Just let me know when you want me to record.
16:04:02 <azaroth> Thanks Jake
16:04:24 <Kyrce> Thanks all!
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