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16:52:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
16:52:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(ARIA)1:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
16:52:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
16:52:46 <trackbot> Date: 15 September 2014
16:53:10 <MichaelC> regrets: Rich_Schwerdtfeger, James_Craig, Stefan_Schnabel
16:53:28 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Sep/0065.html
16:53:28 <MichaelC> chair: Michael_Cooper
16:53:39 <MichaelC> meeting: WAI-PF ARIA Caucus
16:53:46 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
17:01:18 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(ARIA)1:00PM has now started
17:01:25 <Zakim> +??P2
17:01:49 <Zakim> +??P3
17:01:54 <janina> zakim, ??P3 is me
17:01:54 <Zakim> +janina; got it
17:02:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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17:02:18 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
17:02:22 <Zakim> + +1.703.978.aaaa
17:02:25 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:25 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:02:32 <Zakim> + +1.603.882.aabb
17:02:33 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:34 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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17:02:51 <joanie> Zakim, aabb is Joanmarie_Diggs
17:02:51 <Zakim> +Joanmarie_Diggs; got it
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17:03:08 <joanie> Zakim, I am Joanmarie_Diggs
17:03:08 <Zakim> ok, joanie, I now associate you with Joanmarie_Diggs
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17:03:25 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Fred_Hesch
17:03:25 <Zakim> +Fred_Hesch; got it
17:03:41 <Zakim> +Jon_Gunderson
17:05:27 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
17:05:43 <Zakim> + +1.541.678.aacc
17:05:56 <MichaelC> zakim, aacc is Matt_King
17:05:56 <Zakim> +Matt_King; got it
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17:08:30 <LJWatson> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:08:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Cooper, janina, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Fred_Hesch, Joanmarie_Diggs, Jon_Gunderson, Cynthia_Shelly, Matt_King, [IPcaller]
17:09:11 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Léonie_Watson
17:09:11 <Zakim> +Léonie_Watson; got it
17:09:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:09:56 <MichaelC> zakim, Fred is Fred_Esch
17:09:56 <Zakim> +Fred_Esch; got it
17:11:01 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Lisa_Seeman
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17:14:36 <mattking> scribe: matt_king
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17:15:13 <MichaelC> scribeNick: mattking
17:15:36 <MichaelC> zakim, aadd is Bryan_Garaventa
17:15:36 <Zakim> +Bryan_Garaventa; got it
17:15:52 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
17:15:52 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
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17:16:27 <Zakim> ok, bgaraventa1979, I now associate you with Bryan_Garaventa
17:16:30 <MichaelC> topic: Status on wiki for tracking user agent defects on ARIA 1.1 features
17:16:53 <mattking> TOPIC: Status using wiki for tracking aria 1.1 features
17:17:34 <mattking> No news on this topic.
17:17:45 <mattking> Will be discussed tues night at f2f
17:18:36 <mattking> CS: please see if we can get a room with a whiteboard.
17:18:51 <MichaelC> topic: Issue 631 Property to provide keyboard help when element has focus
17:18:58 <MichaelC> issue-631?
17:18:58 <trackbot> issue-631 -- Property to provide keyboard help when element has focus -- open
17:18:58 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/631
17:19:24 <MichaelC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2012JanMar/0010.html
17:19:30 <MichaelC> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2012JanMar/0011.html
17:20:33 <mattking> MC: Comment on 1.0; response is that we would consider in 1.1.
17:21:15 <mattking> MC: Help for SR users that explains how to operate when uncommon key commands are required.
17:21:31 <mattking> MC: would prefer a dedicated attribute for this purpose.
17:22:02 <mattking> LW: Would this be an author provided attribute?
17:22:54 <mattking> MC: Yes. The comment says this could be at times long so comment recommended that a reference to a description.
17:22:54 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:23:03 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
17:23:44 <mattking> q+
17:23:58 <LJWatson> Q+
17:24:05 <mattking> LS: You can not use aria-label for this purpose.
17:24:09 <janina> q+
17:24:09 <bgaraventa1979> +q
17:24:14 <joanie> q+
17:24:19 <Lisa_Seeman> ack lisa
17:24:20 <MichaelC> ack li
17:24:20 <jongund> q+
17:25:47 <MichaelC> ack ma
17:26:48 <MichaelC> q+ to mention context sensitive help
17:27:01 <MichaelC> ack l
17:28:11 <MichaelC> mk: don´t want to encourage bad design by providing a way to explain around it. Authors should design well from the start, and use aria-describedby or something in the few situations they truly have to explain it. IndieUI is the long term solution.
17:28:23 <mattking> LW: There is a problem to solve b/c it is difficult for SR users to know what is scripted.
17:28:37 <mattking> LW: but there would be no easy to visually represent the attribute.
17:29:08 <MichaelC> ack jan
17:29:11 <LJWatson> ack me
17:29:28 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:29:53 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
17:29:57 <mattking> JS: Indie UI needs to be considered and so we should probably postpone to 2.0 b/c Ineie UI is not ready yet.
17:30:00 <MichaelC> ack brya
17:30:02 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:30:02 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:30:12 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:30:12 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:30:14 <mattking> JS: we do not want to have to re-do it in 2.0.
17:31:27 <mattking> BG: I support it. Often there are too many key commands on a single widget, e.g., a tree that supports both drag/drop and context menus
17:31:36 <MichaelC> q+ to ask about the Access Module approach
17:33:32 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
17:33:38 <mattking> BG: You can add aria-drop but there is not a standard command for that.
17:35:37 <MichaelC> q+ cynthia
17:35:43 <MichaelC> ack jo
17:35:49 <MichaelC> ack Joan
17:35:56 <mattking> MK: I do not understand why ctrl+v or command+v can not be scripted for drop.
17:36:09 <MichaelC> q+ matt to explore use cases
17:36:16 <LJWatson> Q+
17:36:42 <mattking> Joanie: I agree there is a problem to solve, but I too think that Indie UI is the path. Strings alone do not provide a robust answer.
17:37:00 <mattking> Joanie: action interfaces also help with globalization
17:37:01 <MichaelC> ack me
17:37:01 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to mention context sensitive help and to ask about the Access Module approach
17:37:47 <mattking> BG: Does Indie UI solution provide the ability to provide context-specific interaction information?
17:38:14 <mattking> CS: The patterns proposed for 2.0 do exactly what Brian described.
17:39:01 <mattking> LW: Can we take the recommended kb actins in APG  it make a more visible reference and perhaps also provide a touch guide as well.
17:39:05 <LJWatson> ack me
17:39:45 <mattking> MC: there is a separate proposal for a form control specific help and they may be a better attribute to overload if we implement it.
17:40:34 <MichaelC> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-access/
17:40:52 <janina> q+ to ask whether Brian is solving a problem from a specific toolkit?
17:40:58 <MichaelC> ack lisa
17:41:43 <mattking> LS: When aria-controledby is used,the UA should be able to provide help on how to use it.
17:42:17 <MichaelC> ack cy
17:42:21 <jongund> q+
17:42:25 <mattking> LW: Can we explore how to mkae the relationship information more useful in the UAs?
17:43:06 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
17:43:28 <mattking> CS: I think that some kind of aria-help or something like that could be valuable. For example, in Windows, thre is a separate key help field
17:43:42 <mattking> CS: In IE, this is not visually rendered at this time.
17:44:11 <mattking> CS: The purpose for pattern is self-describing controls.
17:44:37 <mattking> CS: the bigger issue really should be a 2.0 time frame solution so we can exploit patterns.
17:44:53 <mattking> CS: The web apps group could benefit from the xhtml module.
17:45:12 <MichaelC> ack jan
17:45:12 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask whether Brian is solving a problem from a specific toolkit?
17:45:25 <clown> q+
17:45:40 <mattking> JS: Brian, are you trying to solve a problem that come from a particular web dev toolkit.
17:45:57 <mattking> BG: Yes
17:46:10 <mattking> JS: Is this a broken toolkit or a general problem?
17:46:33 <mattking> BG: I think there are general problems.
17:46:53 <mattking> BG: I see aria-haspopu used everywhere but there is not a consistent way for activating them.
17:48:21 <Lisa_Seeman> i need to go...
17:48:24 <mattking> MK: there should not be help required to open a standard context menu
17:48:30 <Zakim> -Lisa_Seeman
17:50:24 <Zakim> -janina
17:51:18 <mattking> BG: What about the example of drag/drop that Joseph provided  where ctrl left/right is used. How would this be communicated in the wild.
17:51:25 <mattking> JS: the help is right on the page.
17:51:31 <MichaelC> ack jon
17:51:35 <mattking> BG: designers resist putting on on the page.
17:51:57 <mattking> JG: This would likely be a redudntat way of mapping to eh a11y api
17:52:16 <mattking> JG: if it just goes to aria-describedby on some platforms, then it doesn't really help\
17:52:25 <MichaelC> ack lis
17:52:36 <Zakim> +??P3
17:52:41 <janina> zakim, ??P3 is me
17:52:41 <Zakim> +janina; got it
17:52:47 <MichaelC> ack jos
17:53:20 <mattking> JS: We adivse people to put a help button in their app that describes keyboard help.
17:53:38 <mattking> JS: you do not need special aria properties for that.
17:53:43 <MichaelC> ack cy
17:54:09 <mattking> CS: A mechanism for mapping markup to platoform kb mappings is definitely needed.
17:54:24 <mattking> CS: The answer is needed but it may not be an aira thing.
17:55:00 <mattking> CS: There are api fields for keybaord help on windows and having an aria mapping for that would be nice.
17:55:25 <MichaelC> q- matt
17:56:33 <mattking> MC: there is no consensus that this is apppropriate for aria 1.1 or even aria.
17:57:09 <mattking> MC: do we want to do thin in the aria 1.1 time frame?
17:59:40 <Zakim> -Fred_Esch
17:59:48 <mattking> RESOLUTION: A specific solution for keyboard guidance  is not in scope for ARIA 1.1.
18:01:11 <mattking> MC: If there were a solution for help text, would it be a adequate solution to the keyboard guidance problem?
18:02:00 <clown> q+
18:02:25 <clown> issue-406?
18:02:25 <trackbot> issue-406 -- Proposal for new aria-hint property. (Previously proposed as @aria-help) -- open
18:02:25 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/406
18:03:13 <mattking> CS: On windows this owuld be nice b/c it would be parallel to how native apps work.
18:03:24 <clown> zakim, ack me
18:03:24 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
18:03:28 <mattking> JS: issue 406 is on the 1.1 agenda
18:04:32 <mattking> RESOLUTION: Resolving issue 631 could be explored as part of resolving issue 406.
18:05:30 <mattking> CS: Do we want this issue solved post aria 1.1?
18:05:42 <MichaelC> s/CS/MC/
18:06:22 <clown> s/owuld/would/
18:06:38 <mattking> Consensus that a future solution is needed.
18:07:06 <mattking> MC: propose  we move the issue to 2.0
18:07:18 <MichaelC> issue-406: consider whether this feature can also address the use case raised by issue-631
18:07:19 <trackbot> Notes added to issue-406 Proposal for new aria-hint property. (Previously proposed as @aria-help).
18:07:51 <mattking> RESOLUTION: Reassign issue 631 to ARIA 2.0 and add a note to issue 406 TO LOOK FOR INTERUM SOLUTIONS.
18:08:15 <MichaelC> issue-631: Will explore again in ARIA 2.0, including question of whether to solve in ARIA or another technology
18:08:15 <trackbot> Notes added to issue-631 Property to provide keyboard help when element has focus.
18:08:33 <clown> s/INTERUM/INTERIM/
18:09:47 <mattking> TOPIC: review open action items
18:10:08 <clown> action-1322?
18:10:08 <trackbot> action-1322 -- Jon Gunderson to Make some examples for aria-hidden="false" (including a hidden live region) -- due 2013-12-23 -- OPEN
18:10:08 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1322
18:10:19 <mattking> action-1322?
18:10:19 <trackbot> action-1322 -- Jon Gunderson to Make some examples for aria-hidden="false" (including a hidden live region) -- due 2013-12-23 -- OPEN
18:10:19 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1322
18:10:35 <mattking> JG: can I have 2 more weeks?
18:10:36 <MichaelC> action-1322 due 2 weeks
18:10:36 <trackbot> Set action-1322 Make some examples for aria-hidden="false" (including a hidden live region) due date to 2014-09-29.
18:10:42 <mattking> MC: yes, pls post to list.
18:10:55 <mattking> action-1389?
18:10:55 <trackbot> action-1389 -- Cynthia Shelly to Gather more information about secondary information (desc, tooltip, etc) -- due 2014-03-03 -- OPEN
18:10:55 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1389
18:10:58 <clown> action-1389?
18:10:58 <trackbot> action-1389 -- Cynthia Shelly to Gather more information about secondary information (desc, tooltip, etc) -- due 2014-03-03 -- OPEN
18:10:58 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1389
18:11:21 <MichaelC> action-1389 due 3 weeks
18:11:21 <trackbot> Set action-1389 Gather more information about secondary information (desc, tooltip, etc) due date to 2014-10-06.
18:11:24 <mattking> CS: not yet done. Need 3 more weeks..
18:11:33 <mattking> actin-1397?
18:11:34 <clown> action-1397?
18:11:34 <trackbot> action-1397 -- Jon Gunderson to Create proposal to fill out aria table semantics (tfoot, rowspan, colspan, thead, caption, etc.) -- due 2014-03-10 -- OPEN
18:11:34 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1397
18:11:57 <mattking> JG: this should be closed.
18:12:06 <MichaelC> close action-1397
18:12:06 <trackbot> Closed action-1397.
18:12:16 <mattking> action-1423?
18:12:16 <trackbot> action-1423 -- Cynthia Shelly to Ask developers about group, none, and generic roles and whether it would be helpful for implementatation of e.g., narrator -- due 2014-05-16 -- OPEN
18:12:16 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1423
18:12:33 <MichaelC> action-1423 due 1 week
18:12:33 <trackbot> Set action-1423 Ask developers about group, none, and generic roles and whether it would be helpful for implementatation of e.g., narrator due date to 2014-09-22.
18:12:44 <mattking> CS: I have the information but need to compile; need 1 more week.
18:12:57 <MichaelC> action-1438 due 15 october
18:12:57 <trackbot> Set action-1438 Set up auto publish to GH Pages for editors' drafts https://pages.github.com due date to 2014-10-15.
18:13:09 <mattking> action-1442?
18:13:09 <trackbot> action-1442 -- Léonie Watson to Create spec. text for aria-currentfor="IDREF" and aria-current="true/false", related to issue-587 -- due 2014-05-26 -- OPEN
18:13:09 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1442
18:14:09 <mattking> LW: I will pick out the feedback from the thread and start a clean thread.
18:14:47 <mattking> MC: Discussion needs to be added a a call agenda.
18:15:09 <MichaelC> action-1461 due 1 week
18:15:09 <trackbot> Set action-1461 Ask an html-aapi editor to bring question of @inert to html a11y tf due date to 2014-09-22.
18:15:11 <mattking> action-1461?
18:15:11 <trackbot> action-1461 -- Michael Cooper to Ask an html-aapi editor to bring question of @inert to html a11y tf -- due 2014-09-22 -- OPEN
18:15:11 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1461
18:15:20 <mattking> action-1462?
18:15:20 <trackbot> action-1462 -- Cynthia Shelly to Discuss computed role with ie team -- due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN
18:15:20 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1462
18:15:30 <MichaelC> action-1462 due 1 week
18:15:30 <trackbot> Set action-1462 Discuss computed role with ie team due date to 2014-09-22.
18:15:31 <mattking> CS: need 1 more week.
18:15:41 <mattking> action-1463?
18:15:41 <trackbot> action-1463 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Keep issue-427 on radar for aapi meetings -- due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN
18:15:41 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1463
18:15:55 <MichaelC> action-1463 due 1 week
18:15:55 <trackbot> Set action-1463 Keep issue-427 on radar for aapi meetings due date to 2014-09-22.
18:15:56 <mattking> JS: dependent on Cynthia.
18:16:08 <mattking> MC: Moving due date out
18:16:10 <MichaelC> action-1464 due 1 week
18:16:10 <trackbot> Set action-1464 Discuss implications of Element.computedRole() with Blink team due date to 2014-09-22.
18:16:24 <mattking> action-1471?
18:16:24 <trackbot> action-1471 -- Jon Gunderson to Start list of requirements for aria 1.1 -- due 2014-07-07 -- OPEN
18:16:24 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1471
18:17:03 <MichaelC> action-1471 due 3 weeks
18:17:03 <trackbot> Set action-1471 Start list of requirements for aria 1.1 due date to 2014-10-06.
18:17:04 <mattking> JG: Need 3 weeks.
18:17:11 <mattking> MC: want before f2f.
18:17:16 <mattking> action-1473
18:17:16 <trackbot> action-1473 -- Cynthia Shelly to Prepare recommendation on automation of tracking of bugs filed with various implementers -- due 2014-07-07 -- OPEN
18:17:16 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1473
18:17:50 <MichaelC> action-1473 due 30 oct
18:17:50 <trackbot> Set action-1473 Prepare recommendation on automation of tracking of bugs filed with various implementers due date to 2014-10-30.
18:18:05 <mattking> action-1474?
18:18:05 <trackbot> action-1474 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Work with joseph s. and david b. to rewrite text alternative computation for both the aria spec. and the core accessibility api mappings specification. -- due 2014-09-04 -- OPEN
18:18:05 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1474
18:18:37 <MichaelC> action-1474 due 30 oct
18:18:37 <trackbot> Set action-1474 Work with joseph s. and david b. to rewrite text alternative computation for both the aria spec. and the core accessibility api mappings specification. due date to 2014-10-30.
18:18:40 <mattking> Joseph: should te a tpac doc
18:19:14 <clown> action-1485?
18:19:14 <trackbot> action-1485 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Raise issue-397 with moz/nvda devs regarding aria-setsize="999+" format -- due 2014-08-18 -- OPEN
18:19:14 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1485
18:19:17 <mattking> action-1485?
18:19:17 <trackbot> action-1485 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Raise issue-397 with moz/nvda devs regarding aria-setsize="999+" format -- due 2014-08-18 -- OPEN
18:19:17 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1485
18:19:20 <clown> action-1486?
18:19:20 <trackbot> action-1486 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Inspect webkit backwards-compatibility regarding aria-setsize="999+" format for issue-397 -- due 2014-07-28 -- OPEN
18:19:20 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1486
18:19:37 <clown> issue-397?
18:19:37 <trackbot> issue-397 -- Need a way to specify an indeterminate set size -- open
18:19:37 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/397
18:19:40 <MichaelC> action-1485 due 2 weeks
18:19:40 <trackbot> Set action-1485 Raise issue-397 with moz/nvda devs regarding aria-setsize="999+" format due date to 2014-09-29.
18:19:45 <MichaelC> action-1486 due 2 weeks
18:19:45 <trackbot> Set action-1486 Inspect webkit backwards-compatibility regarding aria-setsize="999+" format for issue-397 due date to 2014-09-29.
18:19:45 <mattking> Joanie: need 3 weeks.
18:20:04 <MichaelC> action-1487 due 1 weeks
18:20:04 <trackbot> Set action-1487 Raise issue-397 with ie/trident devs regarding aria-setsize="999+" format (mainly, would the format change break backwards-compalibility with ie source?) due date to 2014-09-22.
18:20:14 <mattking> action-1489?
18:20:14 <trackbot> action-1489 -- Michael Cooper to Propose spec text to limit what aria attributes can be overridden by strong native semantics (e.g., aria-label and aria-labelledby) -- due 2014-07-28 -- OPEN
18:20:14 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1489
18:20:31 <MichaelC> action-1489 due 4 weeks
18:20:31 <trackbot> Set action-1489 Propose spec text to limit what aria attributes can be overridden by strong native semantics (e.g., aria-label and aria-labelledby) due date to 2014-10-13.
18:20:43 <mattking> MC: need 4 weeks
18:20:50 <mattking> action-1493?
18:20:50 <trackbot> action-1493 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose spec text allowing ¨implicit value for role¨ to provide default values for required properties -- due 2014-09-09 -- OPEN
18:20:50 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1493
18:21:06 <MichaelC> action-1493 due 2 weeks
18:21:06 <trackbot> Set action-1493 Propose spec text allowing ¨implicit value for role¨ to provide default values for required properties due date to 2014-09-29.
18:21:09 <mattking> Joseph: 2 more weeks.
18:21:40 <mattking> rrsagent, make minutes
18:21:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/15-aria-minutes.html mattking
18:22:21 <mattking> TOPIC: Other discussion
18:22:56 <mattking> JG: is there other test case work that needs to be done?
18:23:15 <mattking> CS: there are test cases that didn't get run b/c we already met conformance.
18:23:38 <mattking> CS: some cases are not run for IE, and that info would be helpful.
18:24:17 <mattking> MC: Getting test cases for new features created in a more timely manner would be helpful.
18:25:00 <mattking> JG: Right now I have people that want to do stuff and do not want to lose their interest.
18:25:22 <mattking> Lisa: Is PF meeting at the F2F?
18:25:37 <mattking> MC: no PF specific meetings, but there are ARIA topics.
18:25:40 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
18:25:44 <Zakim> -Bryan_Garaventa
18:25:49 <Zakim> -Léonie_Watson
18:25:54 <Zakim> -Joanmarie_Diggs
18:25:59 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
18:26:01 <Zakim> -Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:26:01 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
18:26:01 <mattking> RRSAgent, make minutes
18:26:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/15-aria-minutes.html mattking
18:26:08 <Zakim> -janina
18:26:08 <mattking> zakim, bye
18:26:08 <Zakim> Zakim has left #aria
18:26:09 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Michael_Cooper, janina, +1.703.978.aaaa, Joseph_Scheuhammer, +1.603.882.aabb, Joanmarie_Diggs, Fred_Hesch, Jon_Gunderson,
18:26:09 <Zakim> ... Cynthia_Shelly, +1.541.678.aacc, Matt_King, Léonie_Watson, Fred_Esch, Lisa_Seeman, +1.415.624.aadd, Bryan_Garaventa
18:26:46 <mattking> rrsagent, make minutes
18:26:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/15-aria-minutes.html mattking