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12:32:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:32:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
12:32:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:32:39 <trackbot> Date: 10 September 2014
12:33:25 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:33:25 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:33:42 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:33:42 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has not yet started, shadi
12:33:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, carlos, shadi, trackbot
12:33:57 <shadi> zakim, this is ert
12:33:57 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM
12:34:05 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:34:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P15, Shadi
12:34:40 <shadi> zakim, ??p15 is carlos
12:34:40 <Zakim> +carlos; got it
12:36:29 <shadi> https://github.com/w3c/w3c-waet/labels/needs%20discussion
12:42:41 <shadi> Topic: Issue #2 https://github.com/w3c/w3c-waet/issues/2
12:45:26 <shadi> CV: no test suite and mechanism to benchmark tools
12:46:40 <shadi> SAZ: can we find some simple labels like "fully checks SC", "partially checks SC", and "doesn't address SC at all"
12:49:26 <shadi> CV: not measurable unless we use massive resources
12:49:39 <shadi> SAZ: so until then, prone to interpretation
12:52:06 <shadi> ...honest vendors will not use because their tools would seem worse then they really are
12:52:26 <shadi> ...and others may use it to misrepresent their tools
12:53:45 <shadi> RESOLUTION: not add feature because there is no widely accepted comprehensive test case, but possible mention this somewhere together with the warning that tool support for automated testing varies significantly
12:59:30 <shadi> Topic: Issue #63 https://github.com/w3c/w3c-waet/issues/63
13:07:00 <shadi> CV: maybe can add a note in the formats section to "media", that they are hardly supported by tools
13:07:15 <shadi> ...prefer information close to where it is relevant in the document
13:08:20 <shadi> RESOLUTION: add note to 2.1.1 that few tools are known to evaluate media formats
13:12:44 <shadi> SAZ: the other point raised in this comment, is that tools provide varying approaches for checking accessibility features and that they have varying levels of accuracy
13:13:01 <shadi> ...we already address this point in the "testing" section
13:13:11 <shadi> Topic: Issue #18 https://github.com/w3c/w3c-waet/issues/18
13:24:02 <shadi> CV: created new section to separate between "user emulation" that is currently discussed under "dynamic content", and checking "rich internet applications" after rendering
13:24:30 <shadi> ...this also resolves comments #5 and #40
13:25:23 <shadi> RESOLUTION: addressed by rewrite mentioned above
13:26:02 <shadi> Topic: Issue #40 https://github.com/w3c/w3c-waet/issues/40
13:26:15 <shadi> RESOLUTION: addressed together with #18
13:26:37 <shadi> Topic: Issue #5 https://github.com/w3c/w3c-waet/issues/5
13:29:34 <Zakim> -carlos
13:29:35 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:29:35 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:29:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, carlos
13:30:02 <shadi> SAZ: need a new section but need to avoid the word "simulation"
13:30:16 <shadi> action: shadi to check with EO on alternative terms
13:30:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Check with eo on alternative terms [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2014-09-17].
13:30:33 <shadi> RESOLUTION: accept feature request
13:30:39 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:30:39 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:30:39 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:30:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:30:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/09/10-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:30:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:30:48 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/10-er-actions.rdf :
13:30:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to check with EO on alternative terms [1]
13:30:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/09/10-er-irc#T13-30-16