14:43:17 RRSAgent has joined #mobile-a11y 14:43:17 logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-mobile-a11y-irc 14:43:19 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:43:19 Zakim has joined #mobile-a11y 14:43:21 Zakim, this will be WAI_MATF 14:43:21 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_MATF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes 14:43:22 Meeting: Mobile Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 14:43:22 Date: 28 August 2014 14:43:47 chair: Kathleen_Wahlbin 14:44:25 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobile-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0020.html 14:46:44 regrets+ Alan, Jan, Detlev 14:47:13 Agenda+ Techniques resources review: 14:47:15 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Techniques_Resources 14:47:16 Agenda+ Techniques review: G9, G53 14:47:18 Agenda+ Techniques assignments 14:47:20 Agenda+ Next Steps – the next meeting will be Thursday, September 4 at 11 AM Eastern 14:49:39 Kathy has joined #mobile-a11y 14:50:58 WAI_MATF()11:00AM has now started 14:51:05 +Kathy_Wahlbin 14:52:36 +Kim_Patch 14:52:48 jeanne has joined #mobile-a11y 14:54:48 zakim, who is on the phone 14:54:48 I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Kathy 15:00:41 +Jeanne 15:01:56 +TomB 15:02:27 KimPatch_ has joined #mobile-a11y 15:03:49 + +1.605.791.aaaa 15:03:55 Brent has joined #mobile-a11y 15:04:06 jon_avila has joined #mobile-a11y 15:05:00 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Techniques_Resources 15:05:17 scribe: Kathy 15:05:32 +jon_avila 15:06:06 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/Techniques_Resources 15:06:16 Kim - Techniques resource review guide is a step by step example on how to make changes 15:07:49 Kim- need to fill in all the columns on the technique assignments. See G10 for example 15:09:25 Kathy: the general gist of what we are going to do in terms of procedure is we are having people sign up for the different techniques – many of you on the phone have already done that. Over the weekend of the filling out the new techniques we are going to do as well so you'll be able to sign-up for those starting on Monday. Based on those assignments would like people to be working in... 15:09:26 ...submitting these to the group so that we can get them on a survey. So what we'll do is once an item is finished will be collecting all of the items into of weekly survey and will have everybody do comments on them – except as proposed, except as proposed with changes, or do not accept and you can then enter in comments for all of those 15:09:46 Kathy: the reason for the surveys is we have some asynchronous users. 15:11:35 Kathy: the deadline to get the items to the WCAG working group is November 18. We will submit as we get these done. In order to give the group enough time to review all the items are deadline is November 18. The items that get submitted to the working group by November 18 will be in the March 2015 release of the WCAG techniques. We need to get as much done as we can by this date. We will... 15:11:36 ...do some new techniques as well. I'll prioritize to suggest which new ones we can get into the March release so we can get this information out to people. If we don't get out before November 18 the next releases six months after March, so them were looking at the summer. 15:11:52 Kathy: we would love to get as many as done as possible especially since some of them are small. 15:12:40 kim- on the process, click on the link to the left. That page, is the comments, make sure you start at the bottom and put in the suggested chnage 15:13:00 +1 15:14:13 take up next 15:14:22 zakim, take up next 15:14:22 agendum 1. "Techniques resources review:" taken up [from KimPatch] 15:14:25 zakim, take up next 15:14:25 agendum 1 was just opened, Kathy 15:14:37 zakim, next item 15:14:37 agendum 1 was just opened, KimPatch 15:14:41 Kathy: Jon completed G4 15:14:50 zakim, next item 15:14:50 agendum 1 was just opened, KimPatch 15:14:53 Jon - suggested a third example 15:15:09 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G4 15:15:20 zakim, next item 15:15:20 agendum 1 was just opened, KimPatch 15:16:24 Jon: we could of just included tapping, but I tried to provide a more device independent example 15:17:56 zakim, next item 15:17:56 agendum 2. "Techniques review: G9, G53" taken up [from KimPatch] 15:18:24 Jon: originally reviewed by Jeanne, I added a second example 15:19:19 Kathy: alternative for via 15:20:20 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/G53 15:23:05 http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/G53.html 15:24:12 Kathy: Alan had some suggested changes. This has a lot of user agent and assistive technology support notes and it's got several different examples – where you can have the link text of the sentence together. Originally we looked at this and said we need to have user agent support notes, mobile is to be added. Alan had additional edits – additional example. He didn't address the support note. 15:24:43 Kathy: the question out to everybody is there are different key commands for iOS and android that I know of for reading paragraphs and text – if we're looking at user agent support notes what devices do you think we should cover 15:26:12 is iOS and android sufficient at this time? 15:27:12 Kim: those of the obvious ones, there are many, and there are many that do things that the obvious ones don't do – don't know how to address that 15:27:13 Kathy: when we are adding in user agent notes how inclusive do we have to be – right now it's pretty old, fairly out of date as it is 15:27:51 Tom: should we have Microsoft in that? 15:27:59 Kathy: is anyone on the call doing anything with Microsoft mobile? 15:28:18 Jon: I have some devices – are we going to include surface, tablet as well? 15:28:28 Kathy: surface you can just put jaws on it, 15:28:46 Jon: that's Pro, not RT 15:29:17 Kathy: I've done a little bit with Windows, but if we have people who are during more on Microsoft that would be great 15:30:03 Jon: I have devices, I've used them, it would certainly take time. But I was looking through a lot of these techniques a lot of these questions came up where I think it would be good to actually collaborate and discuss some of these, and then we could delegate certain tasks. For this particular one I can research Windows phone and window surface support 15:30:45 Tom: should we reach out to Microsoft 15:31:08 Jeanne: I think that's a good idea – for Microsoft all they have to do is contact their rep and they can be put into the group. If there's someone from Microsoft we want to invite let me know 15:31:28 Tom: we have enough contacts, we might be able to provide an introduction, let me look into it and find the best person to work with 15:32:25 Jon: just looking at the Windows phone, swipe very similar to iOS and android. We can have a general mobile touchscreen gesture to say if you are using a screen reader with a mobile device to swipe previous or next you can… That is perhaps what Alan was getting at. And then we can put in an example for narrator on the surface. 15:32:40 -TomB 15:33:08 Kim: the other device is the fire phone 15:33:43 Kathy: iit's actually very interesting, and I can play around with that, has its own screen reader 15:33:53 Kathy: only so much we can do – scope 15:34:06 Jon: is the reader different 15:34:17 Kathy: I can look and if it's different we can make you know, otherwise it's the same 15:35:06 https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/mobile-a11y-tf/wiki/SCR37 15:35:06 Kathy: with this one we will do more research – Jon you can add Microsoft notes, I will add notes on the fire phone and we can look at that next week 15:35:33 Kathy: SCR37 15:36:31 "The tab and the enter keys may not work on tablets and smartphones operated via bluetooth keyboards. On some devices and operating systems, arrow keys can be used to move the keyboard focus instead. Focused elements may need to be activated via other key combinations such as control-alt-space (iOS)." 15:37:56 Jon: on android there can be tab support and also support with arrow keys. can get confusing, certainly focus, whatever commands available, device independent way of exiting the dialogue. There are things that could be done consistently across all platforms 15:38:14 Kathy: I think this was to be added as a note, not as an example 15:39:01 Jon: do the notes appear in the description area? 15:39:03 Kathy: I don't know where this fits in – we should wait until Detlev is on the phone 15:39:27 Jon: I'm looking at tab order, we should probably change that to focus order to be more general 15:41:09 Kathy: number two also says check that the dialogue can be open and tab to the area and hit enter – I think that is what he was getting at you might not be able to do this 15:44:44 Kathy: encouraging people to sign up for more techniques, also shoot us an email if you have one that's ready that would help out. 15:45:39 Kathy: if you have anything else that should be discussed on these, it's fine to put that into the summary and we will put that was into the surveys and discuss as well. Do what you can, and add notes if we need to find more information or anything like that – don't want that the holdup discussions 15:46:18 Jon: was looking at some of these and would like to discuss – can we do part of the meeting getting some feedback 15:46:39 Kathy: good idea – we can make part of the meeting, maybe first 15 minutes to do discussion and if there is nothing, then we can move on to the rest of the agenda items 15:47:39 Kathy: a few minutes left – can look at techniques and sign up for a few more. I'll have the list of new techniques by Monday and we can sign up for those as well 15:47:59 -Jeanne 15:48:04 -jon_avila 15:48:11 - +1.605.791.aaaa 15:48:15 -Kathy_Wahlbin 15:48:49 zakim, list participants 15:48:49 As of this point the attendees have been Kathy_Wahlbin, Kim_Patch, Jeanne, TomB, +1.605.791.aaaa, jon_avila 15:49:36 rsagent, make minutes 15:49:45 rrsagent, make minutes 15:49:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-mobile-a11y-minutes.html KimPatch 15:50:17 rrsagent, bye 15:50:17 I see no action items