IRC log of i18n on 2014-08-28
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc
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- trackbot, prepare teleconference
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 28 August 2014
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Aug/0044.html
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- zakim, dial richard please
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has now started
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- +Richard
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- +aphillip
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see Richard, aphillip
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
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- +JcK
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- 14:04:53 [aphillip]
- zakim, ??P1 is David
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- +David; got it
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- Topic: Agenda
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- Topic: Action Items
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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- close action-327
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- Closed action-327.
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- close action-331
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- Closed action-331.
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- close action-333
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- Closed action-333.
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- Topic: Info Share
- 14:07:26 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:07:45 [aphillip]
- richard: just this second
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- .... uploaded a new indic layout requirements draft
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- richard: published new pre-defined counter styles
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- ... so look at that if interested as well
- 14:08:39 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/indic-layout/
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:08:57 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/predefined-counter-styles/
- 14:10:12 [aphillip]
- richard: on 7th of sept going to china
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- ... meeting about chinese layout requirements
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- ... includes minority language
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- ... community members
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- Topic: Review RADAR
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
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- Topic: Encoding LC
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- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html
- 14:13:46 [aphillip]
- richard: logistical issues publishing if I'm traveling the 7th
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- ... will have a call with PLH, requires addison also
- 14:14:03 [aphillip]
- ... need to close off all issues
- 14:14:54 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-355
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- verified ok
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- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-371
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- (discussion of 371)
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- richard: write back to Martin and check if he is now satisfied
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- addison: will do
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- action: addison: write back to martin to verify satisfaction on encoding 371
- 14:17:27 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-334 - Write back to martin to verify satisfaction on encoding 371 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
- 14:17:35 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-372
- 14:19:52 [aphillip]
- addison: nudge martin on 372 also
- 14:21:05 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-373
- 14:21:43 [aphillip]
- richard: probably count as verified
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- ACTION: Richard to note that 373 is verified
- 14:21:57 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-335 - Note that 373 is verified [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-09-04].
- 14:22:01 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-374
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2014JulSep/0195.html
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- leandro: will contact larry masinter to follow up
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- ... send you the email
- 14:25:32 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26256
- 14:25:32 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26256
- 14:26:36 [aphillip]
- action: addison: write to josh bell to confirm satisfaction on 26256
- 14:26:36 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-336 - Write to josh bell to confirm satisfaction on 26256 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
- 14:26:44 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-385
- 14:26:51 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-385
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- richard: done, spec changed
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- ... ask Ken if any objections?
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- action: addison: write back to Ken+Unicode+PLH to confirm satisfaction on 386
- 14:27:50 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-337 - Write back to ken+unicode+plh to confirm satisfaction on 386 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
- 14:28:26 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26154
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- action: write to anne on 26154 for status
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- Error finding 'write'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/track/users>.
- 14:29:51 [aphillip]
- action: addison: write to anne 26154 for sstatus
- 14:29:51 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-338 - Write to anne 26154 for sstatus [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
- 14:29:55 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-xxx
- 14:30:19 [aphillip]
- richard: ralph swick mentioned first
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- ... as an issue andrew raised
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- ... write ot andrew offline
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- ... he was much clearer in his response
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- ... he was of opinion that we should close
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- ... wrote back to get quote from him
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- ... not yet replied
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- http://rishida.net/blog/?p=1129
- 14:32:11 [aphillip]
- richard: that's a link you can read that sort of covers it
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- addison: orthogonal because it is all utf-8
- 14:34:48 [r12a]
- here's my take on whether this is an issue: thank you for raising this issue, which is well worth noting, however the Encoding spec is attempting to document and make interoperable current browser support for non-Unicode encodings (it only refers to a subset of the current non-Unicode encodings), and and otherwise persuade everyone to move to correct use of UTF-8 encoded Unicode. For that reason, addressing the concerns you raise would be out of scope
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- for the spec.
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:35:38 [aphillip]
- addison: call it out of scope
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- action: richard: follow up further with andrew to confirm that issue-xxx is out of scope
- 14:36:03 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-339 - Follow up further with andrew to confirm that issue-xxx is out of scope [on Richard Ishida - due 2014-09-04].
- 14:37:03 [aphillip]
- addison: any outside concerns we're missing?
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- richard: don't think so
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- jck: john cowan pointed out that there are developing practices, particuarly for unencoded minority languages
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- ... something to be aware of
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- richard: get unicode to say something?
- 14:38:13 [aphillip]
- jck: getting them to say something would be best
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- ... respond to cowan that way?
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- ... and copy ken/mark?
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- richard: addison/self can raise at unicode ed comm.
- 14:39:14 [aphillip]
- action: addison: raise unencoded scripts issue with unicode
- 14:39:15 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-340 - Raise unencoded scripts issue with unicode [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
- 14:39:36 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26646
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- richard: I am satisfied
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- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26655
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- action: addison: write to mathis bynens for satisfaction on 26655
- 14:41:05 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-341 - Write to mathis bynens for satisfaction on 26655 [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
- 14:41:23 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-doc.html#issue-26685
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- richard: no intent to raise a formal objection
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- addison: encoding next items
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- These bugs existed before the Last Call, mostly for quite a long time before. Anne does not expect to resolve any outstanding bugs in this list before mid September. He believes that too much research and work is involved. These, then, where not closed, are items to be considered for Encoding.next.
- 14:43:02 [aphillip]
- addison: any objection to our resolution on these?
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: next steps
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- ... 1. close down issues
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- ... 2. agree transition review date
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- ... 3. week before richard to send transition request
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- ... 4. prepare
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- ... 5. transition review
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- ... 6. then announce (assuming survival of 5)
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- richard: some new versions of martin's tests
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- ... spent a large part of weekend on them
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:45:15 [r12a]
- Links to new tests for single-byte encodings:
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- http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/indexes/results-indexes.en.php
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:45:39 [aphillip]
- richard: shows where browsers pass/fail
- 14:45:49 [aphillip]
- ... ibm866 not passing for chrome and
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- -David
- 14:45:57 [aphillip]
- ... chrome plans to fix
- 14:46:42 [aphillip]
- richard: orange stuff in ff column
- 14:46:49 [aphillip]
- ... bug raised against mozilla
- 14:46:52 [aphillip]
- ... expect them to fix
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- richard: only remaining issue is IE
- 14:47:13 [r12a]
- http://www.w3.org/International/tests/repository/encoding/indexes/results-aliases
- 14:47:15 [aphillip]
- ... shouldn't prevent us transitiontion
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- richard: also produced the above
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- ... also tests all of the aliases
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- ... apart from IE, pretty good
- 14:48:14 [aphillip]
- ... only took 12 hours
- 14:48:39 [aphillip]
- ... rewrote martins tests, so now different from his original tests
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- leandro: did you see response from larry
- 14:49:11 [aphillip]
- richard: will try again
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
- 14:50:46 [aphillip]
- Topic: IRI and miscelleny
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- https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/IRIStatus
- 14:51:26 [aphillip]
- richard: lots of folks looking at it
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- jck: could be controversial in same was as encoding
- 14:53:17 [aphillip]
- richard: should sync with url folks
- 14:53:22 [aphillip]
- ... dan applequist
- 14:53:22 [r12a]
- esp Daniel Appelquist
- 14:53:49 [aphillip]
- action: addison: write to Daniel Appelquist about IRI wiki page seeking input
- 14:53:49 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-342 - Write to daniel appelquist about iri wiki page seeking input [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-09-04].
- 14:55:20 [aphillip]
- leandro: will look at it
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- Topic: AOB?
- 14:57:12 [aphillip]
- richard: jens asserts that machines should do language detection
- 14:57:46 [aphillip]
- ... will respond, challenging his basis
- 14:58:58 [r12a]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2014JulSep/0136.html
- 14:59:43 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/62
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/384
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- -leandro
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- -JcK
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- I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'who is here'
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- zakim, who is here?
- 15:02:38 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Richard, aphillip
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, aphillip, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
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- -aphillip
- 15:19:17 [r12a]
- zakim, drop richard
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- Richard is being disconnected
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- I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Richard, aphillip, JcK, leandro, David
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- Present: Addison, Richard, Leandro, JcK, David
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- Regrets: Felix
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: addison: write back to martin to verify satisfaction on encoding 371 [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-17-27
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Richard to note that 373 is verified [2]
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-21-57
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: addison: write to josh bell to confirm satisfaction on 26256 [3]
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-26-36
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: addison: write back to Ken+Unicode+PLH to confirm satisfaction on 386 [4]
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-27-50
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: write to anne on 26154 for status [5]
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-29-26
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: addison: write to anne 26154 for sstatus [6]
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-29-51
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: richard: follow up further with andrew to confirm that issue-xxx is out of scope [7]
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-36-02
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: addison: raise unencoded scripts issue with unicode [8]
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-39-14
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: addison: write to mathis bynens for satisfaction on 26655 [9]
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-41-04
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: addison: write to Daniel Appelquist about IRI wiki page seeking input [10]
- 15:20:59 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/28-i18n-irc#T14-53-49