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13:56:26 <Norm> zakim, this will be xproc
13:56:26 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:57 <lcahlander> Hello Norm
13:57:11 <Norm> Morning lcahlander
13:57:25 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
13:57:25 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
13:57:25 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-agenda
13:57:25 <Norm> Date: 27 Aug 2014
13:57:25 <Norm> Meeting: 249
13:57:26 <Norm> Chair: Norm
13:57:28 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
13:57:30 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
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14:01:52 <Norm> zakim, who's here?
14:01:53 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has not yet started, Norm
14:01:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see ht, RRSAgent, Zakim, Norm, lcahlander, liam
14:02:00 <lcahlander> me
14:05:58 <Norm> -> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues
14:06:40 <Norm> zakim, mute ht
14:06:40 <Zakim> sorry, Norm, I don't know what conference this is
14:07:10 <ht> zakim, this is xprox
14:07:10 <Zakim> sorry, ht, I do not see a conference named 'xprox' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:07:13 <ht> zakim, this is xproc
14:07:13 <Zakim> ok, ht; that matches XML_PMWG()10:00AM
14:07:23 <Norm> Present: Norm, Loren, Alex, Henry
14:07:28 <Norm> zakim, ??P3 is ht
14:07:28 <Zakim> +ht; got it
14:07:30 <Norm> zakim, mute ht
14:07:32 <Zakim> ht should now be muted
14:07:57 <Norm> Regrets: Jim
14:07:58 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
14:07:58 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/27-agenda
14:08:11 <Norm> Accepted.
14:08:12 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
14:08:12 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2014/08/20-minutes
14:08:23 <Norm> Accepted.
14:08:36 <Norm> Next meeting: 3 Sep 2014
14:08:52 <ht> Regrets for 3 Sept
14:09:13 <Norm> No regrets heard. Norm will have to give regrets for 10, 17, and possibly 24 Sep
14:09:21 <ht> Regrets for 3 Sept
14:09:38 <Norm> Topic: Specification issues
14:09:48 <Norm> -> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues
14:09:59 <Norm> Norm describes the move to GitHub issues for the spec
14:11:11 <Norm> Alex: Did you merge my XInclude stuff?
14:11:15 <Norm> Norm: Yes, in the xproc20 branch.
14:12:01 <Norm> Norm: I want everyone to use pull requests to change the spec.
14:13:28 <Norm> Topic: Test suite issues
14:13:38 <Norm> -> https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/issues
14:14:48 <Norm> Norm describes the test-suite repo
14:15:04 <Norm> -> https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/pull/13
14:15:11 <Norm> Norm describes his pull request.
14:16:32 <Norm> -> https://github.com/ndw/test-suite/commit/018adf51bb43edea7c00883818507bea6ddbbf6b
14:17:45 <Norm> Alex: Alternatively, we could have multiple expected results and the test passes if you match any one of them.
14:18:21 <Norm> Norm: I agree, but that'd be a bigger change in the test suite.
14:19:12 <Norm> Alex: I'm fine with this change, but we should consider multiple outputs for the future
14:20:49 <Norm> -> https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/issues/15
14:21:26 <Norm> Norm: I propose that we accept the change offered in https://github.com/xproc/test-suite/pull/13
14:22:39 <Norm> http://tests.xproc.org/tests/required/data-002.xml
14:24:11 <Norm> zakim, mute ht
14:24:11 <Zakim> ht should now be muted
14:25:58 <Norm> Alex: How far are we going to go, are we going to try to produce tests that test every conceivable variation.
14:26:04 <Norm> Norm: We're going to go as far as we can.
14:27:18 <Norm> Henry: I hear Norm saying "it would be a bug if our core processing didn't accept quoted content type parameters", but that doesn't appear to be the problem.
14:27:38 <Norm> ...Alex is suggesting we should normalize these things. If we find places where there was a bug in somebody's step implementation then we should try to make sure that we test that.
14:27:45 <Norm> ...But we can't go and look for all possible bugs.
14:27:54 <Norm> ...What I heard Alex say was that we should actually normalize this.
14:28:11 <Norm> Alex: I think you misheard me. I think there is an open issue of how we deal with this in general in our test suite for 2.0.
14:28:30 <Norm> ...I think we should consider this carefully so that we have a good test suite without combinatorial issues.
14:28:55 <Norm> ...My question was "should we be trying to be that complete". Norm says "best effort" and I think that's a fine answer.
14:29:30 <Norm> Norm: I'm happy to have tests for all the cases we think of.
14:29:51 <Norm> Alex: I've run into this with other test suites.
14:30:05 <Norm> Norm: I think experience with the 1.0 test suite will improve the 2.0 test suite.
14:30:34 <Norm> Norm: Coming back around to my question, does anyone object to the proposed change to those two tests?
14:30:38 <Norm> None heard. Accepted.
14:30:56 <Norm> -> Requirement “2.3 Align with XPath 3.0 technlogies”
14:31:11 <Norm> -> -> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/30
14:31:31 <Norm> Norm: I attempted to address part of the 2.3 requirement, removing XPath 1.0
14:31:36 <Norm> -> https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/remove-xpath-10/head/
14:32:18 <Norm> Norm waffles on a bit about XPath versions...
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14:35:11 <Norm> Alex: How are we going to track the changes? For example, if I wanted to write an upgrade tool, how would I know that two p: functions had been removed.
14:35:23 <Norm> Norm: I guess there should be a changelog.
14:35:44 <Norm> Alex: It doesn't have to be in the document.
14:36:46 <alexmilowski> (my house is quickly devolving into morning children drama ... I may not last too much longer)
14:37:28 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
14:37:44 <Norm> None heard.
14:37:51 <Norm> Adjourned.
14:37:59 <Zakim> -Norm
14:38:00 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
14:38:03 <Zakim> -Loren_Cahlander
14:38:11 <Zakim> -ht
14:38:11 <Norm> rrsangent, draft minutes
14:38:12 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()10:00AM has ended
14:38:12 <Zakim> Attendees were Loren_Cahlander, Norm, Alex_Milows, ht
14:38:18 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:38:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/27-xproc-minutes.html Norm
14:38:39 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world visible
14:38:43 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:38:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/27-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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