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15:12:34 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:12:34 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 48 minutes
15:12:42 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:15:49 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: E.A. Draffan, Debra Ruh,Kinshuk, Deborah Dahl , Susann Keohane
15:16:21 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
15:16:23 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ set scribe
15:16:24 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ review actions, groups
15:16:26 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ what other technologies and approaches should we be reviewing for next draft
15:16:27 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ proposal for metrics
15:16:29 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ identifying user strategies.
15:16:31 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ cognitive function table
15:16:32 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ How ill we receive comments?
15:16:34 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
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15:52:09 <Zakim> Attendees were
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15:58:44 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, [IPcaller]  is me
15:58:44 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
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16:00:56 <KateDeibel> zakim, ??P4 is me
16:00:56 <Zakim> +KateDeibel; got it
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16:03:48 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, 508  is JohnRochford
16:03:48 <Zakim> sorry, Lisa_Seeman, I do not recognize a party named '508'
16:04:02 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, +1. is JohnRochford
16:04:02 <Zakim> +JohnRochford; got it
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16:06:33 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/
16:06:44 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aabb
16:07:01 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/
16:07:20 <JohnRochford> Zakim, aabb is Tony_Doran
16:07:20 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran; got it
16:07:24 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
16:07:31 <Tony_Doran> Zakim aabb is Tony_Doran
16:07:39 <Tony_Doran> Oh - Thanks John
16:10:09 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: KateDeibel
16:11:41 <Tony_Doran> I know of none - but would really like to see some
16:11:59 <KateDeibel> john rochford: doing a literature review for cognitive disability user testing... no responses. does anyone on the phone know of literature that these techniques actually work?
16:14:30 <KateDeibel> lisa attended a conference and found people citing research as a starting point for the research
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16:14:44 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:14:54 <Tony_Doran> Not web specific but we base a lot of our work on Research - this carries over in terms of techniques (highlighting text etc)
16:14:55 <Tony_Doran> http://www.texthelp.com/UK/Research
16:15:02 <Tony_Doran> May be of use
16:15:22 <Tony_Doran> http://www.texthelp.com/uk/research/product-research/
16:15:29 <Tony_Doran> http://www.texthelp.com/uk/research/industry-research-and-articles/
16:15:37 <KateDeibel> Tony Doran: http://www.texthelp.com/uk/research/product-research/
16:15:44 <KateDeibel> Kate: http://www.texthelp.com/uk/research/product-research/
16:15:54 <KateDeibel> Kate: http://www.computing.dundee.ac.uk/groups/accessible-computing
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16:17:33 <janina> zakim, ??P11 is me
16:17:33 <Zakim> +janina; got it
16:17:45 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:17:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "set scribe" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:17:57 <KateDeibel> kate: Dawe, M. (2006). Desperately seeking simplicity: How young adults with cognitive disabilities and their families adopt assistive technologies. In Proceedings of the SIGCHI conference on human factors in computing systems (pp. 1143–1152). New York: ACM Press.
16:17:58 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, close item
16:17:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', Lisa_Seeman
16:18:32 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/
16:18:48 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:18:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "review actions, groups" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:19:26 <JohnRochford> Thanks, Kate!
16:19:45 <KateDeibel> john... let's talk a little afterwards if you have time
16:20:03 <JohnRochford> Yes, Kate, I do.
16:21:44 <JohnRochford> I have been publishing blog posts about our group's activities. See http://clearhelper.wordpress.com/
16:21:58 <KateDeibel> John: I have been publishing blog posts about our group's activities. See http://clearhelper.wordpress.com/
16:24:55 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:24:55 <Zakim> agendum 3. "what other technologies and approaches should we be reviewing for next draft" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:25:13 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
16:25:39 <Lisa_Seeman> https://w3c.github.io/wcag/coga/gap-analysis.html
16:27:28 <Lisa_Seeman> echnologies reviews:
16:27:29 <Lisa_Seeman>     Assistive technologies such as AAC and AAC core vocabularies
16:27:31 <Lisa_Seeman>     Reading techs
16:27:32 <Lisa_Seeman>     Adaptive technologies for learning
16:27:34 <Lisa_Seeman>     APIP and IMS
16:27:35 <Lisa_Seeman>     Daisy and epub
16:27:37 <Lisa_Seeman>     Aria
16:27:38 <Lisa_Seeman>     Indi ui
16:27:40 <Lisa_Seeman>     Fluid
16:27:41 <Lisa_Seeman>     ISO
16:27:43 <Lisa_Seeman>     Voice ML and menu systems
16:27:45 <Lisa_Seeman>     RDFA
16:27:46 <Lisa_Seeman>     Web Security (Including CAPTUR)
16:27:48 <Lisa_Seeman>     Web RTC (real time communications)
16:27:49 <Lisa_Seeman>     WCAG
16:27:51 <Lisa_Seeman>     Access for all and GPII
16:27:52 <Lisa_Seeman>     EMMA
16:27:54 <Lisa_Seeman>         Debra Dahl
16:27:55 <Lisa_Seeman>     Text Simplification
16:27:57 <Lisa_Seeman> Also taken from HTML 5 wishlist:
16:27:58 <Lisa_Seeman>     Full Transcript
16:28:00 <Lisa_Seeman>         John Foliot is interested in exploring this.
16:28:01 <Lisa_Seeman>     Media Descriptions
16:28:03 <Lisa_Seeman>         John Foliot.
16:28:04 <Lisa_Seeman>     Date UI Widgets
16:28:06 <Lisa_Seeman>         Janina
16:28:08 <Lisa_Seeman>     Input type numeric
16:28:09 <Lisa_Seeman>     Emotion Markup
16:28:11 <Lisa_Seeman>         Debra Dahl
16:28:13 <Lisa_Seeman>     Haptic Output
16:28:14 <Lisa_Seeman>     Gaming
16:28:16 <Lisa_Seeman>     Referencing UAAG
16:28:18 <Lisa_Seeman>     Media
16:28:19 <Lisa_Seeman>     Web Payments
16:28:21 <Lisa_Seeman>     Footnotes, End notes, Annotations, Definitions
16:28:22 <Lisa_Seeman>         ePub, ARIA
16:28:24 <Lisa_Seeman>     Real Time Chat
16:28:25 <Lisa_Seeman>         Janina
16:28:27 <Lisa_Seeman>     Accesskey
16:28:28 <Lisa_Seeman>         John Foliot
16:28:30 <Lisa_Seeman>     Menus
16:28:32 <Lisa_Seeman>         Cynthia
16:28:33 <Lisa_Seeman> WCAG
16:29:37 <Tony_Doran> Agree
16:29:49 <Lisa_Seeman> debra: technologies and standards
16:30:10 <Tony_Doran> Aria is a standard too etc
16:32:35 <Tony_Doran> Daisy format/spec is a beast of a thing! Not all talk - 6 variant formats IIRC.
16:34:41 <Tony_Doran> Some have less text etc - yes
16:34:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> http://www.idpf.org/epub/vocab/structure/
16:35:07 <Tony_Doran> Daisy also has a protected version for copyrighted texts
16:35:15 <Lisa_Seeman>  Daisy and epub
16:35:15 <KateDeibel> Kate: I'll take a stab at Daisy and Epub
16:37:01 <Lisa_Seeman> action: katedeilbel to review  Daisy and Epub
16:37:01 <trackbot> Error finding 'katedeilbel'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
16:37:27 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Katherine Deibel to review  Daisy and Epub
16:37:27 <trackbot> 'Katherine' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., kdeibel, kmancuso).
16:37:38 <Lisa_Seeman> action: KDeibel to review  Daisy and Epub
16:37:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-37 - Review  daisy and epub [on Katherine Deibel - due 2014-09-01].
16:37:56 <Lisa_Seeman> action: Lisa to review  voiceml
16:37:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-38 - Review  voiceml [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-09-01].
16:39:31 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:39:33 <ddahl> I think you mean VoiceXML rather than voiceml
16:41:18 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Non_W3C
16:43:34 <KateDeibel> john: will tackle the web security overview
16:44:46 <Lisa_Seeman> action:  John_Rochford to review  web security technologies
16:44:46 <trackbot> Error finding 'John_Rochford'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
16:44:59 <Lisa_Seeman> action:  JRochford to review  web security technologies
16:44:59 <trackbot> Error finding 'JRochford'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/users>.
16:45:03 <Lisa_Seeman> action:  Rochford to review  web security technologies
16:45:03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-39 - Review  web security technologies [on John Rochford - due 2014-09-01].
16:47:19 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/
16:48:43 <Lisa_Seeman> not taking that on
16:49:19 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:49:19 <Zakim> agendum 4. "proposal for metrics" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:49:27 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0027.html
16:51:22 <Lisa_Seeman> Are there developer strategies
16:51:23 <Lisa_Seeman> Are they effective- The extent that they make the content accessible (by definition above) IE: fully, significant, slight
16:51:25 <Lisa_Seeman> Reliable - Are they: tested or proposed (proposed statgies are only interesting if we consider that they are likely to be very useful)
16:51:26 <Lisa_Seeman> Documented - Are their clear guidelines and techniques inside WAI
16:51:28 <Lisa_Seeman> Suported in standards - Can this stratgy be via HTML 5 and other open W3C standards in: a single page, adaptable page, WCAG complient, Can the user find  alternitve content page that issues there strategies
16:51:30 <Lisa_Seeman> Also we should identify:
16:51:31 <Lisa_Seeman>     Are there safety concerns
16:51:33 <Lisa_Seeman>     Frustration level: Are they useable but frustrating
16:54:42 <Lisa_Seeman> a?
16:54:45 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:55:18 <JohnRochford> Coy, Rich, Coy
16:56:30 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:56:36 <janina> Regrets, I need to leave a little early today for the dPub call ...
16:57:07 <Zakim> -janina
16:58:32 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:58:38 <Lisa_Seeman> learnign curve
16:59:19 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: lisa
16:59:36 <Tony_Doran> lol
16:59:37 <Lisa_Seeman> john: operational aspects
16:59:46 <KateDeibel> rage quit
17:00:15 <Tony_Doran> % chance of keyboard thrown out window?
17:00:31 <Tony_Doran> My bad!
17:01:24 <JohnRochford> possible definition of frustration = abandonment of task even though capable of performing it
17:01:25 <Lisa_Seeman> replace frustrion level level
17:04:13 <Lisa_Seeman> resolved: the metrics are adopted as draft
17:04:41 <Lisa_Seeman> Primary Elements
17:04:43 <Lisa_Seeman> Menus and navigation
17:04:44 <Lisa_Seeman> Site navigation
17:04:46 <Lisa_Seeman> Use voice ML menus
17:04:47 <Lisa_Seeman> Use web of things menu
17:04:49 <Lisa_Seeman> Page and content layout
17:04:50 <Lisa_Seeman> Presentation
17:04:52 <Lisa_Seeman> Language use
17:04:53 <Lisa_Seeman> Symbol use
17:04:55 <Lisa_Seeman> Capture and cookies
17:04:56 <Lisa_Seeman> Forms with multi stages, such as enrolling in healthcare,   make an appointment, enroll in online education
17:04:58 <Lisa_Seeman> Web Payments
17:04:59 <Lisa_Seeman> Date UI Widgets
17:05:01 <Lisa_Seeman> DHTML Apps (participate in online education)
17:05:02 <Lisa_Seeman> Document authoring - saving finding
17:05:04 <Lisa_Seeman> Use email
17:05:05 <Lisa_Seeman> Being aware of a change, identify important content
17:05:07 <Tony_Doran> Apologies I need to leave the call
17:05:07 <Lisa_Seeman> Search, research, and find information
17:05:09 <Lisa_Seeman>           Read and share news
17:05:10 <Lisa_Seeman>     Find and read emergency information
17:05:12 <Lisa_Seeman>     Find out rites and social service information
17:05:13 <Lisa_Seeman> Directions / locations
17:05:15 <Lisa_Seeman> Request information
17:05:16 <Lisa_Seeman> 
17:05:18 <Lisa_Seeman> Secondary Elements
17:05:19 <Lisa_Seeman> Use Media
17:05:21 <Lisa_Seeman> Use Real Time Chat
17:05:22 <Lisa_Seeman> Use Social media, Share
17:05:24 <Lisa_Seeman> Play
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17:06:00 <Zakim> -Tony_Doran
17:06:02 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:06:04 <Tony_Doran> Bye
17:09:24 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
17:09:40 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:09:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:09:47 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
17:09:47 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Lisa_Seeman, KateDeibel, +1.508.856.aaaa, JohnRochford, +44.289.442.aabb, Tony_Doran, Debbie_Dahl, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina
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17:09:57 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:09:57 <RRSAgent> I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-coga-actions.rdf :
17:09:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: katedeilbel to review  Daisy and Epub [1]
17:09:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-coga-irc#T16-37-01
17:09:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Katherine Deibel to review  Daisy and Epub [2]
17:09:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-coga-irc#T16-37-27
17:09:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KDeibel to review  Daisy and Epub [3]
17:09:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-coga-irc#T16-37-38
17:09:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Lisa to review  voiceml [4]
17:09:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-coga-irc#T16-37-56
17:09:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: John_Rochford to review  web security technologies [5]
17:09:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-coga-irc#T16-44-46
17:09:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JRochford to review  web security technologies [6]
17:09:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-coga-irc#T16-44-59
17:09:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Rochford to review  web security technologies [7]
17:09:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/25-coga-irc#T16-45-03