IRC log of dap on 2014-08-21

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Zakim, this will be DAP
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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 53 minutes
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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 21 August 2014
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fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279
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Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
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ScribeNick: fjh
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Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements
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Present+ Mats_Wichmann
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Zakim, ??P0 is mats
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+mats; got it
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zakim, ??P1 is me
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+anssik; got it
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Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
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zakim, who is here
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anssik, you need to end that query with '?'
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see mats, anssik
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On IRC I see anssik, ilya, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, dom, richt, mats, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot
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+ +7.495.974.aaaa
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Present+ Ilya_Bogdanovich
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zakim, code>'
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I don't understand 'code>'', fjh
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200, fjh
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+ +1.857.300.aabb
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- +1.857.300.aabb
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zakim, who is here
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fjh, you need to end that query with '?'
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see mats, anssik, +7.495.974.aaaa (muted), Cathy, Frederick_Hirsch
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On IRC I see Cathy, anssik, ilya, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, dom, richt, mats, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot
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it is Ilya
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Reminder, TPAC registration is open (however, DAP has no plans to meet)
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News related to W3C process updates. For specs apart from wake lock we will continue to use old process.
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see and
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anssik: process change, ReSpec has flag which refers to which process version
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anssik: fyi, one line config change in ReSpec to deal with process version
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Topic: Minutes approval
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Approve minutes from 7 August 2014
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RESOLUTION: Minutes from 7 August 2014 are approved
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Topic: CfC for CR publication of HTML Media Capture, Light, Vibration
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CfC, ends 21 Aug:
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Planned CR publication on 28 August 2014
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Please respond on list
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fjh: Anssi, thanks for preparing the CR drafts, see
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anssi: yes, please all take a look make sure it is ok
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fjh: will need director transition call to progress
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action: dom to arrange Director transition call for CR for HTML Media Capture, Light, Vibration before 28 Aug planned publication date
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Created ACTION-711 - Arrange director transition call for cr for html media capture, light, vibration before 28 aug planned publication date [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2014-08-28].
14:13:36 [fjh]
fjh: i don’t believe any non-substantive changes apart from status section
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fjh: language in HTML Media Capture status says “There have been no substantive changes"
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fjh: were there any?
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anssi: some references had case changes etc
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fjh: ok, will look at diff more closely
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fjh: everyone please take a look, respond to CfC on list
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Topic: CfC for LC Battery publication
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CfC, ends 21 Aug,:
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Please include draft changes subsequent to CfC email in considering CfC:
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Please respond on list, indicating support, including these updates (with [CfC battery] in subject)
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Zakim, ??P20 is me
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+dom; got it
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fjh: anssi prepared LC draft, please review
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dom: may not need transition call, but need to review that, may not be able to do by 28 Aug
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[we need a transition request first and foremost]
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fjh: Need formal transition request, explain what happened resolution from LC, then Dom can use that to determine with Director whether we need a call
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fjh: I will make transition request after CfC completes. Let’s keep the publication date until we have better information.
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fjh: would like to see if we can all publications together but will determine that later, no transition request
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Topic: Charter planning
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fjh: how extensive do we want to be about revising the charter, tweak or major rewrite
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dom: if we don’t change it can just extend it
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dom: otherwise need to recharter, or if we want to define a mechanism for adding new deliverables ore easily
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dom: this could be a good idea, but a CfC might not be sufficient for adding deliverables, could try it
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ack anssik
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dom: haven’t seen new deliverables
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dom: HTML has extensions specs; CSS may also have a mechanism
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... WebApps can get stuff from HTML WG
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... I'll take an action item to look more into this
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ACTION: Dom to look into chartering extensibility
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Created ACTION-712 - Look into chartering extensibility [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2014-08-28].
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see mats, anssik, +7.495.974.aaaa (muted), Cathy, Frederick_Hirsch, dom
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On IRC I see fjh_, Cathy, anssik, ilya, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, dom, richt, mats, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot
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Topic: Wake Lock
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plan to progress wake lock under current charter: see
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support has been noted on mail list:
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Use cases published as W3C Note, please note:
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Editors draft status and next steps
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Topic: Test update
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Vibration status update?
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fjh: anssi, did you get any response
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anssik: no, will need to check with him
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pub history:
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action: fjh to follow up on status of Network Service Discovery and plans going forward, also Named Web Sockets
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Created ACTION-713 - Follow up on status of network service discovery and plans going forward, also named web sockets [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-08-28].
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fjh: ok to postpone NSD issues since we’ve stopped NSD
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dom: it is a WD not a Note
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fjh: a, right, so we need to decide whether to continue work or publish note
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dom: also need to review where we are with Named Web Sockets
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asked if BroadcastChannel addresses the same use cases as Named Web Sockets proposal
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fjh: will take action to follow up, we should resolve; my impression is that we had stopped work on NSD but we need to be more formal about it
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also, would like to know if implementers are aware and/or interested in experimenting with NWS
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dom: should check on implementer interest
14:37:01 [anssik]
both Firefox and Chrome are experimenting with BroadcastChannel IIRC
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do you have a link?
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anssik: probably in html nightly as well
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Topic: Action review
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ACTION-706 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Add resolution to lc-2945 to draft -- due 2014-08-14 -- OPEN
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14:39:55 [fjh]
close ACTION-706
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Closed ACTION-706.
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no questions
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UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were mats, anssik, +7.495.974.aaaa, Frederick_Hirsch, Cathy, +1.857.300.aabb, dom
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close ACTION-705
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Closed ACTION-705.
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close ACTION-707
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Closed ACTION-707.
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ACTION-705 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Add warning to Battery API that (naive) implementation of API could negatively affect battery life -- due 2014-08-11 -- CLOSED
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ACTION-707 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send cfc for cr for html media capture, ambient light events, vibration api -- due 2014-08-14 -- CLOSED
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action-708 -- Anssi Kostiainen to to ask zhiqiang to complete vibration tests -- due 2014-08-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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open ACTION-708
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close ACTION-708
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Closed ACTION-708.
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action-709 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Follow upon on issue-166 and -- due 2014-08-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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close ACTION-709?
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Closed ACTION-709.
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action-710 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Look at issue-168 -- due 2014-08-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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14:46:00 [fjh]
close ACTION-710
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Closed ACTION-710.
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fjh: only open actions are those assigned at today’s meeting: Dom to arrange transition call, look into chartering extensibility, Frederick to follow up on NSD and Named Web Sockets
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Topic: Issues
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fjh: only open issues are for NSD
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fjh: will move all these issues to postponed
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Topic: Other Business
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Next meeting, scheduled for 4 Sept,
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Topic: Adjourn
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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Present+ Cathy_Chan
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Present- Cathy
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Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
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s/it is Ilya//
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s/process change, ReSpec/regarding process change, ReSpec/
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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Regrets+ Giri_Mandyam
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate fjh
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