IRC log of dap on 2014-08-21

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Zakim, this will be DAP

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ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 53 minutes

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Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 21 August 2014

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0047.html

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fjh has changed the topic to: dap 3279 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0047.html

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Chair: Frederick_Hirsch

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Present+ Frederick_Hirsch

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ScribeNick: fjh

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Topic: Welcome, agenda review, scribe selection, announcements

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Present+ Mats_Wichmann

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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started

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+??P0

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Zakim, ??P0 is mats

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+mats; got it

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+??P1

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zakim, ??P1 is me

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+anssik; got it

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Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen

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zakim, who is here

14:00:20 [Zakim]

anssik, you need to end that query with '?'

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zakim, who is here?

14:00:23 [Zakim]

On the phone I see mats, anssik

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On IRC I see anssik, ilya, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, dom, richt, mats, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot

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+ +7.495.974.aaaa

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Present+ Ilya_Bogdanovich

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+Frederick_Hirsch

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zakim, code>'

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I don't understand 'code>'', fjh

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zakim, code?

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the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh

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+Cathy

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+ +1.857.300.aabb

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-Frederick_Hirsch

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- +1.857.300.aabb

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+Frederick_Hirsch

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zakim, who is here

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fjh, you need to end that query with '?'

14:07:41 [fjh]

zakim, who is here?

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On the phone I see mats, anssik, +7.495.974.aaaa (muted), Cathy, Frederick_Hirsch

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On IRC I see Cathy, anssik, ilya, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, dom, richt, mats, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot

14:08:05 [ilya]

it is Ilya

14:08:26 [fjh]

Reminder, TPAC registration is open (however, DAP has no plans to meet) http://www.w3.org/2014/11/TPAC/

14:08:47 [fjh]

News related to W3C process updates. For specs apart from wake lock we will continue to use old process.

14:08:48 [fjh]

see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0012.html and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0030.html

14:09:54 [fjh]

anssik: process change, ReSpec has flag which refers to which process version

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anssik: fyi, one line config change in ReSpec to deal with process version

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Topic: Minutes approval

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Approve minutes from 7 August 2014

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/att-0014/minutes-2014-08-07.html

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RESOLUTION: Minutes from 7 August 2014 are approved

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Topic: CfC for CR publication of HTML Media Capture, Light, Vibration

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CfC, ends 21 Aug: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0016.html

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Planned CR publication on 28 August 2014

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Please respond on list

14:11:54 [fjh]

fjh: Anssi, thanks for preparing the CR drafts, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0048.html

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anssi: yes, please all take a look make sure it is ok

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fjh: will need director transition call to progress

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action: dom to arrange Director transition call for CR for HTML Media Capture, Light, Vibration before 28 Aug planned publication date

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Created ACTION-711 - Arrange director transition call for cr for html media capture, light, vibration before 28 aug planned publication date [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2014-08-28].

14:13:36 [fjh]

fjh: i don’t believe any non-substantive changes apart from status section

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fjh: language in HTML Media Capture status says “There have been no substantive changes"

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fjh: were there any?

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anssi: some references had case changes etc

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fjh: ok, will look at diff more closely

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fjh: everyone please take a look, respond to CfC on list

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Topic: CfC for LC Battery publication

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CfC, ends 21 Aug,: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0037.html

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Please include draft changes subsequent to CfC email in considering CfC: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0046.html

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Please respond on list, indicating support, including these updates (with [CfC battery] in subject)

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+??P20

14:16:01 [dom]

Zakim, ??P20 is me

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+dom; got it

14:16:22 [fjh]

fjh: anssi prepared LC draft, please review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0049.html

14:17:56 [fjh]

dom: may not need transition call, but need to review that, may not be able to do by 28 Aug

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[we need a transition request first and foremost]

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fjh: Need formal transition request, explain what happened resolution from LC, then Dom can use that to determine with Director whether we need a call

14:20:18 [fjh]

fjh: I will make transition request after CfC completes. Let’s keep the publication date until we have better information.

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fjh: would like to see if we can all publications together but will determine that later, no transition request

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Topic: Charter planning

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fjh: how extensive do we want to be about revising the charter, tweak or major rewrite

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dom: if we don’t change it can just extend it

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q+

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dom: otherwise need to recharter, or if we want to define a mechanism for adding new deliverables ore easily

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dom: this could be a good idea, but a CfC might not be sufficient for adding deliverables, could try it

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ack anssik

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dom: haven’t seen new deliverables

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dom: HTML has extensions specs; CSS may also have a mechanism

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... WebApps can get stuff from HTML WG

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... I'll take an action item to look more into this

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ACTION: Dom to look into chartering extensibility

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Created ACTION-712 - Look into chartering extensibility [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2014-08-28].

14:28:15 [fjh_]

zakim, who is here?

14:28:15 [Zakim]

On the phone I see mats, anssik, +7.495.974.aaaa (muted), Cathy, Frederick_Hirsch, dom

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On IRC I see fjh_, Cathy, anssik, ilya, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, dom, richt, mats, tobie, Josh_Soref, mounir, slightlyoff, trackbot

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Topic: Wake Lock

14:29:46 [fjh_]

plan to progress wake lock under current charter: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0035.html

14:29:46 [fjh_]

support has been noted on mail list:

14:29:48 [fjh_]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0036.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0043.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0045.html

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Use cases published as W3C Note, please note: http://www.w3.org/TR/wake-lock-use-cases/

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Editors draft status and next steps

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Topic: Test update

14:30:23 [fjh_]

Vibration status update? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2014Aug/0019.html

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fjh: anssi, did you get any response

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anssik: no, will need to check with him

14:32:33 [dom]

http://www.w3.org/TR/discovery-api/

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pub history: http://www.w3.org/standards/history/discovery-api

14:34:34 [fjh]

action: fjh to follow up on status of Network Service Discovery and plans going forward, also Named Web Sockets

14:34:35 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-713 - Follow up on status of network service discovery and plans going forward, also named web sockets [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2014-08-28].

14:35:10 [fjh]

fjh: ok to postpone NSD issues since we’ve stopped NSD

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dom: it is a WD not a Note

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fjh: a, right, so we need to decide whether to continue work or publish note

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dom: also need to review where we are with Named Web Sockets

14:35:56 [anssik]

asked if BroadcastChannel addresses the same use cases as Named Web Sockets proposal

14:36:07 [fjh]

fjh: will take action to follow up, we should resolve; my impression is that we had stopped work on NSD but we need to be more formal about it

14:36:32 [anssik]

also, would like to know if implementers are aware and/or interested in experimenting with NWS

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-dom

14:36:51 [fjh]

dom: should check on implementer interest

14:37:01 [anssik]

both Firefox and Chrome are experimenting with BroadcastChannel IIRC

14:37:22 [fjh]

do you have a link?

14:38:48 [anssik]

http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/comms.html#broadcasting-to-other-browsing-contexts

14:39:14 [fjh]

anssik: probably in html nightly as well

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Topic: Action review

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ACTION-706?

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ACTION-706 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Add resolution to lc-2945 to draft -- due 2014-08-14 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/706

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close ACTION-706

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Closed ACTION-706.

14:44:07 [ilya]

no questions

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bye

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-Cathy

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-Frederick_Hirsch

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- +7.495.974.aaaa

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-mats

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-anssik

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UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were mats, anssik, +7.495.974.aaaa, Frederick_Hirsch, Cathy, +1.857.300.aabb, dom

14:44:41 [fjh]

close ACTION-705

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Closed ACTION-705.

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close ACTION-707

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Closed ACTION-707.

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ACTION-705?

14:45:02 [trackbot]

ACTION-705 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Add warning to Battery API that (naive) implementation of API could negatively affect battery life -- due 2014-08-11 -- CLOSED

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/705

14:45:06 [fjh]

ACTION-707?

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ACTION-707 -- Frederick Hirsch to Send cfc for cr for html media capture, ambient light events, vibration api -- due 2014-08-14 -- CLOSED

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/707

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action-708?

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action-708 -- Anssi Kostiainen to to ask zhiqiang to complete vibration tests -- due 2014-08-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/708

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open ACTION-708

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close ACTION-708

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Closed ACTION-708.

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action-709?

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action-709 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Follow upon on issue-166 and http://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-device-apis/2014jul/0003.html -- due 2014-08-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/709

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close ACTION-709?

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Closed ACTION-709.

14:45:53 [fjh]

action-710?

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action-710 -- Anssi Kostiainen to Look at issue-168 http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/168 -- due 2014-08-14 -- PENDINGREVIEW

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http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/710

14:46:00 [fjh]

close ACTION-710

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Closed ACTION-710.

14:46:56 [fjh]

fjh: only open actions are those assigned at today’s meeting: Dom to arrange transition call, look into chartering extensibility, Frederick to follow up on NSD and Named Web Sockets

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Topic: Issues

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fjh: only open issues are for NSD

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fjh: will move all these issues to postponed

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Topic: Other Business

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None

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Next meeting, scheduled for 4 Sept, http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/minutes.html#upcoming-teleconferences

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s/None//

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Topic: Adjourn

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-dap-minutes.html fjh

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Present+ Cathy_Chan

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Present- Cathy

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Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux

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s/it is Ilya//

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s/process change, ReSpec/regarding process change, ReSpec/

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-dap-minutes.html fjh

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Regrets+ Giri_Mandyam

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/21-dap-minutes.html fjh

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