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14:56:22 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:56:22 Date: 19 August 2014
14:56:23 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:56:48 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Aug/0013.html
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15:00:51 +[Microsoft]
15:00:57 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:00:57 +paulc; got it
15:01:06 zakim, who is here?
15:01:06 On the phone I see paulc
15:01:07 On IRC I see BobLund, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, glenn, trackbot
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15:04:02 zakim, who is here?
15:04:02 On the phone I see paulc, glenn, jdsmith, Aaron_Colwell, +1.408.536.aaaa
15:04:02 Zakim, aaaa is me
15:04:04 On IRC I see jamil, markw, pladd, joesteele, ddorwin, acolwell, jdsmith, BobLund, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, glenn, trackbot
15:04:04 +joesteele; got it
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15:05:22 Chair: paulc
15:05:27 Scribe: joesteele
15:05:36 +ReimundoGarcia
15:05:43 +[Microsoft]
15:05:52 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:05:52 +adrianba; got it
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15:06:11 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Aug/0013.html
15:06:18 rrsagent, make the minutes
15:06:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/19-html-media-minutes.html paulc_
15:06:25 zakim, who is here?
15:06:25 On the phone I see paulc, glenn, jdsmith, Aaron_Colwell, joesteele, markw, davide, ddorwin, ReimundoGarcia, adrianba
15:06:27 On IRC I see paulc_, adrianba, davide, jamil, markw, pladd, joesteele, ddorwin, acolwell, jdsmith, BobLund, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, glenn, trackbot
15:06:58 Topic: MSE Status and Bugs
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15:07:13 zakim, aacc is me
15:07:13 +BobLund; got it
15:07:15 Topic: Review ACTION items
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15:07:25 ACTION-59?
15:07:25 ACTION-59 -- Paul Cotton to Coordinate with web apps on the streams api, give them mse requirements and timeline -- due 2013-12-17 -- OPEN
15:07:25 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/59
15:07:49 paulc: dug up this old action because we have a dependency
15:07:51 See best status: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2014JulSep/0305.html
15:07:53 +pal
15:07:59 ... sent the other chairs a note and got this back
15:08:13 ... just asking the editors what their plan of action is
15:08:28 ... if no response from Art or Charles then will followup in next week
15:08:44 Topic: MSE Test Suite Status
15:09:13 paulc: 2 items -- set of 7 pull requests, important ones are the open ones
15:09:14 Open pull requests: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+label%3Amedia-source+is%3Apr
15:09:45 ... in particular last time we discussed was end of June, original pull request for blink media source test was still outstanding
15:09:56 Aaron's original pull request is not closed: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/725
15:09:57 s/media source/MediaSource/
15:10:04 paulc: still not closed
15:10:15 ... did not get many volunteers for this
15:10:40 ... sent MarkW a note about this, he had promised to find someont to look at this
15:10:43 See Paul's request to Mark: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Aug/0017.html
15:10:52 markw: I did that, but no results as yet
15:10:58 ... folks were on vacation last time
15:11:25 paulc: we have a fair number of open pull requests many from Shishimaru
15:11:33 ... we need to make progress
15:11:46 s/promised to find someone/promised to try to find someone/
15:12:04 ... one on getting us out of CR, and one on test suites and one on test results
15:12:06 s/promised to find someont/promised to try to find someone/
15:12:16 ... no progress on getting these resolved
15:12:24 ... can stay in CR forever if not addressed
15:12:30 ... what are the next steps here?
15:12:35 q+
15:12:44 ... would like a company to step forward to promise to make progress on this
15:12:46 ack acol
15:12:59 acolwell: believe I have made all the changes needed for my initial import
15:13:15 ... remaining are comments that UI suggests I don't close because they were raised by others
15:13:22 ... needs more comments from folks who raised them
15:13:34 ... believe I have resolved the issues despite what the UI says
15:13:47 paulc: Jerry or Adrian -- can you unblock this?
15:13:56 acolwell: I can close, but it warns me not to
15:14:06 jdsmith: I will circle back with Chris on that
15:14:19 paulc: please send us an email on that so we have a record
15:14:26 jdsmith: ok
15:14:40 paulc: what about volunteers for other pull requests?
15:14:57 acolwell: others look like they may be dups -- is that OK?
15:15:25 paulc: maybe make comments to that effect -- otherwise folks might submit additional tests that are duos
15:15:29 s/dous/dups/
15:15:36 s/duos/dups/
15:15:46 acolwell: ok
15:16:06 paulc: is there anyone who can volunteer themselves or someone else?
15:16:13 q+
15:16:15 acolwell: I can look at the posted stuff
15:16:21 ack adrian
15:16:55 adrianba: I think we are running into a common situation, which is that folks on the call are concerned with the spec, and folks who do testing are not here
15:17:11 ... maybe we need to ask the testing folks for this? Testing Task Force?
15:17:32 paulc: they have been MIA for this Task Force -- wiki is dormant and they have not been attending WG meetings
15:17:44 q+
15:17:53 ... I think you are suggesting we are asking the wrong audience?
15:18:11 adrianba: Testing interest group might be the right group
15:18:25 paulc: would have thought this would be the right group -- we have the vested interest
15:18:48 +q
15:19:04 ... I am really asking the member companies how we will get through this
15:19:29 acolwell: agree with the point about this task force, but I disagree that folks in the testing task force are just interested in testing
15:19:38 paulc: here is the link
15:19:49 Testing IG: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-test-infra/
15:20:04 joesteele: s/acolwell/adrianb/ on that previous comment
15:20:17 paulc: sending to this list might be one tack we can take
15:20:17 ack acol
15:20:45 -ddorwin
15:20:54 ack joe
15:21:29 joesteele: will poke around and see if I can find someone
15:21:38 markw: I will try again as well
15:22:23 paulc: will try to close Aarons original request, Aaron will close additional duos if possible, I will send email for guidance from other editors, Joe and Mark will look for additional resources
15:22:37 s/duos/dups/
15:22:44 Topic: EME status and bugs
15:23:42 s/acolwell: agree with /adrianba: agree with/
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15:24:04 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/19-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:24:09 Zakim, who is here?
15:24:09 On the phone I see paulc, glenn, jdsmith, Aaron_Colwell, joesteele, markw, davide, ReimundoGarcia, adrianba, BobLund, pal, +1.425.605.aadd
15:24:11 On IRC I see pal, paulc_, adrianba, davide, jamil, markw, pladd, joesteele, ddorwin, acolwell, jdsmith, BobLund, Zakim, RRSAgent, glenn, trackbot
15:24:47 zakim, aadd is me
15:24:47 +ddorwin; got it
15:25:05 Topic: Bug 26575 - Separate creation of the MediaKeySession from "message" event generation
15:25:11 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26575
15:25:47 paulc: some very specific changes in here
15:26:21 ... is this related to the persistence discussion?
15:26:28 ddorwin: not related to that
15:26:37 paulc: anyone else reviewed yet?
15:26:42 not me
15:26:56 jdsmith: I would like to loook at the problem more
15:27:06 paulc: will put on the agenda for next week
15:27:10 s/loook/look/
15:27:27 jdsmith: changes seems reasonable, but want to look at the underlying issue
15:27:34 Topic: Bug 26600 - Text is confused between persistent session vs persistent licenses
15:27:40 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26600
15:28:15 paulc: Mark you want to talk about this?
15:28:53 markw: trying to make a proposal everyone could agree to, but this is not likely to be controversial
15:28:58 ... can work this out in the bug
15:29:18 paulc: can close in the next week or at least come closer
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15:29:52 ddorwin: agree that text is not exactly clear, was trying to fix existing text which is totally broken
15:30:06 ... problem with persistent license in temporary session
15:30:19 Topic: EME bugs with a proposal
15:30:20 Topic: Bug 25268 - Reduce the burden on applications to deduplicate initData from many needkey events
15:30:28 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25268#c7
15:30:36 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25268#c7 contains Glenn's proposal
15:30:38 paulc: last week we thought we could resolve with no change
15:30:58 q+
15:31:00 paulc: can we close?
15:31:31 ddorwin: he thought we could move on, didn't see him say we could close this. WORKSFORME might not be right at this point
15:31:44 i agree with david
15:32:23 paulc: you are right -- he said delay for later version
15:32:29 Last meeting discussion: http://www.w3.org/2014/08/12-html-media-minutes.html#item09
15:32:46 ... will just move this to the bottom of the queue
15:32:56 Topic: Bug 24771 - Provide guidance on object and CDM lifetime (including when events are guaranteed to be fired)
15:33:05 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24771
15:33:49 paulc: David you said you will make the change after the re-org
15:33:52 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24771#c4
15:33:58 ... just make sure folks are aware this is coming
15:34:19 ... you were going to start the re-org right after the heartbeat
15:34:35 ddorwin: would like to deal with the createSession/loadSession bug
15:34:58 paulc: probably 25% of outstanding bugs are in that group
15:35:04 .. record as dependent
15:35:13 s/.. record/... record/
15:35:25 Topic: EME bugs awaiting input from Task Force or actions
15:35:35 Topic: Bug 26372 - Revisit the need for EME-specific DOMException names and the "error" attribute and event
15:35:42 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26372
15:35:55 q+
15:36:07 paulc: this is the one about the diagnostic error code, last week Jerry was going to open a new bug
15:36:29 ack dd
15:36:41 ddorwin: this is not directly releated to the system code bug, have since renamed this bug
15:37:00 ... we have Promises and those deal with that type of errors, some issues we don't have ways to report yet
15:37:09 s/releated/related/
15:37:26 ddorwin: seems like there are a few issues, maybe we don't need generic solution
15:37:36 The new summary is "Report issues/events not related to a specific method call"
15:37:47 jdsmith: commenting on the system code bug, have not prioritized this yet as working on loadSession issues.
15:37:57 ... think the DOMException bug this was tied to is already resolved
15:38:17 paulc: David, what will happen to bug 26372? most recent change of the summary
15:38:29 ... you are saying we don't have a proposal for this
15:38:29 -pal
15:38:33 ddorwin: yes
15:38:39 New summary is "Report issues/events not related to a specific method call"
15:39:33 paulc: you made a change to the doc last week to remove the error related stuff
15:39:38 ... then you changed this bug
15:39:55 ... who is on point to make a proposal to report issues not related to a specific message call?
15:40:04 ... want to know who to go to
15:40:33 glenn: the reporter is the default assignee right?
15:41:00 paulc: David has lot on his plate -- can we get someone else in parallel to Jerrys work?
15:41:11 ... not hearing volunteers, going to move on
15:41:17 jdsmith: I will take this bug
15:41:32 Topic: [Bug 26332] Applications should only use EME APIs on secure origins (e.g. HTTPS)
15:41:38 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26332
15:41:49 paulc: seem to have folks strongly on both sides
15:42:15 ... not sure how we will get consensus on this item -- just want to bring it up again
15:42:25 ... this is a "polarizing" issue
15:42:47 Topic: [Bug 26401] Key message destinationURL usage is not reflected in examples
15:42:53 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26401
15:43:06 paulc: Joe offered to update this bug
15:43:20 ... traffic back and forth between David and Joe
15:43:27 q+
15:44:01 ack joe
15:44:06 See start of dialogue at https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26401#c2
15:44:17 Joe: Discussion brought out at least two issues
15:44:26 ... message versus needKey
15:44:55 ... Joe had an opinion that David's response has clarified and there might be a needed change
15:45:04 -ddorwin
15:45:24 ... In last set of comments, David was indicating that he did not think the URL should come from the InitData
15:45:29 i was dropped
15:45:36 +ddorwin
15:46:33 ... Joe wants discussion about whether PSHH boxes should not contain URLs or if they do they should not be used by CDM
15:46:44 s/PSHH/PSSH/
15:47:18 ... Original design of PSSH boxes was if the information is in the boxes then the CDM should be able to use it
15:47:51 PSSH boxes can contain URLs, but EME implementations may not expose them as discussed in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25920
15:47:52 ... Side issue about where else the URL could come from
15:47:55 q+
15:48:08 ack jd
15:48:32 jdsmith: is is historically common for the PSSH to contain the URL and to use it -- we think it should be there and should be used as well
15:49:08 ddorwin: essentially "used" and "exposed" mean the same thing here
15:49:26 s/is is/it is/
15:49:34 Also, PSSH boxes are a problem for interoperability. We should not encourage more data in PSSH boxes.
15:50:00 paulc: should we continue in the bug? Jerry can you add that to the bug?
15:50:19 ddorwin: should we close the other as a dup?
15:50:32 -ddorwin
15:50:34 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25920 was RESOLVED FIXED
15:51:03 Joe wants to extract URL(s) from PSSH data. That is what https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25920 was about
15:51:15 jdsmith: that bug was specifically about default URL is did not cover the initData containing a URL
15:51:28 i'm disconnected again
15:51:55 jdsmith: we had a discussion that said the CDM could provide the destinationURL -- that includes any source the CDM wishes to use
15:52:00 paulc: so this is not a dup?
15:52:07 jdsmith: this is a revious issue
15:52:10 +ddorwin
15:52:16