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15:07:59 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:07:59 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman; I see WAI_CogTF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 53 minutes
15:08:18 <Lisa_Seeman> chair: Lisa_Seeman
15:10:24 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:10:26 <Lisa_Seeman> 
15:10:27 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ Scope issue - do we include ICT or just Web
15:10:29 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ user group issues: ADD update, Tony's comments on dyslexia, do we have all user group research referenced
15:10:30 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ proposal for metrics
15:10:32 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ identifying user strategies.
15:10:33 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ methodology for updating content
15:10:35 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda+ what other technologies and approaches should we be reviewing for next draft
15:10:36 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ cognitive function table
15:10:38 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ How ill we receive comments?
15:10:39 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
15:11:21 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda + scope
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15:37:12 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets:  Joseph K O'Connor ,Tim Boland,, E.A. Draffan, Deborah Dahl,Kinshuk
15:37:41 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda?
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15:47:38 <Lisa_Seeman> 	regrets: Joseph K O'Connor ,Tim Boland,, E.A. Draffan, Deborah Dahl,Kinshuk,Katie Haritos-Shea
15:52:11 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
15:52:19 <Zakim> +??P26
15:52:28 <Zakim> -??P26
15:52:30 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has ended
15:52:30 <Zakim> Attendees were
15:54:18 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
15:54:25 <Zakim> +??P26
15:54:52 <Lisa_Seeman> is zakim woking?
15:54:56 <Lisa_Seeman> anyone there
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15:55:14 <slee> yep
15:56:47 <Zakim> -??P26
15:56:48 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has ended
15:56:48 <Zakim> Attendees were
15:56:56 <Zakim> WAI_CogTF()12:00PM has now started
15:57:03 <Zakim> +??P32
15:57:29 <janina> zakim, ??P32 is me
15:57:29 <Zakim> +janina; got it
15:57:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:58:22 <Zakim> +??P27
15:58:28 <JohnRochford> Hi all. I'm having technical difficulties with my phone. I'm trying to fix now and join the call.
15:58:44 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:58:45 <slee> ??P27 is slee
15:59:03 <Zakim> +??P7
15:59:18 <slee> zakim,??P27 is slee
15:59:18 <Zakim> +slee; got it
15:59:18 <janina> We hear you
15:59:19 <Zakim> -??P7
15:59:26 <janina> But, you don't hear us, right?
15:59:26 <slee> yes
15:59:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:00:50 <Zakim> +??P11
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16:01:53 <Zakim> + +44.203.618.aaaa
16:02:00 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim,??P7 is me
16:02:00 <Zakim> I already had ??P7 as [IPcaller], Lisa_Seeman
16:02:20 <neilmilliken> zakim aaaa is me
16:02:24 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim,  [IPcaller] is me
16:02:24 <Zakim> +Lisa_Seeman; got it
16:02:39 <neilmilliken> zakim, aaaa is me
16:02:39 <Zakim> +neilmilliken; got it
16:03:33 <JohnRochford> Zakim, P11 is me
16:03:33 <Zakim> sorry, JohnRochford, I do not recognize a party named 'P11'
16:03:47 <slee> Lisa_Seeman: stick it in the chat
16:03:49 <JohnRochford> Zakim, ??P11 is me
16:03:49 <Zakim> +JohnRochford; got it
16:03:50 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: slee
16:04:24 <Zakim> + +1.804.749.aabb
16:04:44 <KateDeibel> KateDeibel has joined #coga
16:04:45 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:04:45 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Scope issue - do we include ICT or just Web" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:05:23 <Tony_Doran_> Tony_Doran_ has joined #coga
16:05:52 <Zakim> + +44.289.442.aacc
16:06:24 <Elle_Waters> Elle_Waters has joined #coga
16:06:29 <slee> janina: Identified a scoping issue - W3C groups should only talk about web tech. We might be exceeding this eg telephone AT
16:07:07 <Zakim> +??P5
16:07:13 <Zakim> + +1.502.632.aadd
16:07:33 <KateDeibel> zakim, ??P5 is me
16:07:33 <Zakim> +KateDeibel; got it
16:07:35 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
16:07:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, slee, Lisa_Seeman, JohnRochford, neilmilliken, +1.804.749.aabb, +44.289.442.aacc, KateDeibel, +1.502.632.aadd
16:07:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Elle_Waters, Tony_Doran_, KateDeibel, neilmilliken, JohnRochford, slee, Lisa_Seeman, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
16:07:51 <Elle_Waters> Elle = 502 area code (on mute)
16:07:54 <Zakim> +??P8
16:08:25 <neilmilliken> zakim, aabb is debraruh
16:08:25 <Zakim> +debraruh; got it
16:08:43 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:08:56 <Tony_Doran__> Tony_Doran__ has joined #coga
16:09:33 <slee> but telephony is now so often included with web UI (eg Web RTC) that it is scope
16:10:26 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, who's here?
16:10:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see janina, slee, Lisa_Seeman, JohnRochford, neilmilliken, debraruh, +44.289.442.aacc, KateDeibel, +1.502.632.aadd, Michael_Cooper (muted)
16:10:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tony_Doran__, Elle_Waters, Tony_Doran_, KateDeibel, neilmilliken, JohnRochford, slee, Lisa_Seeman, RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, MichaelC, trackbot
16:11:00 <Elle_Waters> 502 = Elle Waters (on mute)
16:11:40 <neilmilliken> q+
16:11:43 <slee> q+
16:11:58 <JohnRochford> Zakim, aadd is Elle_Waters
16:11:58 <Zakim> +Elle_Waters; got it
16:12:08 <JohnRochford> See Elle?
16:12:18 <Tony_Doran__> Apologies - connection dropping so am on with multiple aliases :(
16:12:24 <Lisa_Seeman> ack lisa
16:12:52 <Lisa_Seeman> IE: look at wcag4ICT
16:13:08 <Zakim> - +44.289.442.aacc
16:13:12 <MichaelC> ack me
16:13:19 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2ict/
16:13:44 <Zakim> +??P4
16:14:01 <Tony_Doran__> Sorry me again, VOIP dropped.
16:14:38 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, ??P4 is Tony_Doran
16:14:38 <Zakim> +Tony_Doran; got it
16:15:19 <slee> janina: wcag4ICT was a special case as requested by EU and ? to broaden scope
16:15:52 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:16:00 <neilmilliken> q-
16:16:36 <slee> MichaelC: says we need to be very careful as WCAG4ACIT is an informative document.
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16:18:14 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:18:30 <Lisa_Seeman> ack neil
16:18:44 <Lisa_Seeman> ack s
16:18:47 <neilmilliken> agree with Debra
16:19:47 <slee> debraruh: we should be representative but careful.
16:19:50 <slee> q-
16:19:51 <JohnRochford> agree with Debra
16:20:05 <Lisa_Seeman> RESOLVED: change scope to web
16:20:22 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:20:22 <Zakim> agendum 2. "user group issues: ADD update, Tony's comments on dyslexia, do we have all user group research referenced" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:20:31 <slee> Lisa_Seeman: RESOLVED: change scope to web
16:22:24 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/
16:23:12 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa to ping ADD group  and introduce niel
16:23:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-33 - Ping add group  and introduce niel [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-08-25].
16:23:13 <slee> neilmilliken: TO be added to the ADD group. requests introduction
16:24:52 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa to ping aging group  to check all research is mentioned
16:24:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Ping aging group  to check all research is mentioned [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-08-25].
16:25:43 <slee> JohnRochford: Ageing group is not aware of outstanding research from ageing group
16:26:34 <JohnRochford> Correction: Autism group is not aware of outstanding research
16:26:50 <slee> JohnRochford:  - oops thanks
16:27:09 <slee> JohnRochford: Correction! Is not aware of outstanding research from autism group
16:29:24 <Tony_Doran__> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Dyslexia
16:30:03 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Dyslexia
16:31:05 <KateDeibel> This section? http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Dyslexia#How_They_Use_The_Web_and_ICT.
16:31:27 <slee> Tony_Doran__: Some products listed in cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Gap_Analysis/Dyslexia have more general use for other coga11y groups
16:32:27 <KateDeibel> +q
16:32:32 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:32:41 <Lisa_Seeman> ack kate
16:34:33 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:34:33 <Zakim> agendum 3. "proposal for metrics" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:35:23 <MichaelC> ack me
16:35:52 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda?
16:36:08 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, agenda item 5
16:36:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda item 5', Lisa_Seeman
16:38:04 <slee> MichaelC: Requests change markup for update as wiki is too hard to manage for entire document
16:38:47 <Lisa_Seeman> TOPIC, agenda item 5
16:39:59 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:41:37 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:42:41 <slee> MichaelC: The document is now managed under w3c GitHub processes so its really hard to include changes made to the wiki
16:43:34 <slee> Slee: Thinks we should now move to the W3C process id possible but may be unfamiliar to some
16:43:50 <Lisa_Seeman> RESOLVED: new content sections get done on t he wiki, changes to ported content will be in the github version
16:44:06 <slee> Lisa_Seeman: lets use wiki only for new sections and existing will go via github process
16:44:14 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa to add warnings to wiki if a section has been ported
16:44:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Add warnings to wiki if a section has been ported [on Lisa Seeman - due 2014-08-25].
16:44:39 <Lisa_Seeman> action: michael to set day for github training
16:44:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Set day for github training [on Michael Cooper - due 2014-08-25].
16:46:09 <KateDeibel> I'm very used to editing dyslexic text... and want to learn github
16:46:31 <JohnRochford> I too volunteer.
16:46:36 <Zakim> -Elle_Waters
16:46:50 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:46:50 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Lisa_Seeman
16:46:59 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:47:02 <Lisa_Seeman> ack l
16:47:06 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:47:06 <Zakim> agendum 4. "identifying user strategies." taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:47:15 <Elle_Waters> Regrets, all, needed to drop off early (phone line disconnected due to signal issues!)
16:47:54 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0027.html
16:50:34 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
16:50:39 <KateDeibel> q+
16:52:33 <janina> Perhaps "the accessibility-inaccessibility continum" ?
16:52:42 <Tony_Doran__> Yes yes yes, Accessible != usable
16:52:51 <neilmilliken> elle and i are trying to map the cross over between accessible and usable
16:53:07 <slee> KateDeibel: Is worried about avoiding "good technical accessibility but poor usability" issues
16:53:16 <neilmilliken> if it's not usable it's not accessible but there degrees of usability
16:53:19 <Lisa_Seeman> q+
16:53:28 <Lisa_Seeman> ack k
16:53:40 <slee> neilmilliken: is trying with Elle to map the cross over between accessible and usable
16:54:00 <Lisa_Seeman> ack lisa
16:59:21 <janina> Need to go to the ARIA call now, sorry!
16:59:25 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/0027.html
16:59:30 <Zakim> -janina
16:59:37 <Zakim> -JohnRochford
16:59:52 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:00:05 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:00:35 <Lisa_Seeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2014Aug/att-0029/cognativefunctiontable.html
17:01:33 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:02:20 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
17:02:22 <Zakim> -KateDeibel
17:02:28 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:02:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
17:02:42 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
17:02:42 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were janina, slee, +44.203.618.aaaa, Lisa_Seeman, neilmilliken, JohnRochford, +1.804.749.aabb, +44.289.442.aacc, +1.502.632.aadd,
17:02:42 <Zakim> Zakim has left #coga
17:02:45 <Zakim> ... KateDeibel, Michael_Cooper, debraruh, Elle_Waters, Tony_Doran, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:02:49 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
17:02:49 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-coga-actions.rdf :
17:02:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa to ping ADD group  and introduce niel [1]
17:02:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-coga-irc#T16-23-12
17:02:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa to ping aging group  to check all research is mentioned [2]
17:02:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-coga-irc#T16-24-52
17:02:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa to add warnings to wiki if a section has been ported [3]
17:02:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-coga-irc#T16-44-14
17:02:49 <RRSAgent> ACTION: michael to set day for github training [4]
17:02:49 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-coga-irc#T16-44-39
17:03:02 <Lisa_Seeman> http://www.w3.org/2014/08/18-coga-minutes.html