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16:00:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
16:00:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see RWC_Audio()12:00PM scheduled to start now
16:00:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:00:25 <trackbot> Date: 07 August 2014
16:00:51 <olivier> Agenda+ review of action items
16:01:01 <olivier> Agenda+ ScriptProcessorNode is Workers - continued
16:01:04 <olivier> Agenda+ AOB
16:01:46 <cwilso> Running late, there in five.
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16:03:52 <rtoyg_> Good morning!
16:05:14 <joe> joe has joined #audio
16:06:41 <olivier> zakim, who is here?
16:06:41 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has not yet started, olivier
16:06:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see joe, rtoyg_, Zakim, RRSAgent, padenot, kawai, colinbdclark, rtoyg, shepazu, paul___irish, Domenic, mdjp, olivier, slightlyoff, cwilso, trackbot
16:07:37 <cwilso> zakim, this is audio
16:07:37 <Zakim> ok, cwilso; that matches RWC_Audio()12:00PM
16:07:44 <cwilso> zakim, who is on the phone
16:07:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', cwilso
16:07:46 <cwilso> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:07:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], +1.978.314.aaaa, +1.650.253.aabb, [IPcaller.a], +44.303.040.aacc
16:07:55 <olivier> zakim, aacc is me
16:07:55 <Zakim> +olivier; got it
16:07:58 <cwilso> zakim, .650. is me
16:07:59 <Zakim> sorry, cwilso, I do not recognize a party named '.650.'
16:08:04 <cwilso> zakim, aabb is me
16:08:04 <Zakim> +cwilso; got it
16:08:11 <cwilso> zakim, aabb has rtoyg
16:08:11 <Zakim> sorry, cwilso, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
16:08:18 <cwilso> zakim, cwilso has rtoyg
16:08:18 <Zakim> +rtoyg; got it
16:08:20 <olivier> agenda?
16:08:39 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:08:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review of action items" taken up [from olivier]
16:08:54 <olivier> Reviewing https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/agenda
16:08:57 <kawai> zakim, [IPcaller.a] is me
16:08:57 <Zakim> +kawai; got it
16:09:25 <olivier> action-87 ongoing
16:09:30 <olivier> action-102
16:09:30 <trackbot> action-102 -- Joe Berkovitz to Make sure we have an issue tracked for the mapping of dom time and audiocontext time -- due 2014-06-12 -- OPEN
16:09:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/102
16:09:50 <olivier> joe: issue 340
16:09:57 <Zakim> +Doug_Schepers
16:10:03 <joe> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/340
16:10:10 <olivier> action-102 CLOSED
16:10:10 <trackbot> Closed action-102.
16:10:36 <olivier> action-104
16:10:36 <trackbot> action-104 -- Paul Adenot to Extract formulas from cookbook -- due 2014-07-24 -- OPEN
16:10:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/104
16:10:41 <olivier> action-105
16:10:41 <trackbot> action-105 -- Doug Schepers to Mark up formulas for biquadfilter in mathml (get help from mathjax?) -- due 2014-07-24 -- OPEN
16:10:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/105
16:11:29 <olivier> zakim, who is making noise?
16:11:40 <Zakim> olivier, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: olivier (4%), Doug_Schepers (73%), cwilso (54%)
16:11:47 <olivier> zakim, mute cwilso
16:11:47 <Zakim> cwilso should now be muted
16:12:09 <olivier> shepazu: think we can publish as is now
16:12:20 <olivier> ... and integrate the formulae as is
16:12:32 <olivier> padenot: can start a branch we can all look at
16:12:53 <olivier> shepazu: we can talk to RBJ if there is any question
16:13:32 <olivier> ACTION-105: publish the document as is, with W3C template
16:13:32 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-105 Mark up formulas for biquadfilter in mathml (get help from mathjax?).
16:13:49 <olivier> ACTION-104: integrate the formulas from cookbook into a separate branch for review
16:13:49 <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-104 Extract formulas from cookbook.
16:13:59 <olivier> action-104 due in 2 weeks
16:14:00 <trackbot> Set action-104 Extract formulas from cookbook due date to 2014-08-21.
16:14:03 <olivier> action-105 due in 2 weeks
16:14:03 <trackbot> Set action-105 Mark up formulas for biquadfilter in mathml (get help from mathjax?) due date to 2014-08-21.
16:14:16 <olivier> action-106
16:14:16 <trackbot> action-106 -- Chris Wilson to Document synchronous option in github issue 113 -- due 2014-07-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:14:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/106
16:14:28 <cwilso> unmute cwilso
16:14:41 <olivier> zakim, unmute cwilso
16:14:41 <Zakim> cwilso should no longer be muted
16:15:04 <cwilso> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/113#issuecomment-51493744
16:15:29 <olivier> action-106 closed
16:15:30 <trackbot> Closed action-106.
16:16:10 <olivier> action-107 pending
16:16:17 <olivier> action-107 due in 2 weeks
16:16:17 <trackbot> Set action-107 Organise cfc on breaking change for the main thread scriptprocessornode due date to 2014-08-21.
16:16:22 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 1
16:16:22 <Zakim> agendum 1, review of action items, closed
16:16:23 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:16:23 <Zakim> 2. ScriptProcessorNode is Workers - continued [from olivier]
16:16:29 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:16:29 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ScriptProcessorNode is Workers - continued" taken up [from olivier]
16:16:34 <olivier> s/is/in
16:17:14 <olivier> cwilso: at last call we discussed options
16:17:31 <olivier> ... rough consensus was that we should examine possibility of removing main thread spn
16:17:46 <olivier> ... seemed to be general agreement to consider it as synchronous callback
16:18:07 <olivier> ... discussed with TAG friends Domenic and Alex
16:18:24 <olivier> ... at this point just needs to be written up into the spec
16:19:21 <olivier> olivier: best to have a draft to build a CfC on
16:19:33 <olivier> cwilso: can use an editor's (sub)draft
16:19:46 <olivier> ... we need to discuss pulling the old spn
16:19:52 <joe> q+
16:20:16 <olivier> cwilso: we will get some flak though if we remove it at this point
16:20:23 <olivier> ack joe
16:20:42 <olivier> joe: has the alternative - introducing a new node with a new name been considered?
16:20:54 <cwilso> s/will get some flak/have gotten some flak for other removals, we should expect some for SPN
16:21:01 <olivier> ... code that assumes old behaviour will be problematic
16:21:11 <olivier> cwilso: could also change how the node is created
16:21:26 <olivier> ... question is how long do we want developers to continue using the old node/behaviour
16:22:21 <olivier> joe: current design unworkable by developers
16:22:34 <olivier> ... trying to cut up the problem
16:22:49 <olivier> ... agree to retiring the old behaviour asap
16:23:09 <olivier> ... for a while we had warning in console
16:23:26 <olivier> ... would like a solution that doesn't block introduction of new behaviour
16:24:55 <olivier> olivier: how many (high profile) of it? should be different to noteon/noteoff
16:25:01 <olivier> padenot: seen it quite a lot
16:26:53 <olivier> olivier: seems like new name/constructor and deprecation warning better?
16:27:43 <cwilso> q+
16:27:45 <olivier> joe: note that this is different from previous name changes - this is semantic/behaviour change
16:27:51 <olivier> ack cwilso
16:28:11 <olivier> cwilso: excellent point. closest comparison is createaudiobuffer
16:30:58 <olivier> olivier: if we create a new node, and organise a slow deprecation of the old one
16:31:03 <olivier> ... should help?
16:31:48 <olivier> cwilso: am concerned about how deliberately and forcefully we organise that deprecation
16:32:30 <olivier> ... don't want to ship a v1 spec that has it
16:32:36 <olivier> ... deprecation is a dangerous thing
16:32:46 <olivier> ... as is creates a precedent of "supporting it"
16:33:30 <olivier> ... we need to organise it well, decide on shutting it off at same time in implementations
16:35:27 <olivier> cwilso: the longer we let it sit, the more likely we will have to leave it forever
16:36:57 <olivier> olivier: suggest draft removes old way entirely and we can have CFC about that + commitment to remove from implementations ASAP
16:37:31 <cwilso> action: cwilso to remove old scriptprocessornode and implement new one, issue draft.
16:37:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-108 - Remove old scriptprocessornode and implement new one, issue draft. [on Chris Wilson - due 2014-08-14].
16:38:20 <olivier> joe: suggest sample code too
16:38:23 <olivier> cwilso: good idea
16:38:42 <joe> must drop off call now; regrets
16:38:48 <olivier> ACTION: add communication/education on new SPN to the agenda of our next telcon
16:38:48 <trackbot> Error finding 'add'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/users>.
16:38:49 <Zakim> - +1.978.314.aaaa
16:39:02 <olivier> ACTION: olivier to add communication/education on new SPN to the agenda of our next telcon
16:39:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-109 - Add communication/education on new spn to the agenda of our next telcon [on Olivier Thereaux - due 2014-08-14].
16:39:13 <olivier> zakim, close agendum 2
16:39:13 <Zakim> agendum 2, ScriptProcessorNode is Workers - continued, closed
16:39:14 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
16:39:14 <Zakim> 3. AOB [from olivier]
16:39:52 <olivier> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:39:52 <Zakim> agendum 3. "AOB" taken up [from olivier]
16:41:15 <olivier> Tentative date for next meeting: August 28th
16:42:35 <olivier> ADJOURNED
16:42:42 <Zakim> -olivier
16:42:43 <Zakim> -kawai
16:42:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
16:42:45 <Zakim> -cwilso
16:42:45 <Zakim> RWC_Audio()12:00PM has ended
16:42:45 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], +1.978.314.aaaa, +1.650.253.aabb, +44.303.040.aacc, olivier, rtoyg, kawai, Doug_Schepers
16:42:47 <olivier> rrsagent, make minutes
16:42:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/07-audio-minutes.html olivier
16:43:03 <olivier> rrsagent, make logs world
16:43:05 <olivier> rrsagent, make minutes
16:43:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/07-audio-minutes.html olivier
16:43:16 <olivier> chair: olivier
16:43:22 <olivier> rrsagent, make minutes
16:43:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/08/07-audio-minutes.html olivier
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