IRC log of pointerevents on 2014-08-05

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+[Microsoft]

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+Doug_Schepers

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15:02:41 [jrossi]

Zakim, Microsoft is jrossi

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+jrossi; got it

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ScribeNick: ArtB

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Scribe: ArtB

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Meeting: Pointer Events WG Voice Conference

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0041.html

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Chair: ArtB

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15:03:16 [scott_gonzalez]

Is the call choppy for anyone else?

15:03:22 [jrossi]

me too

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15:03:26 [Asir]

Choppy - yes

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Present: Art_Barstow, Jacob_Rossi, Asir_Vedamuthu, Matt_Brubeck, Doug_Schepers, Scott_González

15:03:49 [Asir]

Better now

15:04:00 [smaug_]

skype issues here

15:04:00 [ArtB]

Regrets: Patrick_Lauke, Rick_Byers

15:04:07 [scott_gonzalez]

Zakim, who is making noise?

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Topic: Tweak agenda

15:04:18 [Zakim]

scott_gonzalez, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Asir (43%), ArtB (51%)

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AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0041.html

15:04:35 [scott_gonzalez]

Asir, I think you might need to mute.

15:04:39 [ArtB]

… any change requests?

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[ None ]

15:04:58 [Asir]

Very choppy

15:05:14 [Zakim]

+[IPcaller]

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-ArtB

15:05:16 [smaug_]

that is me

15:05:30 [smaug_]

Zakim, [IPcaller] is Olli_Pettay

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+Olli_Pettay; got it

15:05:35 [smaug_]

Zakim, nick smaug is Olli_Pettay

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ok, smaug_, I now associate smaug with Olli_Pettay

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+Art_Barstow

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Topic: Open Pull Requests

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AB: we have 3 PRs that are open so I would like to understand the status and plans to complete (merge) them

15:06:28 [ArtB]

AB: PR-1119;  9.1.1 pen restriction and 14.1 update according to spec; https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1119

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AB: PR-1121; SVG touch-action tests; https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1121

15:06:47 [ArtB]

AB: PR-1124; Updates and new tests for TAs 2.4.1, 3.6, 3.6.1, 4.3, 4.3.1;  https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1124

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AB: any status on 1119?

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… we need review?

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JR: yes

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AB: who can commit to reviewing 1119?

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MB: I'll do it today

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AV: very simple

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ACTION: Matt review PR 1119 and Merge if it is OK

15:08:20 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-115 - Review pr 1119 and merge if it is ok [on Matt Brubeck - due 2014-08-12].

15:08:40 [ArtB]

AB: what about 1121?

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MB: this is also waiting for review

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JR: it's a new test

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… tests touch-action with SVG elements

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… slightly diff than other touch-action tests

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… uses a button that can be tapped

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… otherwise pretty straight forward

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AB: any volunteers?

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… Doug, you're Mr. SVG

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DS: oh, right

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ACTION: doug review PR 1121

15:10:31 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-116 - Review pr 1121 [on Doug Schepers - due 2014-08-12].

15:11:05 [ArtB]

AV: if Doug is ok with the test, may he merge it?

15:11:14 [ArtB]

AB: yes, I think that is appropriate

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AB: so what about 1124?

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MB: Sangwhan reviewed it and submitted comments

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… he is discussing with Cathy

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JR: I need to catch up on the related email between Cathy and Sangwhan

15:12:29 [mbrubeck]

Discussion at https://critic.hoppipolla.co.uk/r/2175 and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2014JulSep/0044.html

15:12:52 [ArtB]

AB: ok, then let's wait for the discussion to continue

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JR: looks like Artem will need to make a few changes

15:13:07 [ArtB]

AB: ok, thanks all

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Topic: Test assertion data

15:13:26 [ArtB]

AB: TA wiki has a couple of entries that I'd some clarification https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions

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AB: PR-1112 entries: why are the related assertions for this merged PR marked Yellow? https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1112

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AB: PR-1113 entries: why are the related assertions for this merged PR marked Yellow? https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/1113

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SG: the wiki hadn't been updated yet

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AV: I use yellow when something is not yet approved and merged

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… if there is no test case, I used Red

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AB: ok, let me take a look at 1112 and 1113

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… I now see those entries are Green

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AV: All - after you review and merge, please mark the TAs as Greeen

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… this TA table should be in Github

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… that would help keep them in sync

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JR: probably too late for this spec

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AB: that's an excellent idea

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Topic: Assertions needing test cases

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AB: we have some assertions that need test case and that means we need some volunteer(s)

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AB: 5.3 ("Microsoft will submit"); https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_pointermove_events

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... 11.3; https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_lostpointercapture_events

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... 13.4; https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_setPointerCapture

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... 15.{11,18,19,20} ("Microsoft will submit") https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property

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AV: yes, a PR for 5.3 is on the way

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AB: what about 11.3?

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AV: Cathy added this TA

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… we have no volunteer

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JR: yes, this was added late

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AB: any volunteers for 11.3?

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JR: we need to change IE for 11.3

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ACTION: barstow make a call for a volunteer to create a test for TA 11.3

15:20:44 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-117 - Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for ta 11.3 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-08-12].

15:20:58 [ArtB]

AB: what about 13.4?

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AV: Cathy added this one late too

15:22:05 [ArtB]

… in the future, we should start with Test Cases and then create the Test Assertions

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ACTION: barstow Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for TA 13.4

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Created ACTION-118 - Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for ta 13.4 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2014-08-12].

15:23:15 [ArtB]

AB: what is the priority of have a test for 11.3 and 13.4?

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… IOW, should tests for these two TAs block CR interop testing?

15:25:09 [ArtB]

… not sure if we need to block CR testing for these two

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JR: I tend to see these as edge cases

15:25:56 [Asir]

These are edge cases

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SG: not sure about how much of an edge case it is

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JR: I don't think we implement 11.3 now but we will change

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… that said, I haven't heard of confusion for that scenario

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SG: if no one writes test case before I return online in 2 weeks, I can write the tests

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AB: thanks Scott

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AB: ... 15.{11,18,19,20} ("Microsoft will submit") https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property

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AV: yes, a PR is on the way

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AB: great, thanks

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AB: what's the status of "To-be-added: Assertions for touch-action: manipulation" https://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions#Test_Assertions_for_touch-action_CSS_property

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AV: we are submitting related tests for 15.20 so I don't know what the last TA means

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AB: who added it?

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AV: I think Cathy did

15:30:21 [ArtB]

AB: do you think your test for 15.20 will cover this?

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AV: I can say that 15.20 will cover manipulation

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JR: think we only need one real test

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… for that feature

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AB: so it sounds like Cathy should review 15.20 when it is available and let us know if there is still something related to manipulation that is needed

15:32:04 [ArtB]

… sound about right?

15:32:39 [ArtB]

ACTION: Cathy review the test for 15.20 when it is available and let us know if it covers the high priority manipulation scenarios

15:32:39 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-119 - Review the test for 15.20 when it is available and let us know if it covers the high priority manipulation scenarios [on Cathy Chan - due 2014-08-12].

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Topic: AoB

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AB: anything else for today?

15:34:53 [ArtB]

AB: not seeing a need ATM for a call next week so a call in 2 weeks is probably the earliest

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AB: thanks everyone

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-Doug_Schepers

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… meeting adjourned

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-Scott_Gonzalez

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-Olli_Pettay

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-Art_Barstow

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-jrossi

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Regrets+ Cathy_Chan

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-Asir

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disconnecting the lone participant, Matt_Brubeck, in RWC_PEWG()11:00AM

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Attendees were +1.425.706.aaaa, Scott_Gonzalez, Matt_Brubeck, ArtB, Doug_Schepers, jrossi, Asir, Olli_Pettay, Art_Barstow

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zakim, bye

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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Matt review PR 1119 and Merge if it is OK [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-irc#T15-08-20

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ACTION: doug review PR 1121 [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-irc#T15-10-31

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ACTION: barstow make a call for a volunteer to create a test for TA 11.3 [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-irc#T15-20-44

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ACTION: barstow Make a call for a volunteer to create a test for TA 13.4 [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-irc#T15-22-41

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ACTION: Cathy review the test for 15.20 when it is available and let us know if it covers the high priority manipulation scenarios [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/08/05-pointerevents-irc#T15-32-39

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