IRC log of i18n on 2014-07-31

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13:50:04 [aphillip]: trackbot, prepare teleconference
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13:50:08 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be 4186
13:50:09 [trackbot]: Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:50:09 [trackbot]: Date: 31 July 2014
13:50:09 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
13:50:25 [aphillip]: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jul/0032.html
13:50:39 [aphillip]: Chair: Addison Phillips
13:50:44 [aphillip]: Scribe: Addison Phillips
13:50:49 [aphillip]: ScribeNick: aphillip
13:50:55 [fsasaki]: waves to addission and richard, on a different call and then have to leave - so regrets for today. no news on my action items, still keep them open please
13:51:22 [aphillip]: Regrets: felix, david
13:52:32 [aphillip]: rrsagent, draft minutes
13:52:32 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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14:01:54 [matial]: zakim, ??p5 is me
14:01:55 [Zakim]: +matial; got it
14:02:13 [r12a]: zakim, dial richard
14:02:13 [Zakim]: ok, r12a; the call is being made
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14:02:28 [Zakim]: +aphillip
14:02:35 [aphillip]: zakim, who is here?
14:02:36 [Zakim]: On the phone I see JcK, matial, Richard, aphillip
14:02:37 [Zakim]: On IRC I see koji, matial, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
14:04:18 [r12a]: zakim, drop richard
14:04:18 [Zakim]: Richard is being disconnected
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14:04:19 [Zakim]: + +1.415.231.aaaa
14:04:27 [r12a]: zakim, dial richard-home
14:04:27 [Zakim]: ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:04:29 [Zakim]: +Richard
14:04:46 [koji]: zakim, +1.415.231.aaaa is me
14:04:46 [Zakim]: +koji; got it
14:04:55 [aphillip]: zakim, who is here?
14:04:55 [Zakim]: On the phone I see JcK, matial, aphillip, koji, Richard
14:04:57 [Zakim]: On IRC I see koji, matial, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, aphillip, fsasaki, r12a, fantasai, trackbot
14:05:12 [aphillip]: Topic: Agenda
14:05:30 [aphillip]: Topic: Action Items
14:05:38 [aphillip]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:06:44 [aphillip]: action-319?
14:06:44 [trackbot]: action-319 -- Koji Ishii to Report back on korean justification when response received -- due 2014-07-17 -- OPEN
14:06:44 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/319
14:07:02 [aphillip]: koji: two issues to resolve
14:07:07 [aphillip]: ... one when language is korean
14:07:11 [aphillip]: ... one when unspecified
14:07:28 [aphillip]: ... sent proposal to style and public-cjk for former case (korean known)
14:08:04 [aphillip]: close action-319
14:08:04 [trackbot]: Closed action-319.
14:08:09 [koji]: For Korean justification, here's the proposal http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jul/0513.html
14:08:23 [aphillip]: action-323?
14:08:23 [trackbot]: action-323 -- Richard Ishida to Modify instrucitons for reviews to include the new markings -- due 2014-07-31 -- OPEN
14:08:23 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/323
14:08:26 [aphillip]: close action-323
14:08:26 [trackbot]: Closed action-323.
14:08:41 [aphillip]: close action-324
14:08:42 [trackbot]: Closed action-324.
14:08:53 [aphillip]: close action-325
14:08:53 [trackbot]: Closed action-325.
14:09:00 [aphillip]: Topic: Info Share
14:09:06 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:09:15 [aphillip]: JcK: precis met at ietf last week
14:09:20 [aphillip]: ... two outstanding issues
14:09:25 [aphillip]: ... which I own
14:09:44 [aphillip]: ... one is: notion that per-protocol profiles is dangerous
14:10:01 [aphillip]: ... other is: how does ietf community review changes to new versions of unicode
14:10:12 [aphillip]: ... since ietf and utc look at certain things differently
14:10:22 [aphillip]: ... compromise would be to ignore first issue
14:10:30 [aphillip]: ... second would get sorted inside ietf
14:10:55 [aphillip]: ... charmod differences with precis
14:10:58 [aphillip]: ... are off table
14:11:03 [aphillip]: ... unless raised
14:11:52 [aphillip]: ... write to pete resnick and ask where to say something
14:12:10 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:12:25 [koji]: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2014/14176.htm
14:12:28 [aphillip]: koji: there will be utc next week
14:12:31 [aphillip]: ... agenda above
14:12:40 [aphillip]: ... utr50 will be reviewed
14:12:50 [aphillip]: ... also a few other cjk topics
14:12:56 [aphillip]: ... bopomofo letter i
14:13:08 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:13:23 [aphillip]: richard: participating in geek week
14:13:32 [aphillip]: ... one activity is updating uniview
14:13:43 [aphillip]: ... so supports unicode 7 final release
14:13:49 [aphillip]: ... one or two enhacements
14:14:48 [r12a]: http://rishida.net/uniview/
14:15:15 [aphillip]: ... look in next day or so
14:15:20 [aphillip]: Topic: RADAR
14:15:32 [aphillip]: https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:16:25 [aphillip]: Topic: CSS Text: review items for closure
14:16:35 [aphillip]: https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/2
14:16:48 [aphillip]: https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/2 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jul/0023.html
14:18:18 [aphillip]: issue-337?
14:18:18 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/337
14:18:48 [aphillip]: JcK: did send a comment to list
14:19:05 [aphillip]: ... think they are doing wrong thing, but think it is "okay"/clear
14:20:39 [aphillip]: richard: can close, put comment on record
14:21:25 [aphillip]: assign action-315 to richard
14:21:38 [aphillip]: Topic: Encoding LC
14:22:05 [aphillip]: koji: what does "t" mean?
14:22:25 [aphillip]: richard: haven't raised or submitted, it stands for "track"
14:25:58 [aphillip]: http://www.w3.org/International/track/products/25
14:26:14 [aphillip]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jul/0028.html
14:27:02 [aphillip]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jul/0027.html
14:27:15 [aphillip]: The IANA Character Sets registry also tracks character encodings and their specifications (if any), as well as assigning labels to registered character encodings. This specification, rather than the IANA Character Sets registry, is the recommended normative reference for specifications that define Web protocols and document formats and their implementations. Implementers should be aware that other, non-Web, protocols and formats (such as, for example, ema[CUT]
14:30:42 [aphillip]: The IANA Character Sets registry also tracks character encodings and their specifications (if any), as well as assigning labels to registered character encodings. This specification, rather than the IANA Character Sets registry, is the recommended normative reference for specifications that define Web protocols and document formats and their implementations.
14:31:18 [aphillip]: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2014Jul/0018.html
14:45:00 [aphillip]: addison: conformance rather than normative?
14:45:37 [aphillip]: jck: formats/protocols for new-ish and web-ish type formats
14:45:50 [aphillip]: ... are different than that ietf-ish type stuff, so different rules
14:49:04 [aphillip]: This specification has requirements that are distinct from and incompatible with ICSR.
14:49:51 [aphillip]: jck: partly incompatible with
14:50:41 [aphillip]: richard: carrot to use this spec?
14:59:35 [aphillip]: action: addison: invite anne to next teleconference to discuss open encoding issues
14:59:35 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-326 - Invite anne to next teleconference to discuss open encoding issues [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-08-07].
14:59:50 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:00:16 [aphillip]: Topic: TimeZones in HTML
15:00:30 [aphillip]: https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/HTML5TimeZone
15:09:34 [aphillip]: richard: con for proposal A still mentions <date>
15:09:56 [aphillip]: ... proposal B says microsyntaxes rather than iso8601
15:13:10 [aphillip]: action: addison: update the time zone proposal and then file an issue against html5.next about it
15:13:10 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-327 - Update the time zone proposal and then file an issue against html5.next about it [on Addison Phillips - due 2014-08-07].
15:13:18 [aphillip]: Topic: AOB?
15:14:07 [Zakim]: -matial
15:14:11 [Zakim]: -aphillip
15:14:13 [Zakim]: -JcK
15:14:16 [Zakim]: -koji
15:14:20 [aphillip]: rrsagent, make minutes
15:14:20 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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15:16:14 [Zakim]: -Richard
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15:16:16 [Zakim]: Attendees were JcK, matial, Richard, aphillip, koji
15:41:13 [aphillip]: rrsagent, make minutes
15:41:13 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:41:44 [aphillip]: Present: Addison, Richard, JcK, Koji, Mati
15:41:48 [aphillip]: rrsagent, make minutes
15:41:48 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:41:57 [aphillip]: zakim, bye
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15:42:31 [aphillip]: rrsagent, bye
15:42:31 [RRSAgent]: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:42:31 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: addison: invite anne to next teleconference to discuss open encoding issues [1]
15:42:31 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-irc#T14-59-35
15:42:31 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: addison: update the time zone proposal and then file an issue against html5.next about it [2]
15:42:31 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/07/31-i18n-irc#T15-13-10