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15:04:23 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
15:04:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
15:04:24 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:04:24 <trackbot> Date: 29 July 2014
15:05:35 <joesteele> Chair: paulc
15:06:06 <glenn> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:06 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, glenn
15:06:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, glenn, jdsmith, joesteele, pal, markw, jernoble, trackbot
15:06:11 <joesteele> Scribe: joesteele
15:06:15 <glenn> zakim, this is 63342
15:06:15 <Zakim> ok, glenn; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
15:06:26 <glenn> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], jdsmith, joesteele, markw, glenn, [Microsoft]
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15:06:40 <joesteele> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Jul/0038.html
15:06:43 <glenn> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:06:43 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:06:47 <joesteele> Topic: Role Call
15:07:51 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Jul/0038.html
15:08:03 <joesteele> Previous Minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Jul/0017.html
15:08:20 <joesteele> Topic: Action Items Review
15:08:28 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/
15:08:42 <paulc> Beijing air quality: http://www.stateair.net/web/post/1/1.html
15:09:41 <joesteele> Topic: EME status and bugs
15:09:54 <joesteele> paulc: looks like editors draft was updated yesterday
15:10:02 <joesteele> ... bug count is still 21
15:10:17 <joesteele> ... don't see any new bugs
15:10:26 <joesteele> ... 4 bugs have been touched
15:11:31 <joesteele> Topic: EME bugs missed or skipped at last meeting
15:11:50 <joesteele> Topic: Bug 26372 - Revisit the need for EME-specific DOMException names and the "error" attribute and event
15:11:58 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26372
15:12:22 <joesteele> paulc: David asked to add this -- we missed it last time
15:12:46 <joesteele> ... have been updates since last meeting
15:13:06 <joesteele> ... should we skip since David is not here
15:13:10 <joesteele> ... ?
15:13:28 <joesteele> ... let's skip this again for now till David is here
15:13:44 <joesteele> ... pending response from David -- discussion at a futur meeting
15:13:58 <joesteele> Topic: Bug 18515 - Provide more details on behavior of the media element when the key for an encrypted block is not available
15:14:04 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515
15:14:14 <joesteele> paulc: lot's of comments from #35 on
15:14:25 <joesteele> ... Jerry had comments yesterday
15:14:35 <joesteele> ... what is still outstanding?
15:14:35 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515#c39
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15:14:56 <joesteele> jdsmith: question about race conditions, could misset the waitingFor attribute
15:15:04 <paulc> Race conditions: See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18515#c31
15:15:14 <joesteele> ... agreed to make the changes we are sure of, waiting for feedback from group for the rest
15:15:24 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.a]
15:15:28 <joesteele> paulc: so you are asking to review this change and make coments on race conditions?
15:15:30 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
15:15:30 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
15:15:31 <joesteele> ... any comments?
15:15:52 <adrianba> rrsagent, pointer?
15:15:52 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-html-media-irc#T15-15-52
15:16:12 <joesteele> Topic: Bug 25268 - Reduce the burden on applications to deduplicate initData from many needkey events
15:16:23 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25268
15:16:32 <joesteele> paulc: my agenda says see comment 6 for Davids change and more input
15:16:37 <paulc> See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=25268#c6
15:17:11 <joesteele> ... Jerry have you worked on this?
15:17:28 <joesteele> jdsmith: no, but is reset to the beginning
15:17:36 <joesteele> paulc: we need input from the group as the previous change was rolled back
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15:17:48 <joesteele> Topic: Bugs discussed at last meeting
15:17:58 <joesteele> Topic: Bug 17673 - Define Initialization Data for implementations that choose to support the ISO Base Media File Format
15:18:02 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
15:18:07 <joesteele> paulc: see Jerrys response
15:18:15 <joesteele> jdsmith: made an edit
15:18:27 <joesteele> paulc: is anything outstanding here?
15:18:28 <paulc> See https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673#c68
15:18:54 <joesteele> jdsmith: David and I were going back and forth on this, important content but non-normative, agreed to put in a notes section
15:19:04 <joesteele> ... think we could close this bug after review to confirm
15:19:18 <joesteele> paulc: so folks please object or will be resolved as fixed
15:19:32 <joesteele> Tpoic: Bug 26332 Applications should only use EME APIs on secure origins (e.g. HTTPS)
15:19:41 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26332
15:19:55 <joesteele> paulc: some discussion since last mtg
15:20:03 <joesteele> ... Jerry did you need more time to study
15:20:22 <joesteele> joesteele: Mark had feedback here
15:20:45 <joesteele> markw: regarding secure origin -- did not think this was a good idea
15:21:03 <joesteele> ... should not be controlled by the specification
15:21:21 <joesteele> paulc: Jerry you argued that insisting on this would be an issue for intra-net usage (i.e. behind a firewall)
15:21:28 <joesteele> ... classic argument
15:22:03 <joesteele> jdsmith: Ryans comment is that we can't count on the CDM to secure these exchanges, but I think we do count on the CDM to do this
15:22:28 <joesteele> ... protecting the ID should not push us to require HTTPS
15:22:44 <joesteele> paulc: have you responded to Ryan?
15:22:56 <joesteele> jdsmith: had not seen his comment, made mine late
15:23:13 <joesteele> paulc: we will continue this dialog in the bug, responses needed from Jerry and David
15:23:42 <joesteele> jdsmith: think I had no objection to recommending, but not requiring
15:23:53 <joesteele> paulc: SHOULD not MUST in RFC language
15:24:06 <joesteele> ... but server should not reject folks using HTTP
15:24:18 <joesteele> ... is that because this is an easy middle position?
15:24:37 <joesteele> jdsmith: if you have a rationale that justifies not using it that should be allowed
15:24:53 <joesteele> markw: I think we can make a general application recommendation, but not a normative requirement
15:25:07 <joesteele> ... don't recommend browsers only support HTTPS
15:25:20 <joesteele> jdsmith: that is what I intended
15:25:51 <joesteele> paulc: maybe you should add the "SHOULD" comment in the bug
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15:26:04 <joesteele> ... then Mark can make his comment
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15:27:50 <joesteele> s/Tpoic: /Topic: /
15:28:11 <joesteele> Topic: Bug 26401 Key message destinationURL usage is not reflected in examples
15:28:18 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26401
15:28:29 <joesteele> joesteele: I did not update the bug yet with proposed code
15:28:44 <paulc> See David's comment: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26401#c1
15:29:13 <joesteele> joesteele: will try to look before the next meeting
15:29:22 <joesteele> Topic: Bug 26207 - Provide a way to check system capabilities required for UHD playback
15:29:29 <joesteele> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26207
15:29:42 <joesteele> paulc: has been RESOLVED FIXED
15:30:28 <joesteele> ... no -- wrong bug #
15:30:29 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=26207#c4
15:30:39 <joesteele> ... Bob made a comment with no responses as yet
15:30:50 <joesteele> ... Jerry can you read Bob's response?
15:31:16 <joesteele> jdsmith: this is from a comment he made in the last call, I am hoping to confirm that there is a way to pre-check the license criteria
15:31:18 <joesteele> q+
15:31:36 <joesteele> ... some prototyping work needs to be done to learn more here
15:32:08 <joesteele> ... some stuff is out of scope for EME -- that is off the table
15:32:16 <joesteele> paulc: that is on the editors list
15:32:34 <paulc> ack joe
15:33:42 <joesteele> joesteele: some OP cannot be tested without actually testing playback -- is that on your list?
15:34:03 <joesteele> jdsmith: yes that is on our list, we considered testing a small piece of content. Will have more data next week
15:34:24 <joesteele> Topic: Do we need LoadSession?
15:34:36 <joesteele> paulc: Joe you provided summary of this thread yesterday
15:34:41 <joesteele> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Jul/0040.html
15:34:42 <paulc> Joe's summary: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Jul/0040.html
15:37:51 <joesteele> joesteele: new information from Mark leads to more understanding of why we have this feature
15:38:03 <joesteele> markw: we need David to have this discussion -- he was pushing for more application control
15:38:09 <jdsmith> q+
15:38:16 <paulc> ack jd
15:38:35 <joesteele> jdsmith: we are interested in automatically re-using licenses from previous sessions
15:38:44 <joesteele> ... would like to see that in the spec somehow, seems more natural
15:38:57 <joesteele> joesteele: +1 -- this makes more sense to me
15:39:20 <joesteele> jdsmith: could send a message that says the key was added instead of sending a new key request
15:39:32 <joesteele> markw: have to convince David
15:40:15 <joesteele> jdsmith: one remaining issue was preventing use of persistent licenses
15:40:19 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
15:40:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-html-media-minutes.html paulc
15:40:30 <joesteele> Topic: EME Use cases Wiki
15:40:57 <joesteele> paulc: Joe you asked for more input after last meeting (22nd) was some feedback that occurred right before the meeting
15:41:13 <joesteele> joesteele: that was feedback from Mark -- in the wiki already
15:41:23 <paulc> David's response after the last meeting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2014Jul/0021.html
15:41:40 <joesteele> paulc: lot's of effort in the loadSession thread instead
15:41:57 <joesteele> ... if you followed the thread some corrections were made
15:43:52 <joesteele> joesteele: the Key Release section will change still - lot's of conversation going on still
15:44:17 <joesteele> ... request from Wayne Borean I do not think will result in a change but I still need to think about the response he sent and the fix he proposed
15:44:30 <joesteele> ... other use cases seem to be static
15:44:55 <joesteele> paulc: started this coming out of April meeting -- seemed to have helped focus some understanding a bit
15:45:02 <joesteele> ... which of the outstanding bugs might be related?
15:45:22 <joesteele> ... is the wiki content tagged with bugs?
15:45:30 <joesteele> joesteele: not as yet - do folks think that is useful?
15:45:53 <joesteele> paulc: maybe send an email making the connection between the bugs and the use cases to draw interest from the group
15:46:03 <joesteele> ... assume editors will make progress on these bugs
15:46:25 <joesteele> ... think we will end up with a core set of hard bugs that will map to the wiki
15:46:48 <joesteele> ... would like to know what that mapping is - maybe you have notes from the mtg that will help?
15:47:09 <joesteele> Topic: Chair and Scribe for next meeting
15:47:27 <joesteele> paulc: Tuesday next meeting I will be bass fishing -- can't make the meeting
15:47:35 <joesteele> ... should we skip the mtg next week?
15:48:03 <joesteele> ... would meet on August 12th
15:48:19 <joesteele> jdsmith: make senses -- good activity by email as well
15:48:37 <joesteele> paulc: let's keep that up -- anchoring the wiki material to the email will help as well
15:48:52 <joesteele> ... getting down to the core set of problems fairly soon
15:49:00 <joesteele> ... think we are done
15:49:01 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
15:49:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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15:49:12 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:49:13 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:49:14 <Zakim> -adrianba
15:49:15 <Zakim> -joesteele
15:49:16 <Zakim> -glenn
15:49:19 <Zakim> -jdsmith
15:49:24 <Zakim> -markw
15:49:25 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has ended
15:49:25 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], jdsmith, joesteele, markw, glenn, paulc, [Microsoft], adrianba
15:49:59 <joesteele> s/futur /future /
15:50:09 <joesteele> s/misset/mis-set/
15:50:36 <joesteele> s/of, waiting/of - waiting/
15:51:23 <joesteele> s/should not be controlled by the specification/should not be required by the specification/
15:51:32 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:51:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:51:59 <joesteele> s/using it that/using it - that/
15:52:01 <joesteele> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:52:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/29-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:53:22 <joesteele> Zakim, bye
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15:53:27 <joesteele> rrsagent, bye
15:53:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items